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Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

TLK Valentine

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Very funny, lol...

But seriously, this place is only here only so that some of us can become the best and highest versions of ourselves and go beyond this after this, etc, and that is the only reason it is even here, etc...

God Bless!

Says who?
 
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TLK Valentine

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Says logic and reasoning and deduction when you know the Truth and understand and know God...

Sounds like a whole lotta opinion to me.

But you got to play the "I know God and you don't" card, so I suppose verily, you have your reward.
 
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Says logic and reasoning and deduction when you know the Truth and understand and know God...

Going to bed for now...

Goodnight...

God Bless!

No possible vanity in declaring you know the Truth?
 
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No possible vanity in declaring you know the Truth?
You can accuse us of vanity for knowing the Truth, but if the Truth accuses you of vanity, you're in trouble.
 
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What kind of reasonable premise or premises do you think would be reasonable enough for you in this case that I am making, or am trying to make here, etc...?

And I also think you're just saying what you are saying as just another way of saying "it's not logical, because it's just not logical!" yet again, etc, as if that's just supposed to be the "end all and be all of it all", etc, which is not very reasonable or logical at all, etc...?

Which is just the exact same as those who say to me "It's heresy, just because it's just heresy!" and are thinking that should be the "end all and be all of it all" also, etc...?

Until I ask them "why" of course, or "how so", etc, and then they cannot give an answer, etc...

And you are, right now, just doing the very same, etc...

And I'm really not trying to present a case even, but just simply present a possibility, like I have already said, etc...

Look, why don't you just simply tell me what is not logical or reasonable about what I have been saying, or have just said, and/or how it directly contradicts basic simple human logic and/or reason, and let's just go or start from there, ok...?
The main problem is basing your argument on Genesis, which is not logical or rational, but a fantastical story. A secondary problem is that you have not shown how it relates to or solves the creation vs evolution problem, you've simply described the Genesis story and what follows in terms of flawed human nature.
 
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The main problem is basing your argument on Genesis, which is not logical or rational, but a fantastical story.
Didn't you just while about this:
Many believers interpret the bible according to their own priors (predispositions), effectively projecting their own truths onto it. Their reading is correct because it feels so right; it validates their personal truths.
Make up our minds, will you?
 
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"Reasonable Premise"...?

OK...? Well then you tell me how my previous statements are not logical...?

Because that is all a "logical/reasonable premise" is, etc...

So let's not get all "tripped up", over "mere words", etc, OK...

But let's just "shoot straight", and get "straight to the point", OK...

Because I think I have been being "very logical and/or reasonable", etc...
Unsubstantiated assertion is not logical or reasonable even if your prefix it with 'possibly'. See #126 for more.
 
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TLK Valentine

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You can accuse us of vanity for knowing the Truth, but if the Truth accuses you of vanity, you're in trouble.

So far, "the Truth" is looking about as effective as a glass hammer... and I'm not just talking about the ex-president's farcical foray into the social media industry...
 
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So far, "the Truth" is looking about as effective as a glass hammer...
What does that make the observer?

Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
 
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What does that make the observer?

Matthew 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Makes the observer someone who should take cover, because soon you'll have no recourse but to start dropping stones on people.
 
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Sounds like a whole lotta opinion to me.

But you got to play the "I know God and you don't" card, so I suppose verily, you have your reward.
I can help you know Him if you want...?

God Bless!
 
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No possible vanity in declaring you know the Truth?
I know most of it maybe, or a lot of it maybe, but there are still a few things/mysteries I am still trying to figure out, and/or am still working on, that He has yet to reveal to me fully yet, etc...

But what I do know about God and/or the Truth right now, goes way beyond what most of you guys know about it right now, etc...

And that's just "the truth", etc...

God Bless!
 
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The main problem is basing your argument on Genesis, which is not logical or rational, but a fantastical story. A secondary problem is that you have not shown how it relates to or solves the creation vs evolution problem, you've simply described the Genesis story and what follows in terms of flawed human nature.
I think I've described how it's very much logically possible, and doesn't conflict with science, and you guys can either take it or leave it, etc...

And you also still have yet to show me otherwise still also, other than just saying it is still also, etc...?

Which isn't a very valid or reasonable argument at all still also, etc...

Your just saying so still, etc...

Anyway, take it or leave it...

God Bless!
 
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I think I've described how it's very much logically possible, and doesn't conflict with science, and you guys can either take it or leave it, etc...

And you also still have yet to show me otherwise still also, other than just saying it is still also, etc...?

Which isn't a very valid or reasonable argument at all still also, etc...

Your just saying so still, etc...

Anyway, take it or leave it...

God Bless!
Try to bring up only what is maybe not logical or reasonable about it, or what actually does conflict with science in or about it, and maybe we can talk more about it maybe...?

But other than that, your just saying it is not very logical or reasable at all, or is a not a very valid theory/argument/proposal at all, and/or just because, or just because you say so, is not a very logical or reasonable argument to me at all, and I'm not going to respond to it, etc...

So tell me "how" or "how so" about it specifically, and maybe we can talk about it more maybe, etc, ok...?

God Bless!
 
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And this to all or any of you...

Tell me what it is specifically about my proposals here, and maybe about what I have said so far in this thread here, and maybe in my OP so far here maybe, or a in maybe a few posts after it maybe here maybe, that is not at least logically and reasonably possible in my theories/proposals so far here maybe, or that I have made so far here maybe, and let's talk about that or those maybe, etc, ok...?

Because otherwise, just saying they are not, does not make it so, and I'm not going to respond to it any more here, ok...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!
 
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And this to all or any of you...

Tell me what it is specifically about my proposals here, and maybe about what I have said so far in this thread here, and maybe in my OP so far here maybe, or a in maybe a few posts after it maybe here maybe, that is not at least logically and reasonably possible in my theories/proposals so far here maybe, or that I have made so far here maybe, and let's talk about that or those maybe, etc, ok...?

Because otherwise, just saying they are not, does not make it so, and I'm not going to respond to it any more here, ok...

Be Blessed.

God Bless!
To all:

Otherwise, or IOW's, I am inviting you to find holes in my original purposes/proposals/theories, and am inviting you/me/us to discuss them logically...

But if you cannot, then just saying they "are not" basically, just because they "are not" basically, is "ridiculous", and I'm not going to respond to those, ok...

God Bless!
 
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No, you can't. But it's the thought that counts.
I could if you were open to it/Him maybe...?

But thanks for mentioning that it's the thought that counts though anyway...

I appreciate that...

Peace.

God Bless!
 
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