Saturday or Sunday Church?

[HIM]

Then how many Mitzvahs?

God.

Based on Christian orthodoxy I'd say Luke 22:20. Probably from your pov Jeremiah 31:31.

No and no

 

[BNR32FAN]

It’s okay to be wrong, but it becomes dangerous when we are so closed off to the Truth and refuse to look at the context of the scriptures. This is the unpardonable sin when we are so closed off we grieve the Holy Spirit, that the Spirit can’t lead us to His Truth.

I don’t feel like I’ve done this because I acknowledged my mistake the first time Deuteronomy 4-5 was presented to me. Of course I’ve read it before but sometimes when your reading the scriptures not looking for a specific answer to a particular question you can miss details that shed light on those questions. That’s why each time read thru the scriptures the more we learn about them because more and more fine details are being revealed to us each time and when that new information is attained when we start from the beginning again we start to see more details supporting those details we learned previously that we didn’t notice before. I’m confident that there’s more information contained in the scriptures that I don’t know than I do know.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don’t feel like I’ve done this because I acknowledged my mistake the first time Deuteronomy 4-5 was presented to me. Of course I’ve read it before but sometimes when your reading the scriptures not looking for a specific answer to a particular question you can miss details that shed light on those questions. That’s why each time read thru the scriptures the more we learn about them because more and more fine details are being revealed to us each time and when that new information is attained when we start from the beginning again we start to see more details supporting those details we learned previously that we didn’t notice before. I’m confident that there’s more information the scriptures that I don’t know than I do know.

Sorry, I was speaking in general, not about you. It applies to all of us.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then how many Mitzvahs?

God.

Based on Christian orthodoxy I'd say Luke 22:20. Probably from your pov Jeremiah 31:31.

Personally I think the New Covenant begin with Christ’s ministry. I think that baptism is one of the first signs of the New Covenant coming into effect.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Matt5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Gal3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

You are conflating two different things that are not related. The law is a general term and we have to read context to what it is referring to.

In Matthew 5:17 Fulfill does not mean the opposite of what Jesus just said, I did not come to destroy (end) and that is not in context with the passage, or the prediction of what Jesus would do with God's law.

Fulfill means to fill-full.

For example, when one fulfills their wedding covenant does that mean they are free to commit adultery or does that mean they are fulfilling their wedding covenant by being faithful. This is what Jesus is talking about- we are to fulfill the law by keeping it- If you love Me, keep My commandments- John 14:15

Which is why the rest of the passage in Matthew 5 does not fit your context that we are free to commit sin now.

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Does Jesus say He has fulfilled the law that we can commit murder or adultery now? Of course not, He is magnifying God's law as predicted Isaiah 42:21 which means to make greater, not smaller. And notice this verse:

Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What commandments is Jesus talking about? The Ten, so I would consider these Words from our precious Savior.

 

[HIM]

Personally I think the New Covenant begin with Christ’s ministry. I think that baptism is one of the first signs of the New Covenant coming into effect.

True; but it was asked when was the covenant first given because there it is stated what laws were to be and are in our hearts.

 

[HIM]

Then how many Mitzvahs?

God.

Based on Christian orthodoxy I'd say Luke 22:20. Probably from your pov Jeremiah 31:31.

Of the New not the New. It is the means to the end to which the Law, His word through His Spirit is put in our hearts. For the vessels, us must first be cleansed as were all the vessels and people for the ministry of the Old were before God used them.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 

[Servus]

No and no

Perhaps and maybe with a dash cryptic.

 

[HIM]

Then how many Mitzvahs?

God.

Based on Christian orthodoxy I'd say Luke 22:20. Probably from your pov Jeremiah 31:31.

Jeremiah 31:31 is not the first time God spoke the New Covenant.
It might have been new to the people; hence Jeremiah calling it new. But that was only due to hardness of their hearts and minds.

 

[BNR32FAN]

True; but it was asked when was the covenant first given because there it is stated what laws were to be and are in our hearts.

The law is written in our hearts as we come to Christ. I think that can be a complex question depending on who we’re referring to and if we’re taking about the beginning of the process or the end of it. Jesus came to usher in the New Covenant. I think an argument could be made that John the Baptist could’ve been the beginning of that process during the biblical times. Christ’s messages during His ministry were definitely revealing the changes of the New Covenant and His expectations during His ministry seem to imply that His teachings were already in effect at that time. I don’t get the feeling that what He was teaching was something to come but something that He Himself was revealing that was to be observed at that particular time while He was teaching. As for the laws written on our heart I think that process was already taking place with His disciples as He was ministering to them.

 

[Servus]

Of the New not the New. It is the means to the end to which the Law, His word through His Spirit is put in our hearts. For the vessels, us must first be cleansed as were all the vessels and people for the ministry of the Old were before God used them.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Yeah that's the same as Luke 22:20, except in Luke the actual word "covenant" is used in more translations.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
Heb 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Other than the sprinkling of animal blood being a symbolic prelude to the shed blood of the Son of God for the remission of sin, is there something else you're trying to get at?

 

[Servus]

Jeremiah 31:31 is not the first time God spoke the New Covenant.
It might have been new to the people; hence Jeremiah calling it new. But that was only due to hardness of their hearts and minds.

What are you getting at? What is your point?

 

[HIM]

What are you getting at? What is your point?

Are you ok?
That Jeremiah 31:31 is not the first time God spoke the New Covenant.
It might have been new to the people; hence Jeremiah calling it new. But that was only due to hardness of their hearts and minds.

 

[HIM]

Yeah that's the same as Luke 22:20, except in Luke the actual word "covenant" is used in more translations.

Other than the sprinkling of animal blood being a symbolic prelude to the shed blood of the Son of God for the remission of sin, is there something else you're trying to get at?

That God clearly shows the cup is not the New covenant.

 

[HIM]

The law is written in our hearts as we come to Christ. I think that can be a complex question depending on who we’re referring to and if we’re taking about the beginning of the process or the end of it. Jesus came to usher in the New Covenant. I think an argument could be made that John the Baptist could’ve been the beginning of that process during the biblical times. Christ’s messages during His ministry were definitely revealing the changes of the New Covenant and His expectations during His ministry seem to imply that His teachings were already in effect at that time. I don’t get the feeling that what He was teaching was something to come but something that He Himself was revealing that was to be observed at that particular time while He was teaching. As for the laws written on our heart I think that process was already taking place with His disciples as He was ministering to them.

When was the New Covenant first spoke of?

 

[Servus]

That God clearly shows the cup is not the New covenant.

You didn't ask what the new covenant is, you asked when it was spoken of.

 

[Servus]

When was the New Covenant first spoke of?

Are you looking for an orthodox answer or an unorthodox answer only you are able to answer to your own satisfaction?

 

[wendykvw]

Christ rose on Easter Sunday and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all four books you can find clearly teach that Christ rose the first day of the week, now the Gregorian calendar and the romish calendar have never had a mistake and always Sunday is the first day of the week but above that point God has preserved the Jews and they have never lost track of the seventh day Sabbath or what they call in Hebrew "Rosh Chodesh" which is the head of the month/the first day of each month which is called the new moon, traditionalism is why people attend Church on Sunday, so the true biblical day to attend church is Saturday.

God spoke six days, it was created and on the seventh day God say's remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy, it's God's Word.

Worship for God is everyday. Rest or sabbath is something we must also do, for the Lord rested and we should as well. The point is to rest. Legalism has no place in the liberty we have in Christ. The most important question is how are we putting faith in action. Let's not get tied up in judging others devotion and faith.

Why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. Romans 14:10

 

[HIM]

You didn't ask what the new covenant was, you asked when it was spoken of.

When was it first spoken of.

Are you looking for an orthodox answer or an unorthodox answer only you are able to answer to your own satisfaction?

So you don't know and neither does the church you follow?
And I seriously doubt the Orthodox church teaches that Luke 22:20 was the first time the New Covenant was spoken as you have attested.

As was stated Jeremiah 31:31 was not the first time the New Covenant was spoken. And it has nothing to do with my satisfaction. But all to do with what the Word of God says.

So where in the Word of God did our Lord and Savior first give the New Covenant? Because there we will find what Laws are part of it. What Laws are to be in our hearts.

 

[Servus]

Are you ok?
That Jeremiah 31:31 is not the first time God spoke the New Covenant.
It might have been new to the people; hence Jeremiah calling it new. But that was only due to hardness of their hearts and minds.

Okay where before Jeremiah is the term "New Covenant" spoken of? Because that was your question.