Teach Them to Be Keeping ALL.

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(CLV) Mt 28:19
Going, then, disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

(CLV) Mt 28:20
teaching them to be keeping all, whatever I direct you. And lo! I am with you all the days till the conclusion of the eon! Amen!"
 

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(CLV) Mt 28:19
Going, then, disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

(CLV) Mt 28:20
teaching them to be keeping all, whatever I direct you. And lo! I am with you all the days till the conclusion of the eon! Amen!"
The part about the "whatever I direct you" sounds like it has a future connotation in that translation.
 
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The part about the "whatever I direct you" sounds like it has a future connotation in that translation.

I dismissed that inference, when he said that he is with me all of the days forever, in the continuation of that thought.
 
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I dismissed that inference, when he said that he is with me all of the days forever, in the continuation of that thought.
??? Seems like those two would go together. Teach them what I direct you, I am with you.

So Jesus is with us and continues to direct us. Am I missing something?
 
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Yes. I'm missing the part that makes sense out of why you would dismiss an inference that you apparently agree with.

"Direct" is in the present tense. Yahshua was speaking of the present, to eternity.

I highlighted the word "all" in the OP. Do you think that any of Yahshua's directions are a thing of the past; or are they all eternal?
 
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"Direct" is in the present tense. Yahshua was speaking of the present, to eternity.

I highlighted the word "all" in the OP. Do you think that any of Yahshua's directions are a thing of the past; or are they all eternal?
It looks to me like it's in the aorist tense, though maybe I'm not reading this website right?
Matthew 28:20 Interlinear: teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days -- till the full end of the age.'

But either way, "of the present, to eternity" would have a future connotation imo (as well as a present one).

I think all of Jesus' directions are eternal. That is not, however, the same thing as saying that we are to strictly keep all of the law of Moses today, should that come up in the discussion.
 
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Jn15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.
 
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I think all of Jesus' directions are eternal. That is not, however, the same thing as saying that we are to strictly keep all of the law of Moses today, should that come up in the discussion.

Yahshua spent his entire ministry teaching Torah. He spent his entire ministry teaching repentance.

YHWH said time and time again that his laws are eternal.

Yahshua succinctly reiterated his Father's words.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring
(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

The earth is still here.

Yahshua called us to do his father's will that is his teaching.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.


(CLV) Jn 7:16
Jesus, then, answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 7:17
If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from Myself.
 
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Jn15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Plural

Singular

Yahusua is not giving us the green light to get drunk, consult wizards, and practice homosexuality.
 
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Yahshua spent his entire ministry teaching Torah. He spent his entire ministry teaching repentance.

YHWH said time and time again that his laws are eternal.

Yahshua succinctly reiterated his Father's words.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring
(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

The earth is still here.

Yahshua called us to do his father's will that is his teaching.

(CLV) Jn 14:24
He who is not loving Me, is not keeping My words. And the word which you are hearing is not Mine, but the Father's Who sends Me.


(CLV) Jn 7:16
Jesus, then, answered them and said, "My teaching is not Mine, but His Who sends Me.

(CLV) Jn 7:17
If anyone should be wanting to be doing His will, he will know concerning the teaching, whether it is of God or I am speaking from Myself.
I hear what you're saying. Based on Philip's experience with the man from Ethiopia, it looks like eunuchs are now welcome in the Lord's assembly. That would mean the law about castrated men not entering the assembly has been annulled imo.

If at least one law has been passing by, then heaven and earth must be passing by, or all must be occurring.

I think Heaven and Earth passing by is an apocalyptic way of saying a major change.

So it all fits imo.
 
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I hear what you're saying. Based on Philip's experience with the man from Ethiopia, it looks like eunuchs are now welcome in the Lord's assembly. That would mean the law about castrated men not entering the assembly has been annulled imo.

I'm not familiar with what you're attempting to convey here. Could you go into a little more depth; and post the scripture to support it?

If at least one law has been passing by, then heaven and earth must be passing by, or all must be occurring.

I think Heaven and Earth passing by is an apocalyptic way of saying a major change.

So it all fits imo.

If one law has passed by; then that would call into question, not only those two passages that I quoted from Yahshua, but many, many, passages purportedly being YHWH's word.

If it goes against YHWH's word; then I won't hear it.
 
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I'm not familiar with what you're attempting to convey here. Could you go into a little more depth; and post the scripture to support it?
Sure. Are you familiar with the law about castrated men not entering the Lord's assembly?
If one law has passed by; then that would call into question, not only those two passages that I quoted from Yahshua, but many, many, passages purportedly being YHWH's word.

If it goes against YHWH's word; then I won't hear it.
I don't think it calls any Scripture into question. The passage from Matthew begins with the word Till, that implies the possibility of a time when the condition may be met.

Do you believe Jesus is saying that all humanity is required to keep all of Torah for all eternity?
 
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Sure. Are you familiar with the law about castrated men not entering the Lord's assembly?

I asked you to provide the scriptures.

I don't think it calls any Scripture into question. The passage from Matthew begins with the word Till, that implies the possibility of a time when the condition may be met.

Maybe if you read Luke it will help you with context.

Do you believe Jesus is saying that all humanity is required to keep all of Torah for all eternity?

All that applies. Foe example, I'm not a woman; so instructions directed toward women don't apply to me.
 
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I think Heaven and Earth passing by is an apocalyptic way of saying a major change

If we play fast and loose with what was actually said, and replace it with what we think; we can make the scripture conform to our wills.

I think that we're supposed to conform to Elohim, not the other way around.

JMHO.
 
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I asked you to provide the scriptures.

Maybe if you read Luke it will help you with context.

All that applies. Foe example, I'm not a woman; so instructions directed toward women don't apply to me.
Here's the scripture. I didn't want to insult you by assuming that you didn't know about it.

Deuteronomy 23:1 He who is emasculated by crushing or cutting shall not enter into the Lord’s assembly.
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Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tiny stroke of a pen in the law to fall.

Sure, that sounds like it won't happen. But then:
Luke 21:32 Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all things are accomplished. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.
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Do the tithing laws in Deuteronomy 26 apply to you? If so, do you say these words?
13 “I have put away the holy things out of my house, and also have given them to the Levite, to the foreigner, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all your commandment which you have commanded me. I have not transgressed any of your commandments, neither have I forgotten them. 14 I have not eaten of it in my mourning, neither have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor given of it for the dead. I have listened to the Lord my God’s voice. I have done according to all that you have commanded me. 15 Look down from your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless your people Israel, and the ground which you have given us, as you swore to our fathers, a land flowing with milk and honey.”
 
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If we play fast and loose with what was actually said, and replace it with what we think; we can make the scripture conform to our wills.

I think that we're supposed to conform to Elohim, not the other way around.

JMHO.
Absolutely!

But we also want to allow that the scriptures may contain literary devices such as idioms. I believe Isaiah does this when writing about the Persians conquering Babylon:

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of the sky and its constellations will not give their light. The sun will be darkened in its going out, and the moon will not cause its light to shine.
 
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Here's the scripture. I didn't want to insult you by assuming that you didn't know about it.

Deuteronomy 23:1 He who is emasculated by crushing or cutting shall not enter into the Lord’s assembly.

So where is the scripture that says that this instruction was abolished?
 
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Sure, that sounds like it won't happen. But then:
Luke 21:32 Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all things are accomplished. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.
Interesting..

So when did this happen?:

"and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages."

I must have missed that event.

When exactly was all accomplished?
 
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