Is the Earth Flat?

[AV1611VET]

So, if you please, ... where are these corners ???

Europe = Norway
Africa = South Africa
Asia = China
America = Alaska

 

[Servus]

These are directions, aren't they ?

I'm thinking along these lines:

 

[Servus]

Why are flat earth preachers use denigration as a arguing technique ?

I'm thinking maybe it's a defense mechanism since they've probably experienced ridicule.

 

[Servus]

Rev. 7:1 four corners of the earth. How can a globe have corners, or do you deny the holy word of God.

Flat earth is circle shaped.

 

[Servus]

Do you ever look at the moon nestled in the clouds and think 'Those clouds are 250,000 miles away?'

If the moon is near cloud level, why doesn't it appear larger at high altitude?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have stated before, that water would have to to be perfectly still/calm for it to be absolutely flat. When you speak of a boat on water you are not seeing a absolutely calm flat surface. Especially if this is in an ocean or even a large lake water has movement

Look at the diagram below. If you standing on a balcony 50 feet above the water level watching a ship that is 50 feet tall sail off into the horizon the waves can’t obstruct the bottom of the boat. The only way they can obstruct the view of the bottom of the boat is if the water goes above the line of sight. If you can only see the top half of the boat that means that the water has to be at least 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight. That’s if the water right behind the boat is blocking the line of sight. Halfway between you and the boat the water would have to be 37.5 feet high in order to block the line of sight. This equation doesn’t change with distance, here’s why. Notice in the diagram the waves appear smaller as they go off into the distance just like the boat does. That’s because as the boat appears to get smaller as it goes off into the distance the waves also get smaller by the exact same proportion. Your not taking that into account because a 2 foot wave cannot hide a 50 foot tall ship if you are looking at it from an elevated position. So if the ship is 5 miles away then the water right behind the ship would have to be 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight and at 2.5 miles which would be the halfway point between you and the ship the water would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. Now at 20 miles that doesn’t change the water still has to be 25 feet high right behind the ship to block the line of sight and at the halfway point, 10 miles, it would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. At 100 miles the same exact equation still applies the water still has to be 25 feet right behind the boat and 37.5 feet at 50 miles to block the line of sight.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Flat earth is circle shaped.

Yeah look at the distance between the southern tip of South America and the southern tip of Africa then look at the distance between Florida and Morocco they should be close to the same distance but they’re not even close to it. The distance between the southern tip of South America and the southern tip of Africa is about 6-8 times farther. That’s because it’s impossible to draw a flat map of the earth to scale. It can’t be done which is irrefutable proof that the earth cannot be flat.

 

[d taylor]

No one wave is going to obscure the sight of a bridge ... unless it's a tsunami ...

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Funny how a 12 inch box can cover up a two story house.
And this photo example was even taken on a road that slopes up in the direction of the 2 story home.

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[d taylor]

Look at the diagram below. If you standing on a balcony 50 feet above the water level watching a ship that is 50 feet tall sail off into the horizon the waves can’t obstruct the bottom of the boat. The only way they can obstruct the view of the bottom of the boat is if the water goes above the line of sight. If you can only see the top half of the boat that means that the water has to be at least 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight. That’s if the water right behind the boat is blocking the line of sight. Halfway between you and the boat the water would have to be 37.5 feet high in order to block the line of sight. This equation doesn’t change with distance, here’s why. Notice in the diagram the waves appear smaller as they go off into the distance just like the boat does. That’s because as the boat appears to get smaller as it goes off into the distance the waves also get smaller by the exact same proportion. Your not taking that into account because a 2 foot wave cannot hide a 50 foot tall ship if you are looking at it from an elevated position. So if the ship is 5 miles away then the water right behind the ship would have to be 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight and at 2.5 miles which would be the halfway point between you and the ship the water would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. Now at 20 miles that doesn’t change the water still has to be 25 feet high right behind the ship to block the line of sight and at the halfway point, 10 miles, it would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. At 100 miles the same exact equation still applies the water still has to be 25 feet right behind the boat and 37.5 feet at 50 miles to block the line of sight.
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So from your drawing the line that goes from your boat to the observer represents 100 miles. If that is correct, your boat must be a 15-20 mile long boat.

 

[d taylor]

Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. (Zech 4:6)

Side note - apparently the name Zerubbabel means 'melted by Babylon'. If he was God's hand to build the Temple, how much more those who are purified in God's furnace.

That is what many seem to over look for example God working miracles through prophets. it was not the prophets doing the miracles but God working through them. Kind of like The Bible, like the prophet doing the miracle, the prophet writer was letting God write through him.

And people love to say well that is the way Moses, or so and so, thought and saw the world back then. The sun really was not moving they were just primitive rubes who did not know better.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So from your drawing the line that goes from your boat to the observer represents 100 miles. If that is correct, your boat must be a 15-20 mile long boat.

I didn’t draw a scale indicating that the boat is 100 miles away. It was a simple drawing to show how line of sight works. Even if the boat was to scale at 100 miles away the line of sight would still not be obstructed by the waves.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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Funny how a 12 inch box can cover up a two story house.
And this photo example was even taken on a road that slopes in the direction of the 2 story home.

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Yes that will happen if you place the box where it obstructs the line of sight. It will happen every time. That has nothing to do with the example I gave since the waves are not in the line of sight. Even elevated at 50 feet above the water the boat will still go out of sight from bottom to top.

So I have another question why can’t anyone draw a map of the earth that is flat and proportionately scaled?

 

[d taylor]

Look at the diagram below. If you standing on a balcony 50 feet above the water level watching a ship that is 50 feet tall sail off into the horizon the waves can’t obstruct the bottom of the boat. The only way they can obstruct the view of the bottom of the boat is if the water goes above the line of sight. If you can only see the top half of the boat that means that the water has to be at least 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight. That’s if the water right behind the boat is blocking the line of sight. Halfway between you and the boat the water would have to be 37.5 feet high in order to block the line of sight. This equation doesn’t change with distance, here’s why. Notice in the diagram the waves appear smaller as they go off into the distance just like the boat does. That’s because as the boat appears to get smaller as it goes off into the distance the waves also get smaller by the exact same proportion. Your not taking that into account because a 2 foot wave cannot hide a 50 foot tall ship if you are looking at it from an elevated position. So if the ship is 5 miles away then the water right behind the ship would have to be 25 feet high in order to block the line of sight and at 2.5 miles which would be the halfway point between you and the ship the water would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. Now at 20 miles that doesn’t change the water still has to be 25 feet high right behind the ship to block the line of sight and at the halfway point, 10 miles, it would have to be 37.5 feet high to block the line of sight. At 100 miles the same exact equation still applies the water still has to be 25 feet right behind the boat and 37.5 feet at 50 miles to block the line of sight.
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According to your illustration the person at 50 ft height is looking at a boat at about 550 ft away.

So that is not very far away, you need at least a mile for your illustration.

 

[Thomas White]

Why are flat earth preachers use denigration as a arguing technique ?

Denigration is defined as unfairly criticizing someone. Flat Earth criticism is deserved.

 

[BNR32FAN]

According to your illustration the person at 50 ft height is looking at a boat at about 550 ft away.

So that is not very far away, you need at least a mile for your illustration.

Why would that matter on a flat earth? The equation is still the same. In order for only the top half of the boat to be visible the waves would have to be at least 25 feet high, that’s the only way they could block the line of sight.

 

[A_Thinker]

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Funny how a 12 inch box can cover up a two story house.
And this photo example was even taken on a road that slopes up in the direction of the 2 story home.

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Our line of sight is not that low. For something to obscure our line-of-sight, ... the obscurance must be at least 4-5 foot high. Ripples and waves on a calm water surface are not that high.

 

[d taylor]

Our line of sight is not that low. For something to obscure our line-of-sight, ... the obscurance must be at least 4-5 foot high. Ripples and waves on a calm water surface are not that high.

If a person is doing a sight curve test, the lower one is to the ground, the more (if the earth was a globe) of the object in the distance should be covered up by the curving earth/ground.

 

[d taylor]

Why would that matter on a flat earth? The equation is still the same. In order for only the top half of the boat to be visible the waves would have to be at least 25 feet high, that’s the only way they could block the line of sight.

Distance matters.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Distance matters.

The diagram I provided shows that distance doesn’t matter when your at an elevated position. It doesn’t matter how far out the boat goes the waves will never block the line of sight.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If a person is doing a sight curve test, the lower one is to the ground, the more (if the earth was a globe) of the object in the distance should be covered up by the curving earth/ground.

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That’s not a constant on the ground because you have different elevation levels that can cause the line of sight to be farther or closer depending on the terrain. There are several variables that will affect line of sight on land. A slight hill in between the two locations can cause a shorter line of sight whereas a slight dip between the two locations can cause a longer line of sight. The elevation that your viewing from isn’t the only elevation factor that must be considered, the elevation your looking at also plays a significant role. You can see mountains much farther than you can see valleys.