Teach Them to Be Keeping ALL.

[HARK!]

Can we sin and be in Jesus? Sure, James says we all stumble in many ways. It's what you do about the stumbling that counts imo.

Yahshua doesn't stumble.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:6
he who is saying that he is remaining in Him ought also himself to be walking according as He walks.

We don't stumble in him. When we stumble; we stumble out of him. We stumble off the path that leads to the mark. We are missing the mark. We are off the target, strayed from the right direction.

I would suggest reading the gospel of Ezekiel 18.

In summary, if the sinner repents; all of his sins will be forgotten. He will live.

Conversely, if the righteous man sins; all of his righteous deeds will be forgotten. He will die.

Hopefully this man will repent as soon as possible.

Yah can take us at any time. I pray that I'm in Yahshua when that time comes for me.

 

[HARK!]

That's cool, I'll ask a slightly different question:

Are you saying that prior to the cross, an Israelite who truly repented wasn't obligated by the law of Moses to kill any animals?

You would do well the read this potion of my study: YHWH's Table (Part 5)

This post will be useful too: Blood Sacrifice

 

[HARK!]

What is the meaning of it? Probably some kind of cleanliness ritual.

Why are there cleanliness rituals in the law? I don't know. Sometimes they seem to have health benefits we can identify today, sometimes they just seem to be about keeping the Israelites separate from other nations.

(CLV) Lv 12:6
When the days of her cleansing are full, for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring a year-old he-lamb as an ascent offering and a dove squab or a turtledove as a sin offering to the priest at the opening of the tent of appointment.

Sin?

 

[Leaf473]

Yahshua doesn't stumble.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:6
he who is saying that he is remaining in Him ought also himself to be walking according as He walks.

We don't stumble in him. When we stumble; we stumble out of him. We stumble off the path that leads to the mark. We are missing the mark. We are off the target, strayed from the right direction.

I would suggest reading the gospel of Ezekiel 18.

In summary, if the sinner repents; all of his sins will be forgotten. He will live.

Conversely, if the righteous man sins; all of his righteous deeds will be forgotten. He will die.

Hopefully this man will repent as soon as possible.

Yah can take us at any time. I pray that I'm in Yahshua when that time comes for me.

I was thinking in the sense of: By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.

I don't think we get baptized into the body, fall back out, get baptized back in, etc.

But definitely, we all waiver on and off the path.

 

[Leaf473]

You would do well the read this potion of my study: YHWH's Table (Part 5)

This post will be useful too: Blood Sacrifice

I found this:

(CLV) Lv 5:8
He will bring them to the priest who will bring near the one for the sin offering first. The priest will pinch off its head toward its nape yet shall not separate it.

So, yes... an Israelite back then was required to confess (I assume repentance is in there) and kill an animal (technically, the priest kills it).

Is it different today? Is this requirement no longer in effect?

 

[Leaf473]

(CLV) Lv 12:6
When the days of her cleansing are full, for a son or for a daughter, she shall bring a year-old he-lamb as an ascent offering and a dove squab or a turtledove as a sin offering to the priest at the opening of the tent of appointment.

Sin?

Yes, she's required to bring an offering because she's under the law. Why it's called a sin offering, I don't know.

 

[HIM]

Yes, she's required to bring an offering because she's under the law. Why it's called a sin offering, I don't know.

Because she was defiled due to the fall in Eden. The uncleanness of a woman's issue was a result of sin. Jesus took care of this.

 

[HIM]

Yahshua doesn't stumble.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:6
he who is saying that he is remaining in Him ought also himself to be walking according as He walks.

We don't stumble in him. When we stumble; we stumble out of him. We stumble off the path that leads to the mark. We are missing the mark. We are off the target, strayed from the right direction.

I would suggest reading the gospel of Ezekiel 18.

In summary, if the sinner repents; all of his sins will be forgotten. He will live.

Conversely, if the righteous man sins; all of his righteous deeds will be forgotten. He will die.

Hopefully this man will repent as soon as possible.

Yah can take us at any time. I pray that I'm in Yahshua when that time comes for me.

Me too! Have faith!

 

[HIM]

No, there is no sin in Jesus.

Can we sin and be in Jesus? Sure, James says we all stumble in many ways. It's what you do about the stumbling that counts imo.

I think a better translation is Sin is lawlessness or Sin is rebellion.

I'm certainly not advocating lawlessness or rebellion.

James says what?
There is a difference between stumbling and sinning. One is on purpose and one is stumbling; not something set out to do.

 

[Leaf473]

Because she was defiled due to the fall in Eden. The uncleanness of a woman's issue was a result of sin. Jesus took care of this.

Okay... that would be why it was called a sin offering. The woman had to make the offering because she was under the law. Christian women today do not have to do that because they are not under the law.

Jesus was born under the law, we are not under the law.

Being under the law, then, doesn't mean being under the condemnation of the law, it means having to do things like make that sin offering.

That was what I was getting at earlier in this thread.

Peace, my man!

 

[Leaf473]

James says what?
There is a difference between stumbling and sinning. One is on purpose and one is stumbling; not something set out to do.

Well, Paul uses the same word to refer to what Israel did, which was certainly more than accidental mistakes (Romans 11).

Thayer talks about it in terms of sin:
Strong's Greek: 4417. πταίω (ptaió) -- to cause to stumble, to stumble
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But it's an interesting topic. Looking at the opening of 1 Corinthians, we see that there were divisions among them. Divisions is a work of the flesh. Is it done on purpose? Well, yes and no imo.

They probably didn't wake up in the morning and say
I'm going to be divisive.

But they maintained certain attitudes and approaches that led to being divisive. That's because they were growing in Christ, something we all do.

Paul speaks of them later on as having been all baptized by one spirit into one body.

 

[HARK!]

Jesus was born under the law, we are not under the law.

Being under the law, then, doesn't mean being under the condemnation of the law, it means having to do things like make that sin offering.

UNDER THE LAW!

 

[Leaf473]

UNDER THE LAW!

Interesting thread.

The first thing I noticed is that the OP starts with Romans 3:19. That uses different wording in Greek than Under the law in Galatians

 

[HIM]

Well, Paul uses the same word to refer to what Israel did, which was certainly more than accidental mistakes (Romans 11).

Thayer talks about it in terms of sin:
Strong's Greek: 4417. πταίω (ptaió) -- to cause to stumble, to stumble
_____________
But it's an interesting topic. Looking at the opening of 1 Corinthians, we see that there were divisions among them. Divisions is a work of the flesh. Is it done on purpose? Well, yes and no imo.

They probably didn't wake up in the morning and say
I'm going to be divisive.

But they maintained certain attitudes and approaches that led to being divisive. That's because they were growing in Christ, something we all do.

Paul speaks of them later on as having been all baptized by one spirit into one body.

The context in James 3 is teaching and the heavy liability one takes upon themselves being one.

 

[HIM]

Interesting thread.

The first thing I noticed is that the OP starts with Romans 3:19. That uses different wording in Greek than Under the law in Galatians

Because in the Greek it does not say under the law

Okay... that would be why it was called a sin offering. The woman had to make the offering because she was under the law. Christian women today do not have to do that because they are not under the law.

Jesus was born under the law, we are not under the law.

Being under the law, then, doesn't mean being under the condemnation of the law, it means having to do things like make that sin offering.

That was what I was getting at earlier in this thread.

Peace, my man!

Please remember the crux of our conversation is what laws, what part of the word is in our hearts through Christ through the new covenant.

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With that how shall we understand Galatians statement of is not being under the Law in verse 3:23? Context is that it was our teacher, our schoolmaster. And we were under this school master until the Faith came and that we are ALL children of God through THE faith in Christ Jesus. For we have put on Christ and are all one in Christ.

And all this is being stated in context to Galatians 2:20.

For we are dead but we live. Yet not us but CHRIST LIVES in us. And the life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH of SON of GOD who gave himself for us.

So what is the Faith of Christ in which we now live by?

Romans 10:6-8 gives us the answer.

Say not in your heart, bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But say, the word (Christ) is nigh to us. In our hearts and in our mouths. THAT is the Word of Faith in which we preach. His Law in our hearts and minds.

 

[Leaf473]

Because in the Greek it does not say under the law

Yes and no, imo. It can be translated that way. But it's just good to be aware that it's a different wording in the original, again imo.

 

[HIM]

Yes and no, imo. It can be translated that way. But it's just good to be aware that it's different learning in the original, again imo.

We disagree. It is the Same writer through the Spirit. If he meant under he would of used the Greek word ὑπό like he did repeatedly in Galatians To be in is not the same as to be under.

 

[Leaf473]

Please remember the crux of our conversation is what laws, what part of the word is in our hearts through Christ through the new covenant.

s
With that how shall we understand Galatians statement of is not being under the Law in verse 3:23? Context is that it was our teacher, our schoolmaster. And we were under this school master until the Faith came and that we are ALL children of God through THE faith in Christ Jesus. For we have put on Christ and are all one in Christ.

And all this is being stated in context to Galatians 2:20.

For we are dead but we live. Yet not us but CHRIST LIVES in us. And the life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH of SON of GOD who gave himself for us.

So what is the Faith of Christ in which we now live by?

Romans 10:6-8 gives us the answer.

Say not in your heart, bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But say, the word (Christ) is nigh to us. In our hearts and in our mouths. THAT is the Word of Faith in which we preach. His Law in our hearts and minds.

One of the main things we tend to discuss in the larger sense is which laws are for today, Yes.

But in this thread, your post to me (#87) is a response to my post to @HARK! (#86). If you track that back, it basically starts at my post #63 here:
Teach Them to Be Keeping ALL.

But sure, I agree that God writes his word and law in our hearts. That's not the letters of the entire Bible, of course. We often have to open up an external Bible and read, we can't just look to see what letters are written on our heart.

 

[Leaf473]

We disagree. It is the Same writer through the Spirit. If he meant under he would of used the Greek word ὑπό like he did repeatedly in Galatians To be in is not the same as to be under.

For a literal translation, you are correct. But many paraphrases use Under to communicate the meaning of the passage in English.

Romans 3:19 - Bible Gateway

 

[HIM]

For a literal translation, you are correct. But many paraphrases use Under to communicate the meaning of the passage in English.

Romans 3:19 - Bible Gateway

Rather What they think the meaning is