Without goading, it's now 2022. What timetables proved incorrect?

[keras]

So, what will happen to those futurists who were twisting the prophetic words in the 20th century (and even got rich from that) and what will happen to you or to Douggg, if your personal futurist guesses are wrong again?

They, + Douggg and myself; will be more severely Judged. James 3:1

However, provided we did say the correct things and warned people in good faith, then the Lord will reward us.

The thing is; the world MUST come to a point when dramatic change will happen. Just look at history; Empires rise and fall, natural disasters wipe out whole cities, and now we are again: as in the days of Noah, Matthew 24:37-40
The Lord will instigate a fiery disaster to correct the unacceptable present world situation. Which is mainly: the widespread rejection of Him as the Creator God.

 

[Oseas]

The window for Russia to invade Israel is between now and the end of 2030.

The leader of Russia is Gog. Russia is the strongest member of the coalition of nations making up Gog/Magog - listed in Ezekiel 38.

What I think you should do is pray to God to give you skill and understanding, like Gabriel did for Daniel in Daniel 9:22-23, regarding the the time of the end vision of the little horn, in Daniel 8.


22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider thevision.

Russia will NEVER invade Israel. The MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former cherub incarnated or was also made flesh, he was born decades ago in LITERAL fulfilment of the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-, and his manifestation is determined for this current time, and it is he who will establish the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION in the middst of the last week. There will not be any kind of militar invasion against Israel in this current time near of the establishment of the AOD.

You MUST change you conception based in conjectures, or presumptions, or imaginations, even in your own opinion. What you said will NEVER be fulfilled, will NEVER happen, because is not Truth.

 

[Oseas]

OK, so in 2031 I can ask you what went wrong with your prediction?

But FIRST you will need to pass by the persecution and also the Abomination of Desolation.

Get ready

 

[Oseas]

But what does Daniel's weeks mean? I'm open to a few ideas - and bounce between them depending on the best argument of the day. It could be that it refers to Antiochus, and his trashing of the temple. IF that's what DANIEL is talking about, then Jesus would be referring BACK to Antiochus when he predicts FORWARD to the Romans destroying Jerusalem as "An abomination that causes desolation."

The satanic theory about Antiochus sacrifices has nothing to do with the prophecy of Daniel. In that time GOD didn't send prophets among the people of the idolater and rebel Israel and the Temple was in the hands of Satan to use by his followers to make what day want to do however profane it was, the Temple remained with the Devil and when Jesus came it was still a den of thieves.

The Temple was handed over to Satan so it was for the use of his followers to do whatever they want, there was no desecration according to your eventual conception and others like you, after all in the Devil's territory what you consecrate in his temples will never be desecration, why would it be if all there is satanic and for Satan?

The Temple was handed over to Satan and for the use of his followers to do whatever they want, there was no desecration according to your eventual conception and others like you, after all in the Devil's territory what you consecrate in his temples will never be desecration, why would it be if all there is satanic ? Everything you do in any temple that is of the Devil is actually offered to him, is sacrificed to the Devil, right? so what would you be desecrating? desecrating what? if everything belongs to the Devil, IE, the temple, the sacrifices, the people and everything else, or whatever?

The demonic Antiochus and the satanic theory about him has nothing to do with what was revealed to Daniel.

 

[Oseas]

I am currently working on a brand new antichrist. The next president of the USA. Me get ahead of the end times pack, far too much competition these days.

The US President will never be the head of the Antichrist, on the contrary, the US President and of many others of nations will kneel before the false messiah and future guide and ruler of Israel- John 5:v.43 - by the way the main ruler of Antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

Russia will NEVER invade Israel. The MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former cherub incarnated or was also made flesh, he was born decades ago in LITERAL fulfilment of the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-, and his manifestation is determined for this current time, and it is he who will establish the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION in the middst of the last week. There will not any kind of militar invasion against Israel in this current time near of the establishment of the AOD.

You MUST change you conception based in conjectures, or presumptions, or imaginations, even in your own opinion. What you said will NEVER be fulfilled, will NEVER happen, because is not Truth.

Oseas, go read Ezekiel 39.

Gog/Magog, destruction of Gog's army v1-16. Then the 7 years of v9. Then Armageddon in v17-20.
Then Jesus Himself having returned to this earth speaking in v21-29.

Russia will be the chief military force of the Gog/Magog alliance.

 

[eclipsenow]

Sorry Oseas - not sure what you're saying. Theologians and historians bigger and clearer than you have 2 main theories: that the AOD was the Greek who desecrated the temple, and then Jesus compared the Roman destruction of the temple in AD70 to that - or that Jesus own death is the AOD that ultimately brings down the sacrificial system AS THE GOSPEL ITSELF SAYS - the GOSPEL OF GOD - DO YOU KNOW THIS GOSPEL OF GRACE NOT WORKS THAT RELIES ON JESUS DEATH?

 

[Douggg]

or that Jesus own death is the AOD that ultimately brings down the sacrificial system

I don't understand the logic in that one because Jesus said...

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

 

[Oseas]

Oseas, go read Ezekiel 39.
Gog/Magog, destruction of Gog's army v1-16. Then the 7 years of v9. Then Armageddon in v17-20.
Then Jesus Himself having returned to this earth speaking in v21-29.

Russia will be the chief military force of the Gog/Magog alliance.

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Oh please, Douggg, stop to write things which will NEVER happen according your pressumptions and imaginations based in the letter of the Bible. Will be you know not? Ar-mag-eddon is a GOD's War according Revelation 16:v.13-16, as follows :

- WAR against the Dragon-Revelation 16:v.13- , the red Dragon MADE FLESH, the man of sin, son of perdition, (ar-mag-EDDON-red), the Beast of the earth like a lamb with two horns, in fact a FALSE LAMB, of course, in fact a JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH, and he speaks as Dragon - Revelation 13:v.11 ;

- WAR against the Beast , the satanic Gentile Beast of sea, to whom the false messiah-the Dragon-will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority ;

- War against the False Prophet, a second function of the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist false messiah, a Master of Torah, the future and main guide of Judaism and future ruler of Israel, enthroned in Jerusalem.

Regardings "Gog/Magog alliance" according your theory, it is only compreensible if you are referring to the two satanic Man Beasts: The Beast of earth, the Jewish and exoteric false messiah and the Beast of sea to whom the false messiah will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority.

You said: "Russia will be the chief military force of the Gog/Magog alliance". It doesn't exist and it will never exist. Sorry, what you are spreading is FAKE.

 

[parousia70]

"The next time He comes is at Rosh Hashanah 2017 to shut the door and start the 7th Trumpet timeframe. At 10 days before Passover 2021, 1260 days after 9-26-17, is the final Armageddon and Judgment Day."

Not sure if its funny or sad.

Indeed. 1260 Days from 9/26/2017 is 3/9/2021

I don't remember the Final Armageddon and Judgement day happening on that day?

Perhaps we missed it @tranquil ?

Any insight as to why your prediction numbers form 2013 were so completely dead wrong? You seemed so sure of yourself.

 

[eclipsenow]

I don't understand the logic in that one because Jesus said...

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

The Romans ransacked the temple - took everything they could out - then destroyed it. Burned it to the ground and then sacrificed to their Eagle - the standard representing Caesar. Why does the word "stand" have to mean fulfil false religious duties? If Jesus is referring to Antiochus as the AOD and saying the Romans will be like that, the two instances are very similar in that the outcome was awful - a cessation of sacrifice.

 

[eclipsenow]

Any insight as to why your prediction numbers form 2013 were so completely dead wrong? You seemed so sure of yourself.

Exactly what this thread is about.
You seemed so sure of yourself.
So many here seem so sure of themselves - so sure that they're willing to jeer and taunt "You'll see." Or Bulverise (psychologically attack to explain why their opponents are so silly.) "You just want your pretty little life to continue as normal." As if Amillennial Christians don't long for the return of Jesus!

So sure of themselves. And then... the calendar keeps ticking.

 

[Hammster]

And what do we do with the knowledge that yet more timetables based on a future-schedule reading of Revelation have proved wrong? Yet again? How passionate were the people promoting these timetables? How utterly certain?

To your knowledge, has anyone lost their faith over this?

I’m reading an older book that lists 20 books written at the end of the last century that stated or implied that the end was in the year 2000. And yet, here we are.

 

[parousia70]

Doesn't all futurism eventually become preterism?

Excellent observation.
Preterism is indeed the end result of all Christian eschatological belief systems.
Even the staunchest of today's futurists will, on the very day of that future resurrection he still awaits, become a preterist when he proudly proclaims: "The Resurrection is past!"

 

[eclipsenow]

Excellent observation.
Preterism is indeed the end result of all Christian eschatological belief systems.
Even the staunchest of today's futurists will, on the very day of that future resurrection he still awaits, become a preterist when he proudly proclaims: "The Resurrection is past!"

Not really sure what this means.
The past Resurrection gives us hope of the future Resurrection.
Amillennials believe Revelation is about the gospel preached to a suffering generation. Part of that gospel is that the Lord WILL return - we just don't know when - and Revelation is a thematic sermon, not timetable.

 

[Oseas]

I’m reading an older book that lists 20 books written at the end of the last century that stated or implied that the end was in the year 2000. And yet, here we are.

Fact is year 2000 was the END of last century of the SIXTH GOD's Day started in the year 1000AD, so we can say we are living in the beginning of the FIRST century of the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, whose millennium BELONGS EXCLUSIVELY to JESUS and establishment of His Kingdom, the Kingdom of GOD. So that the Devil's world be prepared for ALL KIND of CHASTISEMENTS the LORD JESUS, the Lamb, will applied with great wrath.-Revelation 6- even before His glorious revelation among us.

In other words, the year 2000 is the turn from the sixth to the seventh GOD's Day, I would say it is, BY ANALOGY, somethig like the event occurred in the garden of Eden, when GOD was walking in the garden in the cool of the Day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where are you, Adam? And Adam said: I heard your voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. And GOD said, Who told ypu that you is naked? Has you eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that you should not eat? GENESIS 3:v.8-11

The same will occcur now in this current new millennium, the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last GOD's Day, the Day of the righteous Judgment of GOD. The question for each one of GOD's people is the same: Where are you?

Revelation 16:v.15-16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk NAKED, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Get ready

 

[eclipsenow]

The question for each one of GOD's people is the same: Where are you?

It's more - are we abiding in his love and obeying his commands to love his people and trust his death and resurrection? I've got no idea what your timetable is about or how you come to your conclusions. As far as I can see, all OT Scripture is fulfilled in the gospel - and now we are just waiting for the end. 5 seconds or 50,000 years? We don't know.

 

[parousia70]

Not really sure what this means.
The past Resurrection gives us hope of the future Resurrection.

And after the future resurrection? when that is past, it will be PAST, And ALL Christians will be preterists at that time. There will be no such thing as a futurist. That's what this means.

Amillennials believe Revelation is about the gospel preached to a suffering generation. Part of that gospel is that the Lord WILL return - we just don't know when - and Revelation is a thematic sermon, not timetable.

I can't disagree.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

They, + Douggg and myself; will be more severely Judged. James 3:1

However, provided we did say the correct things and warned people in good faith, then the Lord will reward us.

The thing is; the world MUST come to a point when dramatic change will happen. Just look at history; Empires rise and fall, natural disasters wipe out whole cities, and now we are again: as in the days of Noah, Matthew 24:37-40
The Lord will instigate a fiery disaster to correct the unacceptable present world situation. Which is mainly: the widespread rejection of Him as the Creator God.

Of course, the flood killed all unbelievers in Noah's day. Jesus Himself said "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" (Matt 24:37-39). This leaves no mortals to populate the earth after His return. So, what do you do about this? Accept that Amil is true? No, you can't do that. So, you come up with the completely unsupportable idea that people will be resurrected with mortal bodies at that time and they will be the ones to repopulate the earth. But, scripture never teaches a future mass resurrection where people will have mortal bodies.

 

[Hammster]

Of course, the flood killed all unbelievers in Noah's day. Jesus Himself said "That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" (Matt 24:37-39). This leaves no mortals to populate the earth after His return. So, what do you do about this? Accept that Amil is true? No, you can't do that. So, you come up with the completely unsupportable idea that people will be resurrected with mortal bodies at that time and they will be the ones to repopulate the earth. But, scripture never teaches a future mass resurrection where people will have mortal bodies.

The flood reference has to do with how people were acting before the flood, not the scope of the flood. They (people referenced) were living their lives like normal, not listening to the warnings.