Teach Them to Be Keeping ALL.

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(CLV) Mt 28:19
Going, then, disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

(CLV) Mt 28:20
teaching them to be keeping all, whatever I direct you. And lo! I am with you all the days till the conclusion of the eon! Amen!"
Whatever I direct you?
This implies what to you Hark?
 
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Amen. Why the difference in the translation though. I like the the CLV always have. But there I wonder if they chose correctly

The CLV is a very good literal translation; but I have caught mistakes.

Which part of the translation do you question?
 
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Here you go, my man...

Deuteronomy 23:1 No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off may enter the assembly of the LORD.

Acts 8:38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

We need to look at verse 23:1 in context.

(CLV) Dt 23:1
Not one emasculated by crushing or having his penis cut off shall come into the assembly of Yahweh.

(CLV) Dt 23:2
Not bastard shall come into the assembly of Yahweh. Even the tenth generation ›from him may not come into the assembly of Yahweh.

(CLV) Dt 23:3
No Ammonite or Moabite shall come into the assembly of Yahweh. Even the tenth generation from them shall not come into the assembly of Yahweh for the eon,

Notice that this command pertains to an interval. Why would that be?


(CLV) Dt 23:4
on the score that they did not succor you with bread and with water along the main road when you came forth from Egypt and that they hired against you Balaam son of Beor, from Pethor, Aram-naharaim, to maledict you.

It pertains to an interval in relationship with Moses leaving Egypt.

Let's look a little deeper.

This is what YHWH tells Isaiah:

(CLV) Isa 56:3
Let not the son of the foreigner say, The proselyte who has joined himself to Yahweh, saying: Yahweh shall separate, yea separate me from on His people; And let not the eunuch say: Behold, I am a dry tree.

(CLV) Isa 56:4
For thus says Yahweh: To the eunuchs who are keeping My sabbaths, And who choose that in which I delight, And are holding fast to My covenant,

(CLV) Isa 56:5
I will give to them, in My house and within My walls, hand and name; Better than sons and daughters, I shall give to them a name eonian which shall not be cut off.

So was the Torah abolished during the time of Isaiah? Was the Torah abolished before Yahshua walked the earth? If this is so; what is this covenant that YHWH speaks of in verse 56:4? Did YHWH make a new lawless covenant with Isaiah? If this is so; why was Yahshua's ministry a ministry of repentance?
 
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Has repentance replaced sacrifice, then? Again, honest question. How do you see it?

Sacrifice was never a substitution for repentance; and it is not to this day.

(CLV) Hb 10:26
For at our sinning voluntarily after obtaining the recognition of the truth, it is no longer leaving a sacrifice concerned with sins,

(CLV) Hb 10:27
but a certain fearful waiting for judging and fiery jealousy, about to be eating the hostile.

(CLV) Hb 10:28
Anyone repudiating Moses' law is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

(CLV) Hb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?

These are very sobering verses.
 
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Hi @HARK! and everybody,

I had some difficulty accessing the site Friday and Saturday. Maybe everybody did.

Sundays are usually busy for me with church and family stuff.

I hope to pick up our discussion on Monday with renewed vim and vigor. Or at least vim.
 
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We're not talking about Isaiah. We're talking about Yahshua.

This seems pretty straightforward to me.:

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

When you get a chance, HARK, you should watch this presentation by Nehemia Gordon of the Hebrew (Shem Tov) version of Matthew 5:19.

Video Description: (Run Time 44:43)
Hebrew Gospel Pearls - Matthew 5:19
 
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I Thank our Savior for fulling the Law so that we don't have to worry if we are fit to enter the assembly or do any of the old covenant ritual rules. Everyone and that includes the Ammonites and Moabites are welcome to congregate and worship God anytime.

Yes, Jesus fulfilled every aspect of what He came to do. Now we patiently await His return. Come Lord Jesus.
 
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When you get a chance, HARK, you should watch this presentation by Nehemia Gordon of the Hebrew (Shem Tov) version of Matthew 5:19.

Video Description: (Run Time 44:43)
Hebrew Gospel Pearls - Matthew 5:19

Makes sense. That rendering would better align with verse 20.

Did you watch the "+" episode? I didn't see a link for it.
 
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Do you think that any of Yahshua's directions are a thing of the past; or are they all eternal?
Some of them are rather clearly in the past. The Law of Moses, for example:

But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Despite the desperate histrionics we see, and no doubt will continue to see, this is a clear, unambiguous declaration that the Law of Moses is behind us.
 
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If we play fast and loose with what was actually said, and replace it with what we think; we can make the scripture conform to our wills.
You could use this line of reasoning to undermine all use of metaphor in scripture - clearly not a workable position.

We have been through this over and over. There is clear scriptural precedent for the use of "cosmic end-of-the-word" imagery to refer to events in the here-and-now. And some of those events have indeed already occurred. Not to mention the fact that in extra-Biblical Jewish writings, we see the very same pattern - use of such language as a metaphor for socio-political change in the here and now.

It appears that, in the face of such compelling evidence, all the naysayers can do is effectively to insist that all Biblical texts are to be taken literally. Let the reader judge how tenable that is.
 
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Makes sense. That rendering would better align with verse 20.

Paul makes a similar statement in 1 Corinthians 3:17 without mention of the Torah, (but it is clearly related to lawlessness).

Did you watch the "+" episode? I didn't see a link for it.

No, I did not, it's posted on the Nehemia's Wall website along with that video, (Another Jesus? - Hebrew Gospel Pearls - NehemiasWall.com), but one must become a subscriber to watch the plus videos. From what was said in the video I posted, near the end, I gather that the information he found, which is in the plus video, is probably even much more compelling.
 
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You could use this line of reasoning to undermine all use of metaphor in scripture - clearly not a workable position.

You could also use that line of reasoning to undermine every word of YHWH.
 
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25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

What is faith?

I'm not talking about some abstract Greek Philosophical notion of what it might mean in the imagination.

I'm talking about in the concrete Hebrew mindset.

Let's take Paul's words, he who is not our Messiah, and harmonize them with the words of Messiah. Messiah's words are YHWH's words.
 
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Therefore all has not been fulfilled.
True! But... When Jesus says Till all should be occurring, does he mean every single possible thing, or just all those things related to Torah and Heaven and Earth passing by?

Similar to the way someone who's preparing dinner might say Everything's ready.

If Jesus means every possible thing, that's basically saying that the law will never change. In that case, it would make more sense to say One iota or one serif will never be passing by from the law. Unless, of course, Jesus is being intentionally cryptic.
 
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