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[d taylor]

I reopened the poll so more people can vote.

I voted other

 

[AV1611VET]

To me the words "Adam was physically 20 years old" means "Adam existed physically for 20 years at that point."

I understand your pov.

You apparently have a different meaning for those words.

I do.

What do the words "Adam was physically 20 years old" mean to you?

It means he was in a state of being comparable to a 20 year old person.

He could walk, talk, sustain a job, get married, have children, and do anything else a normal 20 year old could do.

Does it mean his body--which had exited for one day--appeared to be that of a 20 year old person (minus the naval)?

I does.

And the reason "it appeared to be" is because it was.

Or does it mean something else?

Nope.

 

[AV1611VET]

I voted other

Thank you.

 

[Lost4words]

You are a dentist, and Adam comes in for a checkup, looking like he did the day he was created from the dust of the ground.

He lists his age as 20 years old, says he has never eaten yet, and you examine him.

Despite being 20 years old, you find no tooth decay whatsoever.

No stains, pits, plaque, chips, cavities, or gum disease.

How would you describe this?

I would describe it as a non McDonalds condition! He aint been in one!

 

[AV1611VET]

I would describe it as a non McDonalds condition! He aint been in one!

One dental assistant once told me she had a little girl come in for a cleaning, and her mother gave her cheese puffs to eat on the way!

 

[doubtingmerle]

It means he was in a state of being comparable to a 20 year old person.

He could walk, talk, sustain a job, get married, have children, and do anything else a normal 20 year old could do.

Ok, so when you say he had a physical age of 20, you mean he had a physical state comparable to a 20 year old person. Fine. But having a physical state comparable to a 20 year old person is not the same thing as physically being 20.

I know a teenager who reached maturity early. At 16 she had a body that looked 20. But just because she had the maturity of a 20 year old person, we didn't say she was 20. Likewise, if Adam existed for 1 day, and had the physical maturity of a 20 year old, he was 1 day old, not 20 years.

The difference between you and those who believe in the appearance of age is simply a matter of semantics. You say Adam existed 1 day, looked 20, and was 20. They say he existed 1 day, looked 20, and was 1 day old.

If it really happened, then, from an English language perspective, their wording is correct, not yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

I know a teenager who reached maturity early. At 16 she had a body that looked 20. But just because she had the maturity of a 20 year old person, we didn't say she was 20.

Did she GROW to be 16 years old?

Likewise, if Adam existed for 1 day, and had the physical maturity of a 20 year old, he was 1 day old, not 20 years.

In the case of Adam (and Eve) though, you have to clarify.

Yes, Adam existed for 1 day; and yes, that made Adam 1 day old.

EXISTENTIALLY

So to clarify:

Yes, Adam existed for 1 day; and yes, that made Adam 1 day old existentially.

The difference between you and those who believe in the appearance of age is simply a matter of semantics.

It depends on why they believe in the appearance of Adam's age.

Do they believe it because Adam WAS 20, or do they believe it because Adam ONLY LOOKED 20?

You say Adam existed 1 day, looked 20, and was 20.

Absolutely correct!

I'm impressed -- (I really am).

God answers prayer!

They say he existed 1 day, looked 20, and was 1 day old.

But not physically.

Go to any maternity ward and look at the 1 day olds.

Are they ready for marriage?

If it really happened, then, from an English language perspective, their wording is correct, not yours.

Only if they clarify that Adam was 1 day old existentially.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Did she GROW to be 16 years old?



In the case of Adam (and Eve) though, you have to clarify.

Yes, Adam existed for 1 day; and yes, that made Adam 1 day old.

EXISTENTIALLY

So to clarify:

Yes, Adam existed for 1 day; and yes, that made Adam 1 day old existentially.



It depends on why they believe in the appearance of Adam's age.

Do they believe it because Adam WAS 20, or do they believe it because Adam ONLY LOOKED 20?



Absolutely correct!

I'm impressed -- (I really am).

God answers prayer!



But not physically.

Go to any maternity ward and look at the 1 day olds.

Are they ready for marriage?



Only if they clarify that Adam was 1 day old existentially.

If Adam is 1 day old, is it correct to say he is 20 years old? That depends on what the meaning of "is" is? If "is" in that sentence means "is" then no, it is a lie to say he is 20 years old. He is one day old.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Adam is 1 day old, is it correct to say he is 20 years old?

For Adam? yes

A better wording of your question is:

If Adam was 1 day old existentially, is it correct to say he was 20 or 30 years old physically?

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is?

Nope.

That depends on what the meaning of "old" was.

If "is" in that sentence means "is" then no, it is a lie to say he is 20 years old.

Then let's make it "was."

He is one day old.

Existentially.

 

[doubtingmerle]

If Adam was 1 day old existentially, is it correct to say he was 20 or 30 years old physically?

What does it even mean when you say Adam is 20 or 30 years old physically when he had existed 1 day? Are you even saying anything?

Let me ask you a question. Was Adam 20 years old zzyxly? You cannot answer that unless you know what I mean when I use the word zzyxly.

Likewise, I have no idea if Adam was 20 years old "physically" as you define it, because I don't know what you mean by "20 years old physically".

 

[AV1611VET]

What does it even mean when you say Adam is 20 or 30 years old physically when he had existed 1 day?

It simply means that, when his FIRST birthday comes up, he gets a cake with either 21 or 31 candles in it.

Are you even saying anything?

I'm saying plenty.

Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Let me ask you a question.

K

Was Adam 20 years old zzyxly? You cannot answer that unless you know what I mean when I use the word zzyxly.

You'd better let me know it means "physically," if you want me to answer you correctly.

Likewise, I have no idea if Adam was 20 years old "physically" as you define it, because I don't know what you mean by "20 years old physically".

Can God create a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age?

 

[doubtingmerle]

It simply means that, when his FIRST birthday comes up, he gets a cake with either 21 or 31 candles in it.

Ah, so it simply means that, although Adam was actually 1 day old, somebody decided he would call him 20 years old and put 20 candles on his birthday cake.

Move along folks. There is nothing to see here. AV is just making it up that Adam is 20, and admits he is just making it up.

 

[dlamberth]

Other

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, so it simply means that, although Adam was actually 1 day old, somebody decided he would call him 20 years old and put 20 candles on his birthday cake.

Move along folks. There is nothing to see here. AV is just making it up that Adam is 20, and admits he is just making it up.

I only use 20 or 30 as an example.

Adam was as old as God willed him to be.

To paraphrase Bruce Lee:

Don't focus on the number itself, or you'll miss all that heavenly glory.

 

[AV1611VET]

Other

Thank you for voting.

Adam's age at his death is never given, like the rest of them are.

He is only said to have lived 930 years.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

For all the others, it says how old they were when they died.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I only use 20 or 30 as an example.

Adam was as old as God willed him to be.

To paraphrase Bruce Lee:

Don't focus on the number itself, or you'll miss all that heavenly glory.

Exactly. Adam existed 1 day. Therefore he was 1 day old.

But you say God willed to call him 20 or 30 years old, even though he was 1 day old. Its simply a number God pulled out of his hat. 25 years! Fine. Let's tell people he is 25 years old. But it means nothing. Its just a made up number.

That's called lying.

Likewise, if the Earth is 6000 years old, and somebody says it is millions of years old, that is lying.

 

[doubtingmerle]

After the first half the existing score of the Eagles/Giants game is 28 - 0. If a Giants fan tells you they existentially scored zero points and physically scored 31 points, that person is lying.

Go Eagles!

 

[AV1611VET]

Exactly. Adam existed 1 day. Therefore he was 1 day old.

That is correct -- existentially.

But you say God willed to call him 20 or 30 years old,

I did not.

I said Adam was as old as God willed him to be.

20, 30, 55, 80 -- it doesn't matter.

... even though he was 1 day old.

That is correct -- existentially.

Its simply a number God pulled out of his hat.

No need to get sacrilegious about it.

25 years! Fine. Let's tell people he is 25 years old.

If the number confuses you, just He is as old as God willed him to be.

But it means nothing. Its just a made up number.

Correct.

I just made it up for clarification and differentiation.

That's called lying.

That's called clarification and differentiation.

Or, if you prefer: Occam's razor.

Likewise, if the Earth is 6000 years old, and somebody says it is millions of years old, that is lying.

Negative.

 

[AV1611VET]

After the first half the existing score of the Eagles/Giants game is 28 - 0.

K

If a Giants fan tells you they existentially scored zero points and physically scored 31 points, that person is lying.

K

Go Eagles!

K

 

[doubtingmerle]

20, 30, 55, 80 -- it doesn't matter.

Must I repeat this for every possible number?

If Adam is 1 day old, and somebody puts 20 candles on his cake and says he is 20, that person is lying.

If Adam is 1 day old, and somebody puts 80 candles on his cake and says he is 80, that person is lying.

Or, more generally:

If Adam is 1 day old, and somebody puts n candles on his cake and says he is n, that person is lying (unless, of course, that person puts 0 candles on the cake.)

Got it?