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Brother, here is an animation to help visualize the relationship between the distance to the International Date Line and the prior Sabbath in the evening before the seventh day of the week in the morning in Jerusalem.
Thanks for the animation, but I still don't understand.Brother, here is an animation to help visualize the relationship between the distance to the International Date Line and the prior Sabbath in the evening before the seventh day of the week in the morning in Jerusalem.
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
So is that a Yes, the Sabbath that starts at sunset in Jerusalem is not the start of the seventh day?
Brother, yes! That is the message of Hebrews 3 and 4: keeping the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, as they did for 40 years with Manna in the desert, does not enter God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation. The Sabbath is the seventh day in Eden, but not in the Promised Land, where it falls 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.
Okay... When does the 7th Day start in Jerusalem?Brother, yes! That is the message of Hebrews 3 and 4: keeping the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land, as they did for 40 years with Manna in the desert, does not enter God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation. The Sabbath is the seventh day in Eden, but not in the Promised Land, where it falls 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, the seventh day begins at sunrise in Jerusalem! The evidence is found in the creation week of Genesis. All the days of creation end in what God called "night" from "evening" to "morning" because they begin with what God called "day" from "morning "to "evening". An "evening" can only occur after the light. Before the light there was "darkness" and not an "evening", those are different words that are not interchangeable. The "evening" of the first day occurred after first light and falls in the middle of the first day. Making the days of creation from morning till morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.
Brother, in Eden the Sabbath falls on the seventh day of the week! In Eden, both the Sabbath and the Seventh day of the week begin in the morning. The separation of beginning the Sabbath before the seventh day of the week is zero in Eden, placing Eden on the International Date Line on the map below with the numbers above and below. In the Promised Land, the Sabbath falls 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land. The Sabbath starts from zero to 23 hours before the seventh day of the week on the map below. The numbers above and below the map indicate how long the Sabbath falls before the seventh day of the week.
Okay, now... I think I see some issues with trying to match up sunrise in Eden with sunset in Jerusalem. Are you interested in talking about more details?Brother, in Eden the Sabbath falls on the seventh day of the week! In Eden, both the Sabbath and the Seventh day of the week begin in the morning. The separation of beginning the Sabbath before the seventh day of the week is zero in Eden, placing Eden on the International Date Line on the map below with the numbers above and below. In the Promised Land, the Sabbath falls 10 hours before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land. The Sabbath starts from zero to 23 hours before the seventh day of the week on the map below. The numbers above and below the map indicate how long the Sabbath falls before the seventh day of the week.
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, yes! Let's get into the details. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, yes, that is correct. In my animation we have a 10 hour "night" and a corresponding 14 hour "day": 10 + 14 = 24-hour weekday. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Okay, now... If I understand right about how sunrise and sunset changes throughout the year,
Brother, I think you are right. I consider extreme values as the important numbers that give us the distance in opposite directions. In the event that it is at the other extreme, I say that it represents the longest route from Jerusalem to the International Date Line in the other direction. In that case, I take the inverse: 24 - 14 = 10 to get the shortest route from the longest route in the other direction. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
in a Jewish method of looking at days, Jesus rose the day after Sabbath. The moment the sunsets is the onset of the new day. Genesis also shows us the same order as each day is ordered the same "And there was evening, and there was morning" which follows the same order of the light which is spoken into darkness. The darkness preexisted the light but the light overcomes it. this is a powerful metaphor and it is important that the order remains the same because when we come to Christ we are in darkness and light then transforms us. If it were light first then darkness this falls apart and the order is confusing and has no spiritual impact not to mention taking away from the prophetic. Light is spoken into darkness and that is a theme throughout the bible. There is an abstract level where you're right that the light is first because God is light and God is eternally preexisting. The creation account doesn't draw upon these ideas and perhaps they were too abstract for an ancient audience, instead, the state of the earth before the light is spoken is said to be formless, empty, and dark. This is a state of unrest and chaos not a state of rest and peace. Then God speaks light and a transformation happens that ends in complete rest and peace by day 7. This is such a powerful metaphor that I cannot dismiss the order and I would argue saying light is first is counter-gospel and without purpose.
According to the OP Jesus and the Apostles and the Jewish nation and the bible does not know what day the Sabbath is or when it really started except the OP
Brother, all the days of creation end in what God called "night" from "evening" to "morning" because they begin with what God called "day" from "morning "to "evening". An "evening" can only occur after the light. Before the light there was "darkness" and not an "evening", those are different words that are not interchangeable. The word of God reveals that the Earth existed before the creation week. Everything that is before the light is before the creation week, an unspecified time before. The "evening" of the first day occurred after first light and falls in the middle of the first day. Making the days of creation from morning till morning, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.
Brother, the angel told us what we will learn after learning "what even is". We will learn "when it is"! Even falls in the middle of the first day and not as supposed was at the beginning because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not as supposed a day of the week. Note that the angel speaks positively that we will "understand, but not yet, not yet". God helped our church understand the longest time to make this correction by holding an incorrect hour for more than 8 years before doing the Bible study to learn more.
Brother, on the sixth day they prepared twice as much to keep it until "tomorrow" to eat it in the "morning". Clearly stated by Moses, divided is "tomorrow" from "today" on the "morning" of the seventh day. Moses tells them in the "morning" of the seventh day to eat “today” what they saved for "tomorrow" until the "morning". Clearly stated by Moses, divided is "tomorrow" from "today" in the morning.
