A question about babies salvation

[Blaise N]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

 

[Halbhh]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

Luke 18:16 But Jesus called the children to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

While I don't know if they wake up instantly seeing the Lord, they will see the Lord, and the Kingdom of God is already theirs. And whether they wake up instantly or later in our Earthly time, either way for them it will be like an instant.

Blaise,
The false claim that God 'sends babies to hell' is just one of several inventions by anti-Christian atheists that actually wish to harm Christians.

Blaise, if you are relying on atheists to tell you about God or the Bible you'll end up destroyed very likely.

Instead, trust Christ enough to read what He said in the gospels of in the New Testament, for yourself.

It is easy to listen to Him, the words are fascinating and wonderful, and so much better than you might guess.

Life giving.

Here's a place to start: Matthew 3 NIV

When you get to the amazing chapter 5, the Sermon on the Mount, don't worry if you don't understand every bit instantly. You will understand many wonderful things the first time, and more the 2nd, and just take your time and read until you have something you feel you need to rest with, and just absorb, like a full meal. Sometimes that's even just 1 sentence of His. On some days I could only read 1 verse in some of those places, and just was full, delighted, and had enough to keep me for a full day.

 

[d taylor]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

Here is an article that may offer at least one possibility.

The Rapture and the Age of Accountability – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[RDKirk]

Through the Old Testament and the New, God confirms that He takes knowledge of Him into consideration in His judgment.

For instance, the explicit reason God gives for not destroying the Ninivites was their ignorance. God insisted that Jonah preach to them before He'd condemn them.

In the Mosaic Law, it's expressed multiple times that atonement for a sin is not required until after one learns that he has sinned.

Jesus said, "Jesus said, 'If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.'" (John 9:41)

Jesus also said, "The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12).

Paul expressed this same concept in a negative fashion, saying that men are without excuse because of what they do know:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. -- Romans 1

It's for what we know by which God condemns us. We are held accountable for what we know.

Infants are not saved from condemnation because they are innocent, but because they are ignorant.

 

[d taylor]

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David said he would see his son, "who God took the life of", again.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

There is a rule of faith.

"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."
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I do not know all the answers. Nobody does, and probably never will. But I do know this. It is our job to believe. It is our job to have faith. Those things that we have not been told do not belong to us. They belong to Him.

Deut 29
29.“The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions.​

I have prayed about these as all sincere believers do. The answer I received, in the clearest language I can express, is this. It is our job to believe. That what we have been called to do. What happens is His business. I got this: "You do your job, and I will do Mine." Essentially: "Mind your business, I will mind Mine."

Ultimately God is fair and just. Beyond that He is merciful and kind. You can take it from there. So, what do I believe? I believe that whatever He does, it will be fair, just, merciful, and kind. That is a faith statement.

 

[Blaise N]

Luke 18:16 But Jesus called the children to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them! For the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

While I don't know if they wake up instantly seeing the Lord, they will see the Lord, and the Kingdom of God is already theirs. And whether they wake up instantly or later in our Earthly time, either way for them it will be like an instant.

Blaise,
The false claim that God 'sends babies to hell' is just one of several inventions by anti-Christian atheists that actually wish to harm Christians.

Blaise, if you are relying on atheists to tell you about God or the Bible you'll end up destroyed very likely.

Instead, trust Christ enough to read what He said in the gospels of in the New Testament, for yourself.

It is easy to listen to Him, the words are fascinating and wonderful, and so much better than you might guess.

Life giving.

Here's a place to start: Matthew 3 NIV

When you get to the amazing chapter 5, the Sermon on the Mount, don't worry if you don't understand every bit instantly. You will understand many wonderful things the first time, and more the 2nd, and just take your time and read until you have something you feel you need to rest with, and just absorb, like a full meal. Sometimes that's even just 1 sentence of His. On some days I could only read 1 verse in some of those places, and just was full, delighted, and had enough to keep me for a full day.

Right I’m not relying on atheists,if anything I’m firmly against them and loathe their thinkings,teachings,and philosophies.I can’t say here how badly I dislike them because I’ll get flagged.But I do have a firm anger against them.But I thank you anyway for your response Halbuhh,I don’t rely on atheists for anything,I don’t like Dawkins,hawking,or any of their subordinates.I rely on the Bible to tell me about God.And thank you for your warnings,I don’t want to end up destroyed.


See the thing is,I’ve had this thought(the thought in the post for months) however it has its pattern of coming and going.And I reached out today to confront it and receive godly counsel over it.I haven’t posted about it too much,but I fear terribly of “falling away”.It’s a very hurtful and scary thing to have that happen and I have asked the lord many many MANY times to please sustain me and keep me far far far far far away from apostasy.I know God is real and know his attributes,it’s a concrete fact he’s real.It’s a fact that cannot be denied.I agree with you on the fact that statements like the thought are allegations and attacks meant to drive us Christians into the ground.Hence why I’m so against atheists,I’m angry at how they hurt us and angry at their attempts to hurt our only hope.I can’t explain further of that topic.But all I can say is I’m extremely grateful for your response.As to all the others as well.

 

[Major1]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

May I have the honor of setting your heart at peace???

The Bible doesn’t explicitly answer the question of whether children who die before they are born again go to heaven. However, enough indirect information can be pieced together from Scripture to provide a satisfactory answer, which relates to infants as well as those with mental handicaps and others.

People who, upon seeing and evaluating the evidence of nature, reject God are “without excuse.” This raises some questions: If a child is too young to know right from wrong and possesses no capacity for reasoning about God, then is that child exempted from judgment? Or those who are mentally challenged? Will God hold babies responsible for not responding to the gospel, when they are incapable of understanding the message? I believe that granting saving grace to babies and young children, on the basis of the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement, is consistent with God’s love and mercy.

If not.....then why in the world would we call God a God of Love and mercy and Grace?

“Sin is measured by the capacities or ability of people, and by their opportunities of knowing the truth. If people had no ability to do the will of God, they could incur no blame. If they have all proper ability, and no disposition, God holds them to be guilty”
Source: (Albert Barnes, New Testament Notes: Explanatory and Practical, ed. by Robert Frew, Baker Book House, Vol. 1, “Jn. 9:41”).

According to this principle, babies and young children who are unable to accept or reject Christ are not held accountable for unbelief.

 

[johnjanuary1984]

No one really knows what happens. But I can't condemn people for believing otherwise. What does the Bible say ?

"Certainly, I was guilty when I was born.
I was sinful when my mother conceived me."
Psalm 51:5

"because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"Jesus said to him, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.". John 14:6

 

[lismore]

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

Genesis 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"

We can trust in God that the righteous judge will do what is absolutely right, far better than anything we could think or imagine

 

[Albion]

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

We are not certain about the answer, but there is hardly any Christian denomination that thinks God sends them to Hell. How God handles this we have not been given to know, that's all.

Is that reassuring? It should be.

 

[Major1]

No one really knows what happens. But I can't condemn people for believing otherwise. What does the Bible say ?

"Certainly, I was guilty when I was born.
I was sinful when my mother conceived me."
Psalm 51:5

"because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

"Jesus said to him, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.". John 14:6

Well.....that is right and wrong at the same time.

We may not know specifically what is coming, but when we read the Revelation acoount from Jesus....we have a pretty good idea!

 

[Lukaris]

There is an ancient letter from a philosopher named Aristides who was reporting his observations of the Christians to the emperor Hadrian ( about 125 AD). What he observed was the early Christians seemed to believe infants were basically innocent ( young children in fact). Aristides later became a Christian and is known as St. Aristides his letter actually became an apology for Christians. The letter has many short chapters but is only about 10-15 printed pages. From his observation of the Christians ( chapter 15) re children:




And when a child has been born to one of them, they give thanks to God; and if moreover it happen to die in childhood, they give thanks to God the more, as for one who has passed through the world without sins.


The Apology of Aristides the Philosopher.

 

[HTacianas]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

Babies who die go to be with God. They have not sinned so are the same as a newly baptized adult. The conflict you are facing is the Augustinian notion of original sin that is fully realized in Calvinism. Even those who hold to the idea back away when confronted with the reality of it.

 

[trophy33]

"Certainly, I was guilty when I was born.
I was sinful when my mother conceived me."
Psalm 51:5

Its not a good idea to build a theology upon a song/poetry.

"because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23

Bible uses the word "all" in various different meanings, mostly as "common population" and almost never as "every individual". The context is not about babies, unborn babies etc.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Hi everyone,

I have another small question.So needless to say it’s one causing havoc on my anxiety.

So I hold nothing against the Lord.I trust and love him unconditionally.But a thought that isn’t mine keeps repeating itself by saying “I can’t follow “a God” that sends babies to hell”,this thought isn’t mine,I didn’t conjure up this thought either,I don’t like it,I didnt willfully think it,I don’t even confess it to challenge the lord,I’m not even saying that I don’t want to continue discipleship either.I hate this thought/Question,I hate that it’s polluting my mind,and I hate it in general.Like I said I hate to have to type out the thought,every word in it I’m against.I would never ever refer to the Lord as “A God”.Nor am I debating my devotion to him either because im following him no matter what.But I can’t shake the question that causes me unwanted anxiety.

which is this.

“Where do babies that die in infancy go?,are they immediately taken to heaven,or are some sent to hell?”

It is not written, so you need to trust God.

As it is written, people who come to Him need to believe that He is and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

When we stop believing that He is good or that He rewards good things, it causes distance due to replacing faith with dread.

 

[johnjanuary1984]

Its not a good idea to build a theology upon a song/poetry.


Bible uses the word "all" in various different meanings, mostly as "common population" and almost never as "every individual". The context is not about babies, unborn babies etc.

"Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him." Psalm 34:8

So should this passage and others in Psalms be disregarded also ??

So all doesn't mean all ???

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness," 2 Tim 3:16

"There is no one righteous, not even one". Romans 3:10

 

[RDKirk]

I
Bible uses the word "all" in various different meanings, mostly as "common population" and almost never as "every individual". The context is not about babies, unborn babies etc.

This is true, as:

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. -- Matthew 2

Yet, we know that Simeon and Anna had been waiting their entire lives to see the Messiah, and greeted Jesus gladly. (Luke 2)

So "all" in this context did not mean "every individual." I suspect it meant everyone who was in the employ of Herod or depending on Herod's continued position as king.

 

[Major1]

This is true, as:

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. -- Matthew 2

Yet, we know that Simeon and Anna had been waiting their entire lives to see the Messiah, and greeted Jesus gladly. (Luke 2)

So "all" in this context did not mean "every individual." I suspect it meant everyone who was in the employ of Herod or depending on Herod's continued position as king.

I do not post this to argue but to give every one some thing to consider.

If we look at the wider context of Romans 1-3, I think that we’ll see that Paul uses the word all in Romans 3:23 to speak of all humanity since creation, both Jews and Greeks.

But in Romans 3, Paul goes even further to show that the word all in Romans 3:23 doesn’t just mean “all ethnic groups have sinned,” “all in general have sinned,” or that “every kind of person has sinned.” Rather Paul shows that each and every individual of fallen humanity has sinned.

Consider the CONTEXT In Romans 3:10-11 where Paul makes this crystal clear:.......
“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”

The fact that Paul denies the goodness of any fallen individual in Romans 3:10-11 should clarify his meaning of all in Romans 3:23.

Think about it folks.....There would be little reason for Paul to deny that any individual is good, not even one, if “all” always meant “all” without any qualification.

Thus, we see that the word all in alone in Romans 3:23
isn’t sufficient to prove that each and every individual descended from Adam has sinned. But the context of Romans 3 demonstrates that that’s exactly what Paul means.

 

[johnjanuary1984]

" So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, so also death spread to all people because all sinned." Romans 5:12