Are different Sabbaths true?

[guevaraj]

Brothers and Sisters, that both are true was never considered in Amanda’s paper! Prejudices when reading the Bible prevent us from seeing a greater truth. When both truths have evidence, her paper mistakenly rejects one truth for the other, saying that one truth has “weak” support, when overlooked is that both are true because both have support. The following paper assumed that both together cannot be true when God’s word shows that both are true. One overlooked fact when comparing the two lists of evidence is that they are talking about different things: the first list, titled: Morning-Theory Texts, talks about the day of the week, while the second list, titled: Evening-Theory Texts, talks about the Sabbath, and the focus is not on a day of the week as in the first list. Both are true together when waived is the human assumption that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden. The greater truth includes both examples of when the Sabbath begins. Summarized are both truths below:

1. The Sabbath in Eden begins at sunrise and ends at sunrise.
2. The Sabbath in Israel begins at sundown and ends at sundown.

To choose one truth and discard the other is to take your favorite parts and discard what does not fit, when the full truth is only found when you have used the entire word of God and not just a part. What the author did not consider is that there is evidence from both truths and that the greater truth must fit all the evidence. I include below the part of her conclusion that I object to.

Clearly, the evidence shows that the morning theory is weak if it uses Gen 1:5 as its foundation. The rest of the biblical data is inconclusive as to when the Jewish day begins, though the texts that we have examined either support the evening theory or only weakly support the morning theory. (J. Amanda McGuire, page 214)​

Our faith is trust in what God says! The author helped by gathering all the evidence for both truths, but because she assumes that only one truth is correct and the other is incorrect, she weakens our confidence in God’s word. She used the word “weakly” to decrease support for one truth, acknowledging that there is support, but setting aside what she considers weak support for the other truth. The whole truth is found when you accept both truths together. In the following passage warned are we that people will tend to ignore the truth in favor of what they “desire”, this is how traditions remain even after God's word clearly corrects them.

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Joyous Song]

Brothers and Sisters, that both are true was never considered in Amanda’s paper! Prejudices when reading the Bible prevent us from seeing a greater truth. When both truths have evidence, her paper mistakenly rejects one truth for the other, saying that one truth has “weak” support, when overlooked is that both are true because both have support. The following paper assumed that both together cannot be true when God’s word shows that both are true. The greater truth includes both examples of when the Sabbath begins. Summarized are both truths below:

1. The Sabbath in Eden begins at sunrise and ends at sunrise.
2. The Sabbath in Israel begins at sundown and ends at sundown.

To choose one truth and discard the other is to take your favorite parts and discard what does not fit, when the full truth is only found when you have used the entire word of God and not just a part. What the author did not consider is that there is evidence from both truths and that the greater truth must fit all the evidence. I include below the part of her conclusion that I object to.

Clearly, the evidence shows that the morning theory is weak if it uses Gen 1:5 as its foundation. The rest of the biblical data is inconclusive as to when the Jewish day begins, though the texts that we have examined either support the evening theory or only weakly support the morning theory. (J. Amanda McGuire, page 214)​

Our faith is trust in what God says! The author helped by gathering all the evidence for both truths, but because she assumes that only one truth is correct and the other is incorrect, she weakens our confidence in God’s word. She used the word “weakly” to decrease support for one truth, acknowledging that there is support, but setting aside what she considers weak support for the other truth. The whole truth is found when you accept both truths together. In the following passage warned are we that people will tend to ignore the truth in favor of what they “desire”, this is how traditions remain even after God's word clearly corrects them.

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. (2 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

JS: The reason for the Jewish people to order the "day" staring with the evening and ending with the day ends is because Genesis states clearly even after G-d created light, "And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." Indeed each day ends this way right up to Shabbos.

The reason Christians celebrate The L-rd's Day Shabbos evening (6:00) to Sunday evening (6:00) as well. They lock it into one time span (likely tied to Easter) while Judah's moves with the actual sunset and sun rise. Some Christians go from sun up to sun down as a day. This matches older practices before they came to Christ.

 

[guevaraj]

JS: The reason for the Jewish people to order the "day" staring with the evening and ending with the day ends is because Genesis states clearly even after G-d created light, "And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." Indeed each day ends this way right up to Shabbos.

Brother, from evening to morning, it's only half a day. The night-half that ends each day with God not having anything to report because He only creates each day of creation week during the earlier light-half from morning to evening. Each day ends with a night in which God rests from having created earlier for that day during the light-half. The evening comes in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning. The first day is from first light to light again in the morning. The reason this is not accepted is because supposed it is that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week as it was in Eden. The Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week and actually falls between two days of the week in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

The reason Christians celebrate The L-rd's Day Shabbos evening (6:00) to Sunday evening (6:00) as well. They lock it into one time span (likely tied to Easter) while Judah's moves with the actual sunset and sun rise. Some Christians go from sun up to sun down as a day. This matches older practices before they came to Christ.

When you understand that a day of the week defined by God is from morning to morning in the Bible, you learn that Jesus rose a Saturday night, before Sunday began in the morning. This removes the reason to keep the human Sunday tradition to celebrate the resurrection because Jesus rose on Saturday and not on Sunday.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” (John 20:1-2 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Joyous Song]

Brother, from evening to morning, it's only half a day. The night-half that ends each day with God not having anything to report because He only creates each day of creation week during the earlier light-half from morning to evening. Each day ends with a night in which God rests from having created earlier for that day during the light-half. The evening comes in the middle of the first day and not at the beginning. The first day is from first light to light again in the morning. The reason this is not accepted is because supposed it is that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week as it was in Eden. The Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week and actually falls between two days of the week in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

When you understand that a day of the week defined by God is from morning to morning in the Bible, you learn that Jesus rose a Saturday night, before Sunday began in the morning. This removes the reason to keep the human Sunday tradition to celebrate the resurrection because Jesus rose on Saturday and not on Sunday.

Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” (John 20:1-2 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

JS: you replied , "Brother, from evening to morning, it's only half a day." actually evening starts at Sun down so they reasoned G-d started each of His days at sundown then day must start at sundown. Well if all days (all six) started at sundown they had to end at sun set even if HaShem finished His work each day at dawn.

 

[guevaraj]

JS: you replied , "Brother, from evening to morning, it's only half a day." actually evening starts at Sun down so they reasoned G-d started each of His days at sundown then day must start at sundown. Well if all days (all six) started at sundown they had to end at sun set even if HaShem finished His work each day at dawn.

Brother, they didn't have to reason because God gave them specific instructions to keep the Sabbath in Israel. For those who think that the beginning of the first day is more important than its end, God corrects that thought by emphasizing the end of the Sabbath and not the beginning when He begins the Sabbath the day before. God began the Sabbath of the tenth day in the ninth day: from the evening of the previous day until the evening of the Sabbath day. When you understand that the Sabbath ends as it begins, with two evenings, God's decision to begin the tenth-day-Sabbath on the ninth day puts the emphasis on the end of the first day and not the beginning of the first day.

The Lord said to Moses, “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord. Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the Lord your God. Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:26-32 NIV)​

The first day ends in a morning, telling us that it begins in a morning when you understand that a 24-hour Sabbath ends as it begins. Why didn't God make things easier for us by writing a first day from morning to morning instead of from first light until morning? God is right in what He writes! The word morning is not used at the beginning of the first day because it happened faster than the meaning of the word morning. The first change from darkness to light was faster than the word morning, but all other days after are from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Joyous Song]

Brother, they didn't have to reason because God gave them specific instructions to keep the Sabbath in Israel. For those who think that the beginning of the first day is more important than its end, God corrects that thought by emphasizing the end of the Sabbath and not the beginning when He begins the Sabbath the day before. God began the Sabbath of the tenth day in the ninth day: from the evening of the previous day until the evening of the Sabbath day. When you understand that the Sabbath ends as it begins, with two evenings, God's decision to begin the tenth-day-Sabbath on the ninth day puts the emphasis on the end of the first day and not the beginning of the first day.

The Lord said to Moses, “The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the Lord. Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the Lord your God. Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:26-32 NIV)​

The first day ends in a morning, telling us that it begins in a morning when you understand that a 24-hour Sabbath ends as it begins. Why didn't God make things easier for us by writing a first day from morning to morning instead of from first light until morning? God is right in what He writes! The word morning is not used at the beginning of the first day because it happened faster than the meaning of the word morning. The first change from darkness to light was faster than the word morning, but all other days after are from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

JS:

Shalom Jorge,

I honestly do not understand how you drew this last conclusion from Lev,23.26-32. From the EVENING on the ninth to the FOLLOWING EVENING ends at sun set!

Indeed a day is evening to morning, according to four thousand years of testimony by the rabbis To over turn such a large testimony of Scholarship you would certainly need a much stronger argument than drawing solely from Genesis 1 of which they are certainly familiar with.

Every law where Shabbos is mentioned a full day is required and holidays such as Yom Kippur above stipulate very clearly exactly what a full day is (“On the tenth DAY”)! Therefore I will keep Hahalach of Shabbos as my ancestors did under grace, because by doing so I am identified as a part of Israel.

However if you are not under the laws of Israel (thus seeking no such identity), then you can keep Shabbos whatever way you want to or not at all as Paul said:

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to festival or a moon or Sabbath. These are just shadows of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Col.3.16-17





The why and the how of Shabbos is but a shadow of what HaShem planned and thus keeping this outside of Israel is no longer necessary though settling aside one day of rest is wise.

 

[guevaraj]

Indeed a day is evening to morning

Brother, from evening to morning, it is only the first half of a Sabbath in Israel. A full Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening and does not stop midway in the morning. If you read Amanda's paper, overlooked is the fact that when comparing the two lists of evidence is that they are talking about different things: the first list, titled: Morning-Theory Texts, talks about the day of the week, while the second list, titled: Evening-Theory Texts, talks about the Sabbath, and the focus is not on a day of the week as in the first list. Both are true together when the human assumption is given up that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden. The same God who inspired the writing of Genesis also inspired the writing of Leviticus. The Sabbath in Israel begins the same as the end of the first day in Genesis, but ends differently. If one is 24 hours, the other is only half that time, what God called the 12 hours of the night that ends each day of creation week.

It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 NIV)​

The above passage of a Sabbath in Israel is 24 hours from evening to evening, but the end of the first day of creation below is only the first half of the Sabbath in Israel above, the half that God called the night that ends each creation day, with God having nothing to report during that time because He creates during the earlier light-half of the days of creation and rests each night.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Joyous Song]

Brother, from evening to morning, it is only the first half of a Sabbath in Israel. A full Sabbath in Israel is from evening to evening and does not stop midway in the morning. If you read Amanda's paper, overlooked is the fact that when comparing the two lists of evidence is that they are talking about different things: the first list, titled: Morning-Theory Texts, talks about the day of the week, while the second list, titled: Evening-Theory Texts, talks about the Sabbath, and the focus is not on a day of the week as in the first list. Both are true together when the human assumption is given up that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden. The same God who inspired the writing of Genesis also inspired the writing of Leviticus. The Sabbath in Israel begins the same as the end of the first day in Genesis, but ends differently. If one is 24 hours, the other is only half that time, what God called the 12 hours of the night that ends each day of creation week.

It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 NIV)​

The above passage of a Sabbath in Israel is 24 hours from evening to evening, but the end of the first day of creation below is only the first half of the Sabbath in Israel above, the half that God called the night that ends each creation day, with God having nothing to report during that time because He creates during the earlier light-half of the days of creation and rests each night.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

JS: you wrote: Brother, from evening to morning, it is only the first half of a Sabbath in Israel

That was a typo it should have read, evening to evening, but some how I took his statement and transposed it into my own. I fixed it now so hope the post makes more sense now and sorry for the mistake.

 

[Joyous Song]

JS:

Shalom Jorge,

I honestly do not understand how you drew this last conclusion from Lev,23.26-32. From the EVENING on the ninth to the FOLLOWING EVENING ends at sun set!

Indeed a day is evening to evening, according to four thousand years of testimony by the rabbis To over turn such a large testimony of Scholarship you would certainly need a much stronger argument than drawing solely from Genesis 1 of which they are certainly familiar with.

Every law where Shabbos is mentioned a full day is required and holidays such as Yom Kippur above stipulate very clearly exactly what a full day is (“On the tenth DAY”)! Therefore I will keep Hahalach of Shabbos as my ancestors did under grace, because by doing so I am identified as a part of Israel.

However if you are not under the laws of Israel (thus seeking no such identity), then you can keep Shabbos whatever way you want to or not at all as Paul said:

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to festival or a moon or Sabbath. These are just shadows of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Col.3.16-17





The why and the how of Shabbos is but a shadow of what HaShem planned and thus keeping this outside of Israel is no longer necessary though settling aside one day of rest is wise.

 

[guevaraj]

Indeed a day is evening to evening

Brother, evening to evening is a Sabbath in Israel and not a day of the week according to the Bible. A Sabbath in Israel falls between two days of the week which are from morning to morning. That is what the following text reveals in the Bible. Rejected is God's word in this next passage because supposed by human thought it is that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week when the Bible reveals the Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week. We have put human thought above the word of God.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

The Sabbath is not a "shadow" to replace because it was established in creation week before sin entered our world. Before sin God made the seventh day "holy". I have learned in these last days what it means for God to make a "holy" time. When God made the seventh day "holy", He set the Sabbath in that time zone.

Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:27-28 NIV)​

The only 24-hour period outside of the normal biblical day of the week from morning to morning is the Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening. The Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week, but something separated from the week when God made the seventh day of creation "holy" that Judaism did not understand when it assumed that it was the seventh day of the week in Israel as it was in Eden. The first passage above affirms that from evening to morning is the “night” half that ends each day of creation that began with the light-half. I have highlighted the pattern in red from “light” to “morning” equivalent to a 24-hour period exemplified in the Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening which in the case of the creation week is from morning to morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

FYI The SDA church believes Sabbath is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

I know its confusing because this OP claims to be SDA, but the SDA church believes in the Biblical times of the Sabbath from evening to evening. Just want to clear that up in case it confuses someone about the SDA beliefs.

OP- you do not need to reply back to my post, this is an FYI to others reading.

 

[guevaraj]

I know its confusing because this OP claims to be SDA, but the SDA church believes in the Biblical times of the Sabbath from evening to evening. Just want to clear that up in case it confuses someone about the SDA beliefs.

Sister, have you read Amanda’s paper? What is your response to the following evidence about the "night" that comes after the "day" as the correct order of the two halves called by God the first day of the creation week in Genesis? Are you willing to renounce the human tradition that a Sabbath in Israel is a day of the week when the Bible reveals that the Sabbath in Israel is not a day of the week as it was in Eden? God will reward you for taking His word seriously by revealing the International Date Line as the site of Eden.

The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” (Genesis 19:34 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Hi Jorge, my man!

I don't understand when you say this in a different thread:

Eden falls on the true International Date Line (IDL) because God taught our first parents to count the days with the week to remember the Sabbath!

Where is Eden located?

Where is the true international date line?

 

[Torah Keeper]

I think I know who voted both statements are true.

 

[guevaraj]

I don't understand when you say this in a different thread:

Eden falls on the true International Date Line (IDL) because God taught our first parents to count the days with the week to remember the Sabbath!

Brother, the Sabbath in Judaism verifies that God was with us from the beginning, because only someone at the beginning could set up the International Date Line recorded in the Sabbath. Judaism does not like where it is because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not a day of the week as assumed since Joshua as God tells us in Hebrews 3 and 4.

Where is Eden located?

Thanks to the website "islamicfinder.org" which provides sunrise times for all areas of the world, I have found an island, Rekareka, with a sunrise just one minute before sunset in Israel. This places Eden's Longitude @ 145.092069º W as the site of our origin where God taught us to count the days with the week. This island happens to fall near the International Date Line (IDL) where islands have flipped sides to favor trade with other nations.

Where is the true international date line?

The true International Date Line (IDL) is where the sun rises on Earth when the Sabbath begins in the Promise Land because the days of the week are from sunrise to sunrise, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the Sabbath in Judaism verifies that God was with us from the beginning, because only someone at the beginning could set up the International Date Line recorded in the Sabbath. Judaism does not like where it is because the Sabbath in the Promised Land is not a day of the week as assumed since Joshua as God tells us in Hebrews 3 and 4.

Thanks to the website "islamicfinder.org" which provides sunrise times for all areas of the world, I have found an island, Rekareka, with a sunrise just one minute before sunset in Israel. This places Eden's Longitude @ 145.092069º W as the site of our origin where God taught us to count the days with the week. This island happens to fall near the International Date Line (IDL) where islands have flipped sides to favor trade with other nations.

The true International Date Line (IDL) is where the sun rises on Earth when the Sabbath begins in the Promise Land because the days of the week are from sunrise to sunrise, in the special case of the first day from first light to light again in the morning.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was LIGHT. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay, Eden's longitude is 145.092069º W.

What is Eden's latitude?

 

[HARK!]

Thanks to the website "islamicfinder.org" which provides sunrise times for all areas of the world, I have found an island, Rekareka, with a sunrise just one minute before sunset in Israel. This places Eden's Longitude @ 145.092069º W as the site of our origin where God taught us to count the days with the week. This island happens to fall near the International Date Line (IDL) where islands have flipped sides to favor trade with other nations.

Do you not understand that Eden and The Garden of Eden are two different places on the globe?
YHWH placed Adam in the Garden.

 

[BobRyan]

The first statement is false for Eden - it should read like the second statement for Eden.

Eden's Sabbath begins and ends at sunset

Which is how the 7th day follows the sixth day.

Gen 1:
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Which means the 7th day could only start at "evening".

This is not "rocket science" - as they say.

 

[guevaraj]

Okay, Eden's longitude is 145.092069º W. What is Eden's latitude?

Brother, the best Idea I've heard for finding the latitude is that continents move but the fault lines stay the same, even after the flood. I heard the idea that the original rivers in Eden were in these unchanging fault lines that stayed with us even after the flood. If all of that is true, then we can use the rivers in Eden to find the latitude of Eden within the given longitude. This is too speculative for me, but it's the best idea I've ever heard for finding the latitude of Eden.

A river flowed from the land of Eden, watering the garden and then dividing into four branches. The first branch, called the Pishon, flowed around the entire land of Havilah, where gold is found. The gold of that land is exceptionally pure; aromatic resin and onyx stone are also found there. The second branch, called the Gihon, flowed around the entire land of Cush. The third branch, called the Tigris, flowed east of the land of Asshur. The fourth branch is called the Euphrates. (Genesis 2:10-14 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Do you not understand that Eden and The Garden of Eden are two different places on the globe? YHWH placed Adam in the Garden.

Brother, I understand that the garden is inside Eden and not outside Eden.

The LORD God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and watch over it. (Genesis 2:15 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge