Florida rejects math books containing CRT

[Ana the Ist]

RIght, that's when they based slavery on race.

No...race wasn't even a concept they had at that time.

Keep feeding me that white-washed His-Story.

The guy who wrote Roots...arguably the definition of black identity mythos plagiarized a white man. He lifted entire sections from a better, white author. He turned it into a fake autobiography.

Kunta Kinte...or something very close, is a sort of warning shout of an African tribe in Gambia (if I remember correctly). The rest of the story is just as fake...apparently, none of the author's ancestors were enslaved on any plantation. He sold black America a sweet lie....a story of innate black goodness and righteous struggle. In reality....your ancestors got sold off by their black neighbors....probably for muskets and gunpowder. The author would later admit to not only stealing parts of his work....but making up the entire myth. He claimed to want to sell black people a story that made them proud. It wasn't Europeans who stole your culture, it was the African tribes that enslaved your ancestors for profit. Your ancestors had been stripped of their culture and personhood long before they ever reached the sea.

Is it based on race? No.

Who cares? If it was based on race or tribal identity...the result is the same either way.

Still wrong but it's not based on race like American slavery was.

Wasn't, concepts of race weren't widespread or well known by the early days of the slave trade....they took decades and decades to develop to the point of wide acceptance.

I'm not racist, I don't discriminate against any race.

It's not an accusation....it's a statement of fact. It's ok, it's not the worst thing in life. You've repeatedly made broad sweeping statements about white people and they are never positive. I think it's pretty safe to say you judge people by skin color.

 

[rturner76]

No...race wasn't even a concept they had at that time.

Is that what you're white-washed history tells you?

Your ancestors had been stripped of their culture and personhood long before they ever reached the sea.

Before they got on the boat they had their own religion, language and culture. All stripped by white men.

Who cares? If it was based on race or tribal identity...the result is the same either way.

Not really. A tribe is a cultural identity, a race is a color.

It's not an accusation....it's a statement of fact. It's ok, it's not the worst thing in life. You've repeatedly made broad sweeping statements about white people and they are never positive. I think it's pretty safe to say you judge people by skin color.

How could I be racist against whites when I am half white. I just have my eyes open and don't buy your lies. All those history books that taught you all that stuff were written by whites, approved by whites, and published by whites, I don't buy it like you do.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So because you can find a Robin D'angelo to quote

So because you can find a Robin D'angelo to quote, you consider your attitude to be fine. Tu Quoque is not a means to solve problems.

Beyond that NWRT

Don't post and then claim its not worth your effort, time, blah blah blah....

Intellectual snobbery only works if you can display the Intellectual part first.

If you think my characterization of white people under the current left wing narrative is off....fine...tell me what you think they're saying.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Is that what you're white-washed history tells you?

That's what history is...I don't have to take "the white man's" word for it, I can ask any of the descendents of black slavers alive today. Some of these cities have statues to these slavers....you know, like they're heroes.

The evidence is quite clear....your ancestors were enslaved and sold by people who looked just like them.

That's a detail we leave out. We leave it out to spare the feelings of little black kids. We don't want them going home hating their skin color.

Before they got on the boat they had their own religion, language and culture. All stripped by white men.

I'm sure you want to believe that. In reality, once the chains were on...it's gone.

Not really. A tribe is a cultural identity, a race is a color.

Again, same result. Would it have mattered if the tribe that sold your ancestors did it because they had slightly darker skin?

Your ancestors' tribe got sold because they were too weak to fight off the tribe that sold them.

How could I be racist against whites when I am half white.

What part of that stops you from being racist?

I just have my eyes open and don't buy your lies. All those history books that taught you all that stuff were written by whites, approved by whites, and published by whites, I don't buy it like you do.

There it is....that's the racism. Can't trust whites. White people lie.

 

[rturner76]

They didn't remove books that talk about CRT, just books that mention black people's accomplishments. Rrrrra

That's what history is...I don't have to take "the white man's" word for it, I can ask any of the descendents of black slavers alive today. Some of these cities have statues to these slavers....you know, like they're heroes.

The evidence is quite clear....your ancestors were enslaved and sold by people who looked just like them.
And then had their identities erased by their European captors
That's a detail we leave out. We leave it out to spare the feelings of little black kids. We don't want them going home hating their skin color.

I'm sure the white written history books would agree.

I'm sure you want to believe that. In reality, once the chains were on...it's gone.

It's wasn't gone until they were forced to be baptized, drop their home language, and not be allowed to practice their religion.

Again, same result. Would it have mattered if the tribe that sold your ancestors did it because they had slightly darker skin?
Only Europeans and Arabs based their practice of slavery on the color of the slave's skin.
Your ancestors' tribe got sold because they were too weak to fight off the tribe that sold them.

What part of that stops you from being racist?

Maybe because I was raised in a house full f white people who I love and who never treated me differently because I am half black. So I know that having a racist attitude is up to the individual. It's just that their happens to be a ton of racist white individuals. Being born white does not make one a racist nor does a white individual have any less value as a human being than any other color. I just know history and I know what they still get away with today. I judge an individual by their character, but I know how racism is still prevalent in this country.

There it is....that's the racism. Can't trust whites. White people lie.

History is written by the victors and in American history, the white man is the victor. They can say whatever they want and it will be accepted. Then people like you get to decide what is and is not racist, who to believe and when.

 

[Ana the Ist]

They didn't remove books that talk about CRT, just books that mention black people's accomplishments. Rrrrra

Peanut butter?

I'm sure the white written history books would agree.

The honest ones.

It's wasn't gone until they were forced to be baptized, drop their home language, and not be allowed to practice their religion.

Don't kid yourself. If your ancestors weren't sold its not like they would have been freed. They would have been killed or kept as slaves of the dominant tribe. No....it was gone the moment the chains were on.

Maybe because I was raised in a house full f white people who I love and who never treated me differently because I am half black.

Uh huh...

So I know that having a racist attitude is up to the individual. It's just that their happens to be a ton of racist white individuals.

Hmmm....

Being born white does not make one a racist nor does a white individual have any less value as a human being than any other color.

Sorry...but repeating this contradicts the statement you made above.

You don't trust a history written by a white person....because they're white.

Let's not pretend you see them as equals. You see them as untrustworthy.

I just know history and I know what they still get away with today.

No....you don't know history, not really.

History is written by the victors and in American history, the white man is the victor. They can say whatever they want and it will be accepted. Then people like you get to decide what is and is not racist, who to believe and when.

I see....nobody's history can be trusted. It's written by "victors".

 

[RDKirk]

Florida was one of 45 states that signed on to common core, but now they are going back to a basics approach.
Back-to-basics approach to math
The B.E.S.T. Standards do away with what Florida Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran calls “crazy math.” He’s referring to the Common Core’s emphasis on strategies and logic, which often confused parents trying to help their kids at home. Instead, the new math curriculum will balance skills and concepts. It will also stress basic whole number arithmetic and getting the correct answer. B.E.S.T. also adds a financial literacy course at the high school level.

Looks to me like fractions and learning how to set up problems is being ditched for here is how you do this problem and here are 10 more just like it because actually doing math at their kid's level was confusing to many parents.

Oh Floriduh

"Back in my day" a half century ago, parents never helped with homework, because it was accepted that we were going beyond their level.

An interestingly, we had far less homework than kids today. Far less.

Yet, we still seemed to learn more across the board.

Go back even farther, go back a full century, and again kids didn't get help from parents, had no homework at all, and their eighth-grade math tests would be difficult for a very large percentage of eighth-graders today.

Can You Pass This 8th Grade Exam from 1912? - Heads Up by Scout Life

 

[RDKirk]

Why does talking about reality presume a victim mentality?

Thats actually a rather suspect assumption on your part.

Depends on whether it's 2022 reality or 1980 reality.

Back in 1980, it could well be argued that thirty-five-year-old Brad had been taught taught in 1959 to become an oppressor.

But this is a different world from 1959. Eight-year-old Brad today is not learning to be an oppressor, so there is no point teaching eight-year-old Dion that he's being oppressed.

 

[RDKirk]

DeSantis did not claim that all of the textbooks had CRT. he cited various problems with them, including CRT.

that blog shows obvious bias, as shown by the headline alone. "Inside the 'dangerous' math textbooks DeSantis claims would 'indoctrinate students'". the sneer quotes in the headline alone indicate bias against DeSantis' claims. so we don't know what the article might have left out.

and, yes, even the quotes included do indicate bias. the passages on prejudice. which claims to speak out against stereotyping, ironically, includes stereotypes of the sort clearly labeled against Red state attitudes.



the textbook cites these as bad ideas that people can have. but it singles out bad
ideas that Red Staters stereotypically have. ironic, because the textbook speaks out about the danger of stereotyping. this gives the message that, "Red Staters believe wrong things".

the textbook could easily have illustrated the problem with stereotyping in a politically neutral way. but it did not.

The answer to a lie is the truth. As long as Florida is being shady about what they've banned and what got each book banned, they're subject to biased blogs.

 

[RDKirk]

When I was in grammar school, my reader had assumptions.

Yes, in the 1950's they used "Dick and Jane." They were white. Everyone they knew was white. They had an Ozzie and Harriet family where Dad worked and Mom stayed home. Lived in suburbs in their own home...

If the math word problems described Dick and Jane and their family they would still be presenting a template and a set of assumptions---that everyone lived with a father and a non-working mom in a pleasant suburban house in a white neighborhood with one sibling and all white friends.

So why is it "controversial" when more diverse examples are mentioned--examples that might be "normal" to other students.

Is that the case? Are there any examples available of texts that were banned?

 

[rturner76]

Sorry...but repeating this contradicts the statement you made above.

You don't trust a history written by a white person....because they're white.

Let's not pretend you see them as equals. You see them as untrustworthy.

I don't trust the system.

I see....nobody's history can be trusted. It's written by "victors".

I don't trust a lot of it. A lot of lies have been passed down through revisionist history. And no I don't trust the people at the top. People who throw out a textbook because it mentions that a person was the first black PhD. That's not CRT at all but it got lumped in with it because it mentioned something positive about a back man. The powers that be. The system is broken

 

[renniks]

The FDOE’s announcement comes as Gov. Ron DeSantis has taken a lead role nationally in Republican efforts to aggressively push back against liberal cultural values and “woke indoctrination.”
Florida DOE rejects 54 math books due to critical race theory content

Why would any math book have anything about race in it anyway?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

"Back in my day" a half century ago, parents never helped with homework, because it was accepted that we were going beyond their level.

An interestingly, we had far less homework than kids today. Far less.

Yet, we still seemed to learn more across the board.

Go back even farther, go back a full century, and again kids didn't get help from parents, had no homework at all, and their eighth-grade math tests would be difficult for a very large percentage of eighth-graders today.

Can You Pass This 8th Grade Exam from 1912? - Heads Up by Scout Life

I know, back when we were kids we had to run home to chop wood so we would know what a cord is.
Though actually beyond unparseable symbols in what appears to be an addition of fractions problem, and some culturally unknown terminology to modern students, looks like about what an eighth grader should know.
They are simple word problems which you can learn by rote or by learning strategies and logic, but to solve more typical real world problems you need both the basics and the strategy part which most people don't get but leaves so many math illiterates.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't trust the system.

A system that you see created by, and for, old white men.

I don't trust a lot of it. A lot of lies have been passed down through revisionist history. And no I don't trust the people at the top. People who throw out a textbook because it mentions that a person was the first black PhD. That's not CRT at all but it got lumped in with it because it mentioned something positive about a back man. The powers that be. The system is broken

Gotcha. Well I guess the good thing is that you can compare it to other systems, see where it went wrong, and know how to fix it.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Why would any math book have anything about race in it anyway?

So that students can understand that 2 black people + 2 white people = 4 people not 3 1/5 as it was counted when the country was founded.

 

[Ana the Ist]

So that students can understand that 2 black people + 2 white people = 4 people not 3 1/5 as it was counted when the country was founded.

Does that happen?

Also wouldn't 6/5th and 6/5ths add up to 12/5ths or 2 and 2/5ths?

 

[Ana the Ist]

So that students can understand that 2 black people + 2 white people = 4 people not 3 1/5 as it was counted when the country was founded.

I would hope you realize the irony of this post. I had earlier criticized the hatred directed at white people by the left....and you acted like I had painted them wrong. Then you come up with a ridiculous example that I can only assume was meant to shame white people....because nobody actually counts black people as 3/5ths a person....basically proving what I said was right.

Extra ironically, you did the math wrong. Was it because you were thinking about race and not the math? You probably gave the best example for why these books should be rejected.

 

[Fantine]

Is that the case? Are there any examples available of texts that were banned?

I don't think "Dick and Jane" books are available any more. I went to grammar school in the 50's and 60's, and they were based on a word recognition teaching method that has fallen out of favor as a phonetic approach was introduced.

 

[Bradskii]

I know, back when we were kids we had to run home to chop wood so we would know what a cord is.
Though actually beyond unparseable symbols in what appears to be an addition of fractions problem, and some culturally unknown terminology to modern students, looks like about what an eighth grader should know.

I'd be astonished if your average adult would get anywhere near a good pass mark.

I'd be ok with all the maths. But bear in mind there were no calculators, so you'd have to remember your long multiplication and long division and how to calculate a square root (it took me a good ten minutes to do the number of steps in a given distance the 'old way' - and about 10 seconds to do it on a calculator). But...I'll admit I'd struggle with some of the history and civil government questions.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think "Dick and Jane" books are available any more. I went to grammar school in the 50's and 60's, and they were based on a word recognition teaching method that has fallen out of favor as a phonetic approach was introduced.

We had the Dick and Jane books, but our teacher used them to teach phonics. Although George Washington Carver Elementary was segregated, I can recall that the teachers were on the cutting edge of late 50s and early 60s teaching techniques. I got things like Venn diagrams in 1963 mathematics class.