A few questions for Protestants

[renniks]

Oh, so "the fullness of Christ" is an emotion?

And how come some churches have "the fullness of Christ" and some don't? What makes the difference?

The Holy Spirit isn't an emotion. He certainly can cause emotional experiences however.
"Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’"

Is your church full of people who are born again or people who are only following rituals, thinking that's the way to get to heaven because that's what thier denomination teaches?

 

[Fidelibus]

Is your church full of people who are born again or people who are only following rituals, thinking that's the way to get to heaven because that's what thier denomination teaches?

Again renniks, irrelevant and off topic. This is a thread for non-Protestants to ask Bible alone believing Protestants questions of their church's or sects' beliefs and teachings. If you want to ask Catholics questions of our beliefs, or any other non-Protestant church or sect for that matter, start your own thread to do so.

This is probably the second or third time I have asked this of you. Not sure why you keep disregarding my wishes.


Thank You.
Have a Blessed Day!

 

[renniks]

Again renniks, irrelevant and off topic. This is a thread for non-Protestants to ask Bible alone believing Protestants questions of their church's or sects' beliefs and teachings. If you want to ask Catholics questions of our beliefs, or any other non-Protestant church or sect for that matter, start your own thread to do so.

This is probably the second or third time I have asked this of you. Not sure why you keep disregarding my wishes.


Thank You.
Have a Blessed Day!

Well as a biblical protestant, I am responding. And like my Savior, I find questions are often the best answers.

 

[Fidelibus]

Well as a biblical protestant, I am responding. And like my Savior, I find questions are often the best answers.

Jesus you are not. Please respect my thread. If you cannot, please refrain from posting

 

[renniks]

Jesus you are not. Please respect my thread. If you cannot, please refrain from posting

What is disrespectful about asking honest questions?

 

[timothyu]

Well as a biblical protestant, I am responding. And like my Savior, I find questions are often the best answers.

Curious. Were questions in return allowed during the Inquisition?

 

[renniks]

Curious. Were questions in return allowed during the Inquisition?

Ouch.

 

[Davy]

Under the Protestant/Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) theological system, is it your belief, and would you agree, there exists no person or no institution that can infallibly decide what is true and what is false for Christians when it comes to matters of faith and/or morals?

If you happen to answer yes to this question, my next question would be.... under this theological system, would you agree there is no sure way you could have absolute assurance of anything you believe being true? In other words, there is no way of knowing the truth?

Yet, Jesus says, "Know the truth and the truth will set make you free." (John 8:32)

So, let me leave you with this last question: For a Christian, what is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth? Is it the Bible? Yes or no?

Have a Blessed day!

In what sense did God say through Isaiah? ...

Isa 2:22
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
KJV

Pretty obvious per God's Own Word that man is accountable to HIM, and not a system devised 'by' men. Lord Jesus ENDED the Levitical priesthood of the old covenant system upon His cross when the veil of the Holy of Holies was torn asunder. Why do 'some' men try to put that veil back up, violating God's Own Word?

 

[Fidelibus]

Curious. Were questions in return allowed during the Inquisition?

Said the fella that didn't have "the sand" to answer the questions on post # 852.

Besides, I highly doubt the many Catholic priests, Monks, sisters religious, and lay people were allowed questions before being ordered to renounce their Catholic faith before being burned, hung, drawn, quartered, and emasculated during the Protestant Inquisition after the Reformation.

And since this is a thread to ask Protestants such as yourself questions, how many Catholics do you believe were killed/ during the Protestant Inquisition? Also, how many Catholic Churches, monasteries, and convents were destroyed and plundered by the Protestants during the Protestant Inquisitions?

Have a Blessed Day!

 

[Fidelibus]

Ouch.

Said the other fella that didn't have "the sand" to answer the questions on post # 838.

As for your snarky "Ouch" remark, I am pretty sure during the Salem witch trials in the 17th century, those accused of being witches, and were slandered and denied rights before being burned alive by Protestants screamed out a lot more than just "Ouch."

Have a Blessed Day!

 

[Fidelibus]

What is disrespectful about asking honest questions?

Wow!! Just having to ask the originator of a thread, that politely asked you to stay on topic a question like this speaks volumes. Sheesh!

 

[Fidelibus]

In what sense did God say through Isaiah? ...

Isa 2:22
22 Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?
KJV

Pretty obvious per God's Own Word that man is accountable to HIM, and not a system devised 'by' men. Lord Jesus ENDED the Levitical priesthood of the old covenant system upon His cross when the veil of the Holy of Holies was torn asunder. Why do 'some' men try to put that veil back up, violating God's Own Word?

You must not have seen this question because I don't see where you addressed it.

For a Christian, what is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth? Is it the Bible? Yes or no?

Have a Blessed day!

 

[renniks]

Wow!! Just having to ask the originator of a thread, that politely asked you to stay on topic a question like this speaks volumes. Sheesh!

I guess I'm not getting an answer then?

 

[Fidelibus]

I guess I'm not getting an answer then?

Lol! This from coming you
is hilarious!

 

[renniks]

Since this is a thread for non-Protestants to question Protestants about their beliefs and teachings of Protestantism, be it from whatever denomination, non-denomination, church, or sect it may be. In doing so, I'd like to rehash a post I directed to a few of our prominent Protestant posters. Those being Albion, timothyu, YeshuaFan, and pescador.

I am referring to my post on Page 37, post # 739 where I, as a non-Protestant took notice of the four of you Protestant, Bible alone believing (sola scriptura adherents) obviously in disagreement regarding certain bible passages. The passages being, Matt. 16:19, 1 Tim. 3:15, and the true meaning of the term "The Way" as mentioned in scripture. These disagreements of yours I speak of can be found in pages 35-37 of this very thread.

In this post, I asked some questions, not exactly sure how many, maybe 7, 8, 10 questions. I will go ahead and repost the entire post here in quotations for you to refer too if you'd like.



I will post some of the key questions separately, but in the same order found in the original post. (With minor edits for space saving) Those questions being:

1. Why, if you are studying, learning believing from the same bible, are you have such different interpretations and beliefs in these scripture passages?

2. When you all study, read, and learn from the bible, are you not doing so under the guidance of the Holy Spirit?

3. When you all post your interpretations, beliefs, and understandings of scripture, is it your belief you are doing so under the guidance and truth from the Holy Spirit?

4. Would you all would agree there is no way the Holy Spirit would teach you error, there is only one truth?

5. Which one of you has the truth, and which of you do not?

6. Is it you that has the truth Albion? Or is it you timothyu that has the truth? Hmm.... maybe it's you pescador that has the truth? Could it be YeshuaFan has the truth?

7. So.....the big question to you all is..... if you can't agree which one of you is correct, and the others are not, to whom or what can you turn to make that decision?

However, I will say that our friend Albion tried to respond with a weak attempt, but never did answer any of the questions I listed above. This can be seen in posts # 805,807, and 815 for confirmation. It would be my appreciation if the rest of you were to show more sand by answering these questions. Something the poster mentioned seems to lack.

Thank you in advance!

The trouble with your whole line of questions is that they all assume that we hear the Spirit perfectly and that the goal of the Spirit is to cause everyone of us to believe exactly the same on every doctrine. I don't believe having the fullness of the Spirit is even about having perfect doctrine. And of course, the same questions could be applied to all the people who are Catholics but actually disagree with or are ignorant of many or most of the RCC doctrines. Are they all led by the Spirit? I know, you think the Church itself has perfect doctrines, but the Bible never promises that.

 

[Valletta]

The trouble with your whole line of questions is that they all assume that we hear the Spirit perfectly and that the goal of the Spirit is to cause everyone of us to believe exactly the same on every doctrine. I don't believe having the fullness of the Spirit is even about having perfect doctrine. And of course, the same questions could be applied to all the people who are Catholics but actually disagree with or are ignorant of many or most of the RCC doctrines. Are they all led by the Spirit? I know, you think the Church itself has perfect doctrines, but the Bible never promises that.

The Church came before the Bible, it was the Catholic Church that chose the 73 books of the Bible. The Bible makes no promises, it is a book, a collection of God-breathed texts. Jesus is Truth, there is only one Truth.

 

[Buzzard3]

What good is doctrinal truth if it doesn't change the individual?

Your question is irrelevant to my point, which is Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us to “all truth” (John 16:13), so that “all truth” must exist somewhere in this world and be accessible. I find your comment ignorant and offensive.

To claim your church is doctrinally pure while it is morally corrupt is like saying that the outside of the cup looks good but the inside is full of rotten bones.

Firstly, I didn’t know the Catholic Church is “morally corrupt” and “full of rotten bones”. Every church contains sinners ... if fact, we're all sinners.

Secondly, the fact that some individual Catholics have sinned in terrible ways doesn’t mean the Holy Spirit has not led the Catholic Church - as an institution - to “all truth” as promised by Jesus in John 16:13.
To extend your logic would be to claim that the Bible isn’t “all truth” because the writers of the Bible were all sinners.
The teaching authority of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church -as the vehicle for conveying “all truth” - was promised by Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit and does not require all members of the Church to be perfect and sinless.

 

[Buzzard3]

Jesus is the way and the truth. A church that gets in the way of people coming directly to Jesus is blocking the truth. Putting priests in between, putting prayers to a mere person in between, losing people in the rituals instead of leading them to the cross.

Your opinion of the Catholic Church is pretty funny ... thanks for the laugh.

...did you ever think that perhaps all truth here isn't about the doctrines that aren't central, but about something much deeper? The heart of God isn't for us to understand him perfectly, but to know him intimately.

In other words, you don’t believe Jesus when he promised that the Holy Spirit will lead us to “all truth” (John 16:13). Now that in turn begs the question: Why trust Jesus if he doesn’t keep his promise?

 

[Buzzard3]

the sola scriptura model for testing all doctrine and practice - that I use - places the Bible as the thing that tests - since it is the work of God the Holy Spirit and in perfect harmony with Christ's teaching. In fact Christ is the one speaking at Sinai according to Heb 8:6-12

Yeah right … they all say that, including nutters like David Koresh and every other fruitcake cult-leader in history ... not to mention the millions of other “Bible-believing” Christians who each claim that the "Holy Spirit" is infallibly guiding them.

Why should I believe that your method is the “work of God the Holy Spirit and in perfect harmony with Christ’s teaching”? For all I know, you could be one of the “ignorant and unstable” who “twist (the Scriptures) to their own destruction” (2Peter 3:16).

 

[Buzzard3]

you think the Church itself has perfect doctrines, but the Bible never promises that.

Yes it does ... in John 16:13 (for starters), Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us to "all truth". You find this verse hard to accept because you look at your Protestant world as see that it's a maelstrom of doctrinal confusion.