Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it was all God created/inspired, etc...

Ask me more if you want to, etc...

God Bless!

That's it for now.

Thank you, Neogaia!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes, it was all God created/inspired, etc...

Ask me more if you want to, etc...

God Bless!

Going by your answer, does this mean you see no difference between "inspired" and written?

 

[Neogaia777]

Going by your answer, does this mean you see no difference between "inspired" and written?

It was all done on purpose, and with an ultimate purpose, by and under the umbrella of God the Father, and is all useful for teaching, etc, and there is not one thing in it that does not teach truth, or a truth, or that is completely useless for teaching one truth or another about one subject or another, etc... (see 2 Timothy 3:16)...

No empty or useless words, in other words, etc...

God Bless!

 

[TLK Valentine]

It was all done on purpose, and with an ultimate purpose, by and under the umbrella of God the Father, and is all useful for teaching, etc, and there is not one thing in it that does not teach truth, or a truth, or that is completely useless for teaching one truth or another about one subject or another, etc... (see 2 Timothy 3:16)...

No empty or useless words, in other words, etc...

God Bless!

That's nice.

So... Inspired and written -- same thing or not?

 

[Neogaia777]

That's nice.

So... Inspired and written -- same thing or not?

Same thing basically, etc...

Ask me more if you like, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

That's it for now.

Thank you, Neogaia!

God Bless my friend!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Same thing basically, etc...

So... that's a "yes."

Wouldn't you have saved yourself some embarrassment if you had said that before?

Ask me more if you like, etc...

God Bless!

Don't mind if I do... The 1989 film "Lean on Me" was inspired by the late "Crazy" Joe Clark (played brilliantly by Morgan Freeman) and his tenure as school principal at Eastside High School in Patterson, NJ.

Why then can we not "basically" say that Crazy Joe wrote the movie?

Or can we?

 

[Astrophile]

A comedian once basically said, there are a lot of humans, there are a lot of monkeys, so where are transitional creatures from monkeys to humans, there should be a lot of them too.

Australopithecines.

 

[Astrophile]

Here is the challenge I will set before you all right now in this thread:

"Ask me any question you want to about God and/or the Bible and I can 100% guarantee you that I can answer it in a way that is logical and/or reasonable, or that is logically and reasonably possible, etc, ok..."

God Bless!

When was the book of Daniel written?

 

[Neogaia777]

So... that's a "yes."

Wouldn't you have saved yourself some embarrassment if you had said that before?



Don't mind if I do... The 1989 film "Lean on Me" was inspired by the late "Crazy" Joe Clark (played brilliantly by Morgan Freeman) and his tenure as school principal at Eastside High School in Patterson, NJ.

Why then can we not "basically" say that Crazy Joe wrote the movie?

Or can we?

There are details you don't know, and I just assumed you wanted the short answer, so...

So that's why I just invited you to just then ask me more about it if you like, etc...

And just let you decide what specific details you really wanted to know, etc...

Because the short answer is that all of the entire Bible was written by God, etc...

But ask me more if you like, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

When was the book of Daniel written?

I'm not very good with exact dates, but it was supposedly written during the time of the Israelites captivity or exile in Babylon, etc...

I could easily Google it if you like, but then again so can you also, etc...

And I only say supposedly because I know the oldest texts we have don't actually date back that far, etc...

And that it still takes "faith" to believe it actually was, or that they actually were, etc...

God Bless!

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are details you don't know, and I just assumed you wanted the short answer, so...

So that's why I just invited you to just then ask me more about it if you like, etc...

And just let you decide what specific details you really wanted to know, etc...

Because the short answer is that all of the entire Bible was written by God, etc...

But ask me more if you like, etc...

God Bless!

So... inspired vs. written -- same thing or not?

Because remember this?

"Ask me any question you want to about God and/or the Bible and I can 100% guarantee you that I can answer it in a way that is logical and/or reasonable, or that is logically and reasonably possible, etc, ok..."

just fyi... you're blowing it.

 

[Neogaia777]

There are details you don't know, and I just assumed you wanted the short answer, so...

So that's why I just invited you to just then ask me more about it if you like, etc...

And just let you decide what specific details you really wanted to know, etc...

Because the short answer is that all of the entire Bible was written by God, etc...

But ask me more if you like, etc...

God Bless!

@TLK Valentine

But since you still being such a smarty-butt or smarty-pants right now, I'm going to try and give you a little bit of the longer version, and just a little bit of it, etc...

And I'm going to use Peter as an example to start, and it is when Jesus told Peter when Jesus asked Peter who he said or thought He (Jesus) was, etc, and he said "You are the Christ, the Son of God" and Jesus kind of praised Peter for that having been told to him or revealed to him directly by God the Father, etc, but and/or anyway, sometimes, or most times, people spoke by "inspiration" of God the Spirit, but occasionally they also spoke under direct revelation from God the Father directly sometimes also, but then also spoke with "tongues of men and angels" sometimes also, it was a very powerful high ranking angel who told John what to write down when he wrote the book of revelation, for example, etc, but it all was "insipred", or and/or was/is always all under the "umbrella" of God the Father, etc, and none of them were ever in conflict, etc...

Like I said, there are, or were, details, that you just don't fully know or understand right now smarty-pants...

Ask me more if you wish, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

So... inspired vs. written -- same thing or not?

Because remember this?

"Ask me any question you want to about God and/or the Bible and I can 100% guarantee you that I can answer it in a way that is logical and/or reasonable, or that is logically and reasonably possible, etc, ok..."

just fyi... you're blowing it.

See my post to you just above this one right now, that I must have been in the process of writing just as you were writing yours just now smarty-pants, etc...

God Bless!

 

[coffee4u]

And yet there are those who believe that Genesis is true but is not to be taken as a history book. That there are deeper truths. That Torah is meant to teach us righteousness and not history or science.

True but not true, how convenient- and meaningless.

 

[ottawak]

True but not true, how convenient- and meaningless.

Or very subtle, as befits its divine authorship.

 

[TLK Valentine]

See my post to you just above this one right now, that I must have been in the process of writing just as you were writing yours just now smarty-pants, etc...

God Bless!

Sounds an awful lot like the answer to my "inspired vs. written -- same thing or not?" question went from "basically the same thing" to "sometimes yes; sometimes no."

Let's go over the things I knew (but didn't believe and still don't):

"and it is when Jesus told Peter when Jesus asked Peter who he said or thought He (Jesus) was, etc, and he said "You are the Christ, the Son of God" and Jesus kind of praised Peter for that having been told to him or revealed to him directly by God the Father, etc,"

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything; stay focused.

"sometimes, or most times, people spoke by "inspiration" of God the Spirit, but occasionally they also spoke under direct revelation from God the Father directly sometimes also,"

Nothing new here -- but it does raise an interesting an interesting question: Does God merely provide the idea, or the exact words?

Your answer roughly translates to a definite "sometimes."

"but then also spoke with "tongues of men and angels" sometimes also,"


...which means what, specifically? After all, roughly half the human population speaks with tongues of men, so that's hardly worth mentioning, so what does "tongues of angels" mean?

Before you answer, I am aware of the phenomenon of "speaking in tongues," also known as glossolalia, which comes across as little more than babbling incoherently and pretending its a coherent language. I'm sure you're familiar with this as well.

"it was a very powerful high ranking angel who told John what to write down when he wrote the book of revelation, for example, etc,"

Well, I'm certainly glad that John didn't (allegedly) get his ideas from a mere angelic foot soldier -- how embarrassing would that be?

Incidentally, where in Revelation did John indicate that the angel who allegedly revealed this to him was either "very powerful" or "high ranking"? I mean, surely compared to John himself, this being was one like unto the Son of man, but by angelic standards, how do we know it wasn't just an intern?

"but it all was "insipred", or and/or was/is always all under the "umbrella" of God the Father, etc, and none of them were ever in conflict, etc..."

And the number of Expanded Universe novels of the Star Trek universe and/or was/is always under the "umbrella" of Gene Rodenberry, etc., and none of them were ever in conflict, etc...

But Gene himself never wrote them.

Which brings us back to the original question that you never did get around to answering: is "inspiring" something the same as writing it?

You seem to have lost your train of thought in your efforts to prove superior knowledge.... which -- spoiler alert -- is still blown.

 

[Neogaia777]

Sounds an awful lot like the answer to my "inspired vs. written -- same thing or not?" question went from "basically the same thing" to "sometimes yes; sometimes no."

Let's go over the things I knew (but didn't believe and still don't):

"and it is when Jesus told Peter when Jesus asked Peter who he said or thought He (Jesus) was, etc, and he said "You are the Christ, the Son of God" and Jesus kind of praised Peter for that having been told to him or revealed to him directly by God the Father, etc,"

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything; stay focused.

"sometimes, or most times, people spoke by "inspiration" of God the Spirit, but occasionally they also spoke under direct revelation from God the Father directly sometimes also,"

Nothing new here -- but it does raise an interesting an interesting question: Does God merely provide the idea, or the exact words?

Your answer roughly translates to a definite "sometimes."

"but then also spoke with "tongues of men and angels" sometimes also,"


...which means what, specifically? After all, roughly half the human population speaks with tongues of men, so that's hardly worth mentioning, so what does "tongues of angels" mean?

Before you answer, I am aware of the phenomenon of "speaking in tongues," also known as glossolalia, which comes across as little more than babbling incoherently and pretending its a coherent language. I'm sure you're familiar with this as well.

"it was a very powerful high ranking angel who told John what to write down when he wrote the book of revelation, for example, etc,"

Well, I'm certainly glad that John didn't (allegedly) get his ideas from a mere angelic foot soldier -- how embarrassing would that be?

Incidentally, where in Revelation did John indicate that the angel who allegedly revealed this to him was either "very powerful" or "high ranking"? I mean, surely compared to John himself, this being was one like unto the Son of man, but by angelic standards, how do we know it wasn't just an intern?

"but it all was "insipred", or and/or was/is always all under the "umbrella" of God the Father, etc, and none of them were ever in conflict, etc..."

And the number of Expanded Universe novels of the Star Trek universe and/or was/is always under the "umbrella" of Gene Rodenberry, etc., and none of them were ever in conflict, etc...

But Gene himself never wrote them.

Which brings us back to the original question that you never did get around to answering: is "inspiring" something the same as writing it?

You seem to have lost your train of thought in your efforts to prove superior knowledge.... which -- spoiler alert -- is still blown.

I'm calling it a night for now...

Talk with you later (maybe), etc...

Peace...

God Bless!

 

[TLK Valentine]

True but not true, how convenient- and meaningless.

Are you not capable of learning a lesson from something that is not literally true?

 

[AV1611VET]

Which brings us back to the original question that you never did get around to answering: is "inspiring" something the same as writing it?

QV please:

Verbal plenary inspiration: This view gives a greater role to the human writers of the Bible while maintaining a belief that God preserved the integrity of the words of the Bible. The effect of inspiration was to move the writers so as to produce the words God wanted. In this view the human writers' "individual backgrounds, personal traits, and literary styles were authentically theirs, but had been providentially prepared by God for use as his instrument in producing Scripture." However, the theory nuances that "God so mysteriously superintended the process that every word written was also the exact word he wanted to be written—free from all error."

SOURCE

The doctrine is called: verbal plenary inspiration.