Does man have a freewill ?

[CoreyD]

@CoreyD



Christ came as a Surety Covenant representative for a Covenant people Isa 42:6-7,21

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

So when Christ was water baptized it was in fulfillment of the law righteousness God required for life, He magnified the Law of God in His Life and Death for all the elect of God,

So all for whom He lived and died, God for Hs sake imputes to them righteousness, He declares them righteous by His obedience to death Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

So when Christ submitted to Johns Baptism, it was in obedience to a Law righteousness needed to be fulfilled to finish His covenant work !

Hey Brightflame.
The thread has gone way off topic.
If you want to discuss this, it's possible to start a new thread.

 

[Clare73]

Talking about Jesus' baptism here.
What repentance did Jesus' baptism symbolize?
Please don't just assert, as you are doing. Provide scripture(s) please.

Trying to decide if I really want to do this. . .

While I'm deciding, I will proceed:

Water cleanses. . .repenance cleanses from sin. . .baptism symbolize the cleansing of sin by repentance.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
Perhaps you can be more specific about what you are saying.
What scripture, or law does Jesus' being baptized fulfill?

It was not in fulfillment of the Law.

What repentance did Jesus' baptism symbolize?

Jesus "fulfilled all righteousness" in his baptism (Mt 3:15)

Baptism in itself symbolizes repentance, cleansing.

Whereas, Jesus' baptism symbolized that he was consecrated to God and officially approved by him, that all Gods righteous requirements for the Messiah were met in him, he was clean, as seen in the descent of the Holy Spirit (Mt 3:16) and the words of the Father (Mt 3:17). . .also a demonstration of the Trinity.

 

[Brightfame52]

Glorying in the Cross not freewill of man !

Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by [The Cross] whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Christ's death, His crucifixion for those He died for produced results unto them, for by its Power it establishes them in a Right Spiritual Relationship with God, it delivers them from this present evil world according to the Will of God Gal 1:3-5

3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

You see the purpose of His death was to deliver from this present evil world, and that my friends is why Paul said that He glories in the Cross, because by it he has been crucified to the world and the world to him, he was delivered from it , not by freewill, but by His Cross !

That word deliver means:


I.
to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out
II.
to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

III.
to rescue, deliver

4 Who gave (yielded) Himself up [to atone] for our sins [and to save and sanctify us], in order to rescue and deliver us from this present wicked age and world order, in accordance with the will and purpose and plan of our God and Father—AMP

Yes being delivered from this present evil world is the same as Paul saying in Gal 6:14

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

They are or will be delivered from a false religious world system, a friendship with the world James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1 Jn 2:15

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.