Saturday or Sunday Church?

[ozso]

When was it first spoken of.

So you don't know and neither does the church you follow?
And I seriously doubt the Orthodox church teaches that Luke 22:20 was the first time the New Covenant was spoken as you have attested.

As was stated Jeremiah 31:31 was not the first time the New Covenant was spoken. And it has nothing to do with my satisfaction. But all to do with what the Word of God says.

So where in the Word of God did our Lord and Savior first give the New Covenant? Because there we will find what Laws are part of it. What Laws are to be in our hearts.

Since neither of us follow your doctrine, you can't really expect either of us to figure out what you're getting at, or where you're going with this. So it would be best if you just spoke forthright, rather than dragging this out several more posts.

 

[HIM]

Worship for God is everyday. Rest or sabbath is something we must also do, for the Lord rested and we should as well. The point is to rest. Legalism has no place in the liberty we have in Christ. The most important question is how are we putting faith in action. Let's not get tied up in judging others devotion and faith.

Why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. Romans 14:10

You are misapplying Romans 14. The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:1 And receive him who is weak in the belief, not criticising his thoughts.
Rom 14:1 Receive one that is weak in the faith, not for disputes over opinions.
Rom 14:1 But accept those who are weak in faith, without disputing about ideas.
Rom 14:1 Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Worship for God is everyday. Rest or sabbath is something we must also do, for the Lord rested and we should as well. The point is to rest. Legalism has no place in the liberty we have in Christ. The most important question is how are we putting faith in action. Let's not get tied up in judging others devotion and faith.

Why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. Romans 14:10

Is it legalism of God to ask us not to murder or commit adultery, or worship other gods, or do you just apply this to the 4th commandment?

Do you think God wants us to be lazy on His holy Sabbath day, or does rest meant to rest in Him by having communion with our Lord and Savior on His holy day.

These are what the scriptures say, so I think we ought to obey God and teach others to do so as well which is what Jesus asked of us. Matthew 5:19

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

We should worship God everyday, but if we kept the Sabath the way God commanded us everyday, we would all be broke and homeless which is not God's intent as He asked us to work six days Exodus 20:9, the seventh day is God's holy day that He commanded us to keep holy too.

 

[HIM]

Since neither of us follow your doctrine, you can't really expect either of us to figure out what you're getting at, or where you're going with this. So it would be best if you just spoke forthright, rather than dragging this out several more posts.

My doctrine? No it is the Word of God.
No what was expected was for you to search the Scriptures. But since you have all the answers; you don't?

It is best if one finds rather than be told.

 

[HIM]

Okay where before Jeremiah is the term "New Covenant" spoken of? Because that was your question.

No the question was where was the New Covenant first spoken not term.

It is in Deuteronomy

 

[ozso]

You are misapplying Romans 14. The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:1 And receive him who is weak in the belief, not criticising his thoughts.
Rom 14:1 Receive one that is weak in the faith, not for disputes over opinions.
Rom 14:1 But accept those who are weak in faith, without disputing about ideas.
Rom 14:1 Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:1-10

 

[ozso]

My doctrine? No it is the Word of God.
No what was expected was for you to search the Scriptures. But since you have all the answers; you don't?

It is best if one finds rather than be told.

It's best if one is just forthright and to the point.

 

[HIM]

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:1-10

As was said The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

 

[ozso]

No the question was where was the New Covenant first spoken not term.

It is in Deuteronomy

Are you just trying to trip people up first to tell them they're wrong and then supply what's supposed to be the right answer? Whatever you're doing it isn't the same as discussions I have with most other Christians.

 

[ozso]

As was said The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

Again, what is your point? That we're not supposed to have opinions, thoughts, and ideas?

 

[HIM]

It's best if one is just forthright and to the point.

No. It is best if one sees it themselves.

It is in Deut29-30

Again, what is your point? That we're not supposed to have opinions, thoughts, and ideas?

The context is not over the Word of God but men's opinions and ideas formulated outside of what was written. Because The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

 

[HIM]

Are you just trying to trip people up first to tell them they're wrong and then supply what's supposed to be the right answer? Whatever you're doing it isn't the same as discussions I have with most other Christians.

Are we to be students of the Word or a student of what others say of the Word?

 

[ozso]

No. It is best if one sees it themselves.

It is in Deut29-30




The context is not over the Word of God but men's opinions and ideas formulated outside of what was written. Because The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

The way most Christians likely see it, is it's about Christians not passing judgement upon each other regarding personal beliefs. It's a cross-reference to Colossians 2:16. See, that's me being forthright and to the point, rather than trying to be cryptic and or esoteric.

 

[ozso]

Are we to be students of the Word or a student of what others say of the Word?

As students of the Bible we should discuss what the Bible says in a normal straightforward manner. When I'm unable to figure out what someone is getting at, that's usually not happening on their end.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The way most Christians likely see it, is it's about Christians not passing judgement upon each other regarding personal beliefs. It's a cross-reference to Colossians 2:16. See, that's me being forthright and to the point, rather than trying to be cryptic and or esoteric.

It is a cross reference and neither one is about the seventh day Sabbath. There are more than one sabbath in the scriptures, one is written by the finger of God, the others are handwritten and is an ordinance in the law of Moses. Colossians 2:14 gives the context which of these is being talked about.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are misapplying Romans 14. The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:1 And receive him who is weak in the belief, not criticising his thoughts.
Rom 14:1 Receive one that is weak in the faith, not for disputes over opinions.
Rom 14:1 But accept those who are weak in faith, without disputing about ideas.
Rom 14:1 Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.

Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Actually from Adam & Eve all the way to Noah after the flood man was to eat vegetables not meat.

Genesis 1:29-30

Noah was the first permitted to eat meat after the flood.

Genesis 9:3-4

 

[BNR32FAN]

As was said The Sabbath is not mention. And the context is not in relation to the Word of God but men's opinions, thoughts, and ideas. This is emphasized by the fact that No where in scripture is it stated that we should only eat herbs. Which is discussed in verse 2.

Paul said that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord in Romans 14 and he also said that we don’t have to observe the Sabbath days in Colossians 2:16. Your saying that we do have to observe a certain day for The Lord and we do have to observe the Sabbath. I would expect that if we were still required to observe a certain day for The Lord and we still have to observe the Saturday Sabbath that he would’ve mentioned that if that was his intention so as to be clear and avoid confusion.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Paul said that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord in Romans 14 and he also said that we don’t have to observe the Sabbath days in Colossians 1:16. Your saying that we do have to observe a certain day for The Lord and we do have to observe the Sabbath. I would expect that if we were still required to observe a certain day for The Lord and we still have to observe the Saturday Sabbath that he would’ve mentioned that if that was his intention so as to be clear and avoid confusion.

Yes, this is a standard argument from silence. It is not unlike the four Marian dogmas of the Catholic Church, none of which have clear biblical backing. One must resort to theological rationalizing in order to substantiate church attendance on Saturday only.

 

[ozso]

Paul said that we don’t have to observe a certain day for The Lord in Romans 14 and he also said that we don’t have to observe the Sabbath days in Colossians 1:16. Your saying that we do have to observe a certain day for The Lord and we do have to observe the Sabbath. I would expect that if we were still required to observe a certain day for The Lord and we still have to observe the Saturday Sabbath that he would’ve mentioned that if that was his intention so as to be clear and avoid confusion.

Especially since it's supposed to be such a huge problem that's existed throughout virtually all Christianity for 2000 years.

But I suppose the explanation for that is God purposely didn't allow a direct statement from the Apostles, so that only a small remnant would figure it out 1900 years later.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Especially since it's supposed to be such a huge problem that's existed throughout virtually all Christianity for 2000 years.

But I suppose the explanation for that is God purposely didn't allow a direct statement from the Apostles, so that only a small remnant would figure it out 1900 years later.

Or maybe the ambiguity of it would lead us to more study of His word in search of answers when at the same time it really didn’t matter either way so long as we love and honor Him.