Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It assumes it and doesn't contradict it.

Unless you can maybe show me how it does, etc?

It doesn't mention it.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Why would I need help with something we both already understand and/or agree upon, etc...?

ToE is more than likely fact, and we both understand that, and more than likely both fully agree upon that, correct...?

So what needs explaining, etc...?

Because ToE being a fact is assumed in my OP and in what I have said so far in this thread after it, etc...?

So, if you can, please show me the holes in it or where it contradicts it if you can please, etc...?

A solution to the creation/evolution debate should deal with both creation and evolution.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Makes me wonder why unbelievers don't just say that in the first place, rather than try and pwn someone's claim piecemeal style.

Joe: The Shroud of Turin is a miracle!
Sci: I don't believe in miracles, so no it isn't -- case closed.

Joe: A shroud has been found in Turin with Jesus' silhouette imprinted on it.
Sci: Let's investigate it.

The second option is what happened. Dating showed it to be a fake.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What's the miracle? That it really is the shroud of Jesus even though science (and some ecclesiastical authorities) says it probably isn't? If it really is the shroud of Jesus then it's not a miracle, it's a shroud.

The miracle is the image that appears on it - anatomically out of proportion and mysteriously similar in facial appearance to the Europeanized medieval images that the shroud mysteriously dates to

 

[TLK Valentine]

The second option is what happened. Dating showed it to be a fake.

In another time (probably the time the shroud was actually made), claiming that second option would get a person burned at the stake...

... which is the only advantage of choosing the first option.

 

[FullMoon]

Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

Bible clearly says in multiple places that God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in it in 6 days, and rested on the 7th. God doesn't lie.

Humans came up with evolution; humans lie.

A comedian once basically said, there are a lot of humans, there are a lot of monkeys, so where are transitional creatures from monkeys to humans, there should be a lot of them too.

A lot of what is taught is not actual science, not reality, it is just called science (1Tim6:20).

Creation is true, evolution is false. Trying to merge the two is an error.
I'm not trying to be dismissive, I just know that there are a lot of lies. Instead of trying to merge the two, maybe best to look for the holes in the theory.

 

[Neogaia777]

A solution to the creation/evolution debate should deal with both creation and evolution.

Ok, well what do you want me to say about evolution then, especially since I am not in any way disagreeing with it at all, etc...?

But what I am disagreeing with is exactly what I am talking about, and that is the way many people interpret Genesis and/or Creation and the Bible/Creation account, etc, so that is what I talked about, etc...?

What do you want me to say about evolution, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

It doesn't mention it.

That's because I'm not disagreeing with it...

Se my post just now above this one, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

It certainly is if you've been getting it wrong... or never took it seriously in the first place.

I 100% completely agree, etc...

It is a waste otherwise, etc...

Never claimed to... but it doesn't take an expert to recognize an amateur... or a quack.

Insults... How cute... But I am not programmed to respond to insults, etc...

None taken -- I have to believe in your superior knowledge of God to be offended as opposed to amused by your claims.

You have to believe in my different knowledge of God than you right now currently have right now, etc, and if you want anymore than that, then you have to not be so "afraid", like you are, to even dare to ask me one simple question about it, etc...

Otherwise you get nothing, etc...

And I mean that quite literally, etc...

And your (current) knowledge will perish with you, etc...

Nah... no need to ask unless I had an interest beyond entertainment value. And frankly, that ship sailed several pages ago.

How or what was it that caused that ship to sail, etc...?

And, if you want to be and/or stand eternally condemned, then be my guest, because I could care less, etc...

Or you could ask me a "question", etc...?

Your choice either way, etc...

Because I think your really just "afraid to ask" really, etc...

Because then you might just have to take it a little bit more seriously than just it's "entertainment value" to you only, etc, and I don't think you really want that really, etc, and is really the real reason why you don't ask really, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

Evolution (the change in allele frequencies in a population over generations) is a fact - observed and documented. The Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory - an explanation for the diversity of life. Scientific theories are well-tested, widely accepted, explanations for what we observe in the world.

A comedian once basically said, there are a lot of humans, there are a lot of monkeys, so where are transitional creatures from monkeys to humans, there should be a lot of them too.

For comedy go to comedians. For science go to scientists.

I'm not trying to be dismissive, I just know that there are a lot of lies. Instead of trying to merge the two, maybe best to look for the holes in the theory.

You may not be trying, but you are dismissive. All human endeavours are sullied by lies, including religions and their dogmas. But if you have found any 'holes' in the theory, please enlighten us.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ok, well what do you want me to say about evolution then, especially since I am not in any way disagreeing with it at all, etc...?

But what I am disagreeing with is exactly what I am talking about, and that is the way many people interpret Genesis and/or Creation and the Bible/Creation account, etc, so that is what I talked about, etc...?

What do you want me to say about evolution, etc...?

How does your post address the creation/evolution debate? how does it relate to evolution? IOW, how is it on topic?

 

[Neogaia777]

How does your post address the creation/evolution debate? how does it relate to evolution? IOW, how is it on topic?

It addresses the errors in the traditional or classical interpretations of Genesis and the Creation accounts that were previously in conflict with ToE, and resolves and/or solves them, etc...

I don't know how you can be any more "on topic" than that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It addresses the errors in the traditional or classical interpretations of Genesis and the Creation accounts that were previously in conflict with ToE, and resolves and/or solves them, etc...

I don't know how you can be any more "on topic" than that, etc...

But it doesn't say which parts were in conflict or how it resolves that conflict.

 

[Neogaia777]

It addresses the errors in the traditional or classical interpretations of Genesis and the Creation accounts that were previously in conflict with ToE, and resolves and/or solves them, etc...

I don't know how you can be any more "on topic" than that, etc...

God Bless!

@FrumiousBandersnatch

It shows how there can be both a special set apart and set aside race of specially created beings that were specially created in a certain region, and also a race of evolved humans or creatures or beings that eventually began running into each other and interbreeding and intermixing, for which most of the race of specially created beings were destroyed by a regional flood leaving only mainly just the race of only evolved beings only, etc, mostly anyway, etc...

Did you not read the OP "at all" etc...?

Or did you "just not get it", etc...?

Because I really don't know how else to put it, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

But it doesn't say which parts were in conflict or how it resolves that conflict.

Almost all previous interpretations (of Genesis or the Creation account) have been in conflict with it (ToE), and I presented how to resolve it/them fully I think, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Larniavc]

Makes me wonder why unbelievers don't just say that in the first place, rather than try and pwn someone's claim piecemeal style.

Joe: The Shroud of Turin is a miracle!
Sci: I don't believe in miracles, so no it isn't -- case closed.

Joe: A shroud has been found in Turin with Jesus' silhouette imprinted on it.
Sci: Let's investigate it.

It’s been investigated. It’s not old enough.

 

[Neogaia777]

Almost all previous interpretations (of Genesis or the Creation account) have been in conflict with it (ToE), and I presented how to resolve it/them fully I think, etc...

God Bless!

@FrumiousBandersnatch

And I'm not going to address how all of the previous or prior interpretations (of Genesis/Creation) were in conflict with it (ToE), etc...

But only present how they can be fixed, or reconciled, or resolved, or solved only, etc...

That would be way, way too much to write, and way, way too long a list, etc...

And not to mention completely unnecessary, and a big waste of my time also, etc...

I'm about solutions and/or resolutions, and not problems, etc...

Or to gather and not scatter, etc...

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It shows how there can be both a special set apart and set aside race of specially created beings that were specially created in a certain region, and also a race of evolved humans or creatures or beings that eventually began running into each other and interbreeding and intermixing, for which most of the race of specially created beings were destroyed by a regional flood leaving only mainly just the race of only evolved beings only, etc, mostly anyway, etc...

OK, thank you.

Did you not read the OP "at all" etc...?

Or did you "just not get it", etc...?

Because I really don't know how else to put it, etc...?

Seriously? If I hadn't read the post, I wouldn't have known it made no mention of evolution.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

@FrumiousBandersnatch

And I'm not going to address how all of the previous or prior interpretations (of Genesis/Creation) were in conflict with it (ToE), etc...

But only present how they can be fixed, or reconciled, or resolved, or solved only, etc...

That would be way, way too much to write, and way, way too long a list, etc...

And not to mention completely unnecessary, and a big waste of my time also, etc...

I'm about solutions and/or resolutions, and not problems, etc...

What are solutions and resolutions about, if not problems?

But never mind, I'll leave you to it.

 

[Neogaia777]

What are solutions and resolutions about, if not problems?

But never mind, I'll leave you to it.

I meant I'm not really about trying to cause even more division and/or problems, etc...

Even though sometimes my ideas do still sometimes divide and/or cause more problems, etc...

I wish it wasn't that way though...

But the fact that some people still think I am intentionally doing it always, still bothers me a little bit sometimes I guess, and I guess that was partly that, that was coming out of me a little bit, etc...

God Bless!