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Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

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Well, this probably belongs in the ethics and morality forum, but, have you checked it out lately...?

And also the study of it itself in general, etc...?

Because to me it seems, we are only getting further and further away from knowing good from evil, etc, and most especially, "absolute good from absolute evil", etc...

And if we ever did ever get it all figured out for sure, and for absolutely sure ever either way I think, etc, I think we just might die, or maybe could just possibly die, etc...?

But since we seem to only be moving only further and further away from it right now, I guess we'll probably never know, etc, or at least, will not know anytime soon for sure, etc...

So it could have been a lie, etc...?

And I also don't know that it would even necessarily make us like God either; and/or even if we could either, etc...?

So it could have been a lie...?

I for one, think we should be thankful for our ignorance in that area right now maybe for one, etc...

Who knows what would happen to us or with us if we ever did get it all figured out for sure, etc...?

We might explode, or implode, or something, etc...?

Anyway, I for one thank God that we're not even anywhere close to it right now, etc...

And even think that our "morality" right now, is even much better-off right now because of it right now, etc...

It shows mercy, and makes exceptions, and shows compassion right now, for one, and doesn't just kill everyone, etc...

And I think that is pretty good place to be right now, until we do get it figured out, if we ever do, etc...

God Bless!
Did you guys know that Satan (or the serpent) initially got "permission" basically, from Adam, to deceive Eve...? Because it was actually Adam actually, who told the very first lie, etc...?

And was how the serpent was able to succeed in and with his deception with Eve, etc...?

But that Adam was not deceived, etc...?

But followed his wife...?

Interesting story really...?

You guys should look into it maybe, or maybe look it up sometime, etc...?

And I think it actually parallels what a lot of men do with their females, or with their wives even now today sometimes, etc...?

But then again, can you really blame them, etc...?

For literally loving them to death, or unto death, or unto the penalty of death, etc...?

After all, it is/was kind of their fault for lying to them about the tree, etc...?

Anyway, I digress...

God Bless!
 
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Did you guys know that Satan (or the serpent) initially got "permission" basically, from Adam, to deceive Eve...? Because it was actually Adam actually, who told the very first lie, etc...?

And was how the serpent was able to succeed in and with his deception with Eve, etc...?

But that Adam was not deceived, etc...?

But followed his wife...?

Interesting story really...?

You guys should look into it maybe, or maybe look it up sometime, etc...?

And I think it actually parallels what a lot of men do with their females, or with their wives even now today sometimes, etc...?

But then again, can you really blame them, etc...?

For literally loving them to death, or unto death, or unto the penalty of death, etc...?

After all, it is/was kind of their fault for lying to them about the tree, etc...?

Anyway, I digress...

God Bless!
And that after Adam ate the fruit, Adam, and not Eve, he gave his power and/or authority over the earth, over to the serpent that deceived Eve, etc...?

I'm reminded of a song: "They (or He) did it all for Love", etc...

But they really did really try to pass the blame around when God showed back up though, etc...

And I think some of that still goes on today, etc...

God Bless!
 
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And that after Adam ate the fruit, Adam, and not Eve, he gave his power and/or authority over the earth, over to the serpent that deceived Eve, etc...?
Yes.

God created the earth and gave dominion of it to Adam.

Adam turned it over to Satan.

Satan attempted to give it to Jesus, Who refused it.

Jesus will take it back by force when He comes back.

He will then turn it over to God the Father.

God will destroy it and make a new one.
 
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And that after Adam ate the fruit, Adam, and not Eve, he gave his power and/or authority over the earth, over to the serpent that deceived Eve, etc...?

I'm reminded of a song: "They (or He) did it all for Love", etc...

But they really did really try to pass the blame around when God showed back up though, etc...

And I think some of that still goes on today, etc...

God Bless!
Adam blamed God and the woman, and the woman blamed the serpent, and the serpent probably shrugged his shoulders and maybe said "I am what I am"... "If you lie, I am going to find an opening", etc... "And just do what I just naturally do, or do best", etc...

Probably why God cursed him, etc...

The serpent, etc...

But unfortunately, a curse had to fall on Adam and Eve and all those who came after them as well, etc...

Because they all disobeyed probably, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Yes.

God created the earth and gave dominion of it to Adam.

Adam turned it over to Satan.

Satan attempted to give it to Jesus, Who refused it.

Jesus will take it back by force when He comes back.

He will then turn it over to God the Father.

God will destroy it and make a new one.
Pretty much...

God Bless!
 
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When all was said and done, all three were found guilty and punished accordingly.
Thank God though, God had a plan to redeem mankind, etc, or humankind, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Thank God though, God had a plan to redeem mankind, etc, or humankind, etc...

God Bless!
But would it be able to save all of them, that is the question...?

The Bible seems to suggest not, but some might say otherwise, etc...

God Bless!
 
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The plan, etc...

Of offering them Jesus, or having Jesus as an offering, etc...

God Bless!
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It is a gift that has to be accepted free from the presence of pride, or with the absence of all pride, etc...

And some might not be able to accept it, etc...

God Bless!
 
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It is a gift that has to be accepted free from the presence of pride, or with the absence of all pride, etc...

And some might not be able to accept it, etc...

God Bless!
@AV1611VET

Pride is why the Devil cannot be redeemed, etc...

Same with his children, etc...

To say that they absolutely need Jesus to take their place, is beneath them, etc...

God Bless!
 
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And it's worked pretty well for us so far.

I don't think so, the world if you look around, is going crazy.
James 3:15
This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.


Actually, I would -- even a broken machine can give you insight as to how it works.
Here is an example, a friend of my husbands is a type 1 diabetic, the doctor called him saying to come in right away as they found blood in his urine. I forget what they thought, but it would have been serious had it been true. The blood was someone else's blood that had contaminated his sample. Never found out who or why but they ordered a new sample be taken immediately. The results from that contaminated sample were worthless and completely untrue.
The world can give incite into how it is now, how things work now. A wolf killing and eating its prey now gives no incite into how it lived as a herbivore before the fall. Things didn't just break leaving pieces behind, they changed and morphed into different ways of being.

Except we don't have all the answers -- we're looking for them. What do you gain from trying to stop us?

How am I stopping anyone? I don't think an old lady like myself has any power over scientists or anyone else for that matter. I am here to warn Christians, would be remiss of me not to. They can then take it or leave it.
Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;

You are looking for answers to a beginning that may as well be another planet. That is how much change has occurred. The world as it is now is not a key to the past, its only a key to now, to recent history going back a few thousand years.


Which has nothing to do with Eden, I'm sorry to tell you. Read it for your yourself and tell me where the lies were.

Eden is the very first contact between humanity and Satan.
Most times Satan will use a half truth or lead with an idea to engage the intellect. The most believable lies are based on some kind of truth that use the power of suggestion.
“Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
First words spoken were part truth with a suggestion.

She, like most people embellishes right back.
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."
Last part was a lie.


4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Second lie by Satan.
5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Third is truth mixed with lie.


It must infuriate you to no end that so few people are willing to take your word for it.

If you think that infuriates me shows you have no understanding of my position.
Do you not feel sadness and compassion for innocent children bombed in the Ukraine?
People dying in the second death causes me sadness but it's their choice if they would rather be obliterated then live on the new world.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I am obligated as a Christian to spread the gospel but once I have done that my obligation ends and theirs begins. I can't make someone have faith. That is between them and God.
 
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I don't think so, the world if you look around, is going crazy.
James 3:15
This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.

It was going crazy in Old Testament times; it was going crazy in New Testament times.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.


Here is an example, a friend of my husbands is a type 1 diabetic, the doctor called him saying to come in right away as they found blood in his urine. I forget what they thought, but it would have been serious had it been true. The blood was someone else's blood that had contaminated his sample. Never found out who or why but they ordered a new sample be taken immediately. The results from that contaminated sample were worthless and completely untrue.

Someone in the lab made a mistake. Humans are fallible, but on the plus side, they caught it.

Meanwhile, were it not or medical science, that friend of your husband's would've died years ago. As it is, he knows what his condition is, what causes it, and what he needs to do in order to keep from keeling over from diabetic nephropathy.

On the flip side, Diabetes is the ninth leading cause of death in the world, and yet there is nothing in the Revealed Word of God regarding Diabetes (type 1 or 2). Furthermore, I'll bet that you and/or your friend have prayed for his miraculous deliverance from this affliction, and I'll bet double-or-nothing he's still a type 1 diabetic. Science - 1, Fundamentalism - 0.

As @AV1611VET wants to say, "THANKS FOR THE QED. ;)"


The world can give incite into how it is now, how things work now. A wolf killing and eating its prey now gives no incite into how it lived as a herbivore before the fall. Things didn't just break leaving pieces behind, they changed and morphed into different ways of being.

"Insight," first of all.
Second, you have nothing but a hypothesis that wolves were ever herbivores, and a hypothesis is not a conclusion. You're doing it backwards...

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... as usual always.

How am I stopping anyone? I don't think an old lady like myself has any power over scientists or anyone else for that matter. I am here to warn Christians, would be remiss of me not to. They can then take it or leave it.

"Warning" implies some sort of danger which does not exist, so try not to be too disappointed when they leave it in droves.

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that you shall do: Speak the truth to one another; render in your gates judgments that are true and make for peace;



Are your judgments actually true, or do you think they are?

... or do you just want them to be?

You are looking for answers to a beginning that may as well be another planet. That is how much change has occurred. The world as it is now is not a key to the past, its only a key to now, to recent history going back a few thousand years.

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...and there are plenty of people who would rather see some facts.

Eden is the very first contact between humanity and Satan.
Most times Satan will use a half truth or lead with an idea to engage the intellect. The most believable lies are based on some kind of truth that use the power of suggestion.
“Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
First words spoken were part truth with a suggestion.

Except, once again, the serpent was not Satan.

Fact: The Book of Genesis was written by the Jews, for the Jews.
Fact: For the Jews, "Satan" was an angel who reported human delinquencies to God -- not "The Devil" per se, because...
Fact: Judaism doesn't believe in Satan as "the Devil." Jewish theology sees "evil" as an abstraction, with no need for an omnimalevolent personification.

After all, the only times Satan is presented in the Old Testament is during Job and Zechariah -- and both times, he is presented as a loyal employee of the Most High...

She, like most people embellishes right back.
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."
Last part was a lie.

We don't know if she was lying -- after all, God warned Adam before Eve was even created... so we don't know who warned Eve or what the warning was.

Besides, "lying" implies some sort of evil intent, and Eve had no knowledge of evil... not yet. ;)

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Second lie by Satan.

No lie; they didn't die.

5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Third is truth mixed with lie.

Where's the lie? Genesis 3:7 says it happened, word for word.

If you think that infuriates me shows you have no understanding of my position.
Do you not feel sadness and compassion for innocent children bombed in the Ukraine?

Why single out the children? I feel sadness and compassion for everyone bombed, shot, blasted, and otherwise harmed in the Ukraine.

My sadness and compassion even extends to those Russians who are not there by choice:

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This image is supposedly (I don't know if it's true) of a Russian soldier who surrendered to the Ukrainians at the first opportunity, being offered food, tea, and a video chat with his mother.

Again, I don't know if it's real or Ukrainian propaganda, but if it is real, does he not deserve compassion as well?

Matthew 5:44
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you


Let's see Christians focus at least as much on this sort of thing as they seem to about whether or not we evolved (Spoiler: we did).

People dying in the second death causes me sadness but it's their choice if they would rather be obliterated then live on the new world.

Does it now?

I am obligated as a Christian to spread the gospel but once I have done that my obligation ends and theirs begins. I can't make someone have faith. That is between them and God.

I wasn't aware that creationism was a Gospel unto itself -- but honestly, I always kind of suspected...
 
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