This is the most heavily moderated forum I've ever been involved with. I'm regularly surprised with warnings that I receive. I've never ever had warnings ever elsewhere.
Yeah we aren't supposed to talk about it but I've regularly faced warnings for posts that are either extremely common and go unremoved when reported....or so unbelievably benign I was surprised I was facing a warning for it.
Us non Christians are treated like second class citizens here, hearded up into a very small section of the forum, not allowed to talk about specific topics, not allowed to even challenge any Christian beliefs, and we seem to have to hold certain things in high regard and as special otherwise we get warned for those as well. Anyway, yeah, not a lot of topics we can talk about here.
Right and I try to look at it from their perspective.
They got on the internet around the same time as everyone else. These discussion forums were set up so Christians of multiple faiths could share and discuss their beliefs with each other....and hey, if some non-Christians want to come in and see what it's all about, why not?
Then here comes this horde of atheists who descended upon these sites and endlessly attacked every belief, often deliberately mean or mocking, and sometimes vicious. All things considered, I'm surprised it went on as long as it did. We were high fiving each other because we didn't even know how many other atheists there were.
I get why our participation is limited...even if it's clearly a double standard. It's a series of steps towards no longer discussing their beliefs. Ok. I can understand the reaction. Think of how many pews were emptying over the same time. I know a lot of atheists who seemed like good, kind people who left. I'd rather stay if only as a reminder we still exist. Ideological bubbles have a tendency to promote the idea that far more people agree with you than in reality. Unchallenged beliefs tend to be weak in the face of challenges. There's some small value in staying even if I'm only allowed in 1 space only to speak my mind with no one...as long as they can see it.
As far as I understand it there is already a large prominent set of groups in USA, some front row and centre on popular media channels taking up the fight for white people. You are not really being a lone promoter of white issues in USA.
Yeah I'm not sure we're understanding each other....right? Because I don't know what "white issues" are. I'm talking about racism.
The same old fashioned "we judge you according to your skin color racism" that has existed in this country for so long. It's always included things like moral judgements. These people are lazy....those people are greedy....those people too promiscuous....and so on.
Whenever this has popped up....reared it's ugly head....I was always on the side against it. I still am. I haven't changed my position on the issue of racism. The party that I used to think agreed with me...changed it's position in a very large way. They tried to redefine racism. They tried to reinvent racism.
You'd agree with that....right?
Many on the right are worried about the poor whites or the poor Christians,
I don't identify with the right. I care just as much about the poor of this nation, regardless of race or creed, as I have in the past. I don't see either party agreeing with me on this point anymore.
espite the fact that USA is dominated by white Christians, all most all parts of USA is controlled and dominated by white Christians.
What does that mean in your mind? Controlled and dominated?
When all I see are threads from you on White issues, then I slot you into this White culture (I understand you are not a Christian).
I think you can more accurately characterize it as Western culture or if you prefer, classic liberalism. I however, have begun to question whether some of these ideas were a bit naive....even if they were idealistic.
I do this because that is all I see from you. Poor whites on this topic, poor whites on this incident. Very rarely have I seen you speak about any other topic.
Did you complain when the NYT mentioned white supremacy 400+ times in a year? We agree that the choices of discussion are limited. I can point out posts on different topics if you want. I don't make many threads....so for the most part, I'm simply joining a discussion in progress.
I made a thread about abortion in general around the time of the Kavanaugh hearing that was removed for violation so fast it didn't exceed 2 pages. I didn't actually endorse any positions...I introduced a topic of discussion. This apparently, can be construed as endorsement though...so I accepted that. I figured they simply didn't want to discuss abortion....and I'm ok with that. When you consider how many posts on the topic have been made since Roe got overturned....maybe they're changing their position and allowing more discussion. Regardless....I'm staying away.
In my view, of course there are issues against whites. I for one am not a proponent of affirmative action. BUT, I think there are so many issues in society, that this issue is certainly not the top issue, not even close to the top issue.
What's the top issue in your mind?
I find it very weird that this has seemed to be the only topic a poster has been posting about, creating thread after thread after thread on only this topic.
I get that. There's a poster who would regularly post (not much anymore) in News and Current Events on racism towards black people. Anything...no matter how small....or even debunked, was a new thread. People would argue with this poster (myself included) and eventually....they would make the same accusations you're leveling at me.
You post about this too much.
And in those cases...I defended them. It's discussion forum after all. You don't have to participate. Do you expect others to create forums that you're interested in?
And what are the dates of my last 3 threads? I don't think I create these threads as often as you think. Is it possible that because we hold different positions that these posts are causing a sort of....over valuation in your mind?
I'd be fine if I saw you posting other topics, and siding with non whites once in a while.
Pretty sure I came out firmly against Derek Chauvin. I don't know if there's a significant incident between 2020 and now that doesn't have any clear comparison to that. I didn't side against Chauvin or for Floyd because of their skin color though. I wouldn't actually side with anyone over skin color unless I was forced to....but that's not a realistic scenario in my lifetime.
But anyway, I am liking that you are in this thread here, talking about a different topic.
This is what I get from the tone of pretty much all threads I have seen you create, and pretty much all posts (except for this one) that I have seen you post in.
I can understand why if I make arguments against the left....it seems like I'm on the right. I'm really not. I agree generally on some issues, disagree on others. The propensity towards Christianity means I will almost inevitably disagree strongly on some issues....so there's no point in standing in some imaginary solidarity with them.
The group that is really the only group I despise to the degree of a visceral sense of hatred, disgust, or loathing is....moralizers.
I don't even hate racists as much as a person who wants to impose some moral positions on me. I've seen Black Israelites....I've heard what they say to passing white people. I get why it can be shocking....it looks kind of funny after awhile. It's just words...they're trying hard to provoke... they want a reaction. I don't hate them even if they hate me.
For most of my life....moralizers were Christians. They might show up at my door on Saturday and they can easily be dismissed by saying "not interested". They might cobble together a political platform that seeks to impose a religious moral belief....but I don't always disagree. They may find it an affront to God to teach children about sex and gender at an early age....I'm simply concerned about bad science, activist driven propaganda, and the likelihood of significant harm.
You know what I've never seen though?
I've never seen droves of Christians in the streets, wearing masks, beating people with signs or chains, bottles, or otherwise trying to deny them their freedoms. For the most part they simply don't want to be forced to adopt someone else's moral dictates in contrast to their own. I'm fully able to accept that...even if I disagree. We can live side by side doing our own thing. They show no inclination to do something like....impose upon my speech or remove me from my job for wrongthink. They've become a very live and let live group that will debate the value of an idea. Sure, there's some troubling groups....there some loose bolts.....but nothing worse than ever before.
Compared to the left? The modern left has as far as I can tell....abandoned all values and almost constantly seeks to impose a nebulous shifting morality on any possible target. What do they possibly have to offer you that you would put up with that? Do you not feel entitled to your beliefs, values, opinions, etc? If my choices are between a mildly annoying group of moralizers willing to leave me be....and arguably the worst people who seem to imagine themselves hovering above me on some cloud of moral righteousness but couldn't string together a cogent position even if I taught them how....
Yeah. You're going to see me arguing for the Christians or the right. I tend to be a pragmatic person on these "lesser of 2 evils" issues. I can't understand why anyone would advance the agenda of people who literally devalue your worth because of the color of your skin.