Without goading, it's now 2022. What timetables proved incorrect?

[Christian Gedge]

Nope. Leaving church because false teachers are promising things that will not happen is not "falling away".

Its only a natural effect of wrong teachings in churches.

There have been wrong teachings in the Church since the council of Jerusalem. No one can claim to be the ‘one true.’ But in our lifetime there seems to be a significant ‘falling away.’ Just an observation. I may be wrong.

 

[parousia70]

HERE is a post on this forum from 2013 that asserted that it would all be wrapped up by September 2021

 

[keras]

The problem (futurist authors do not seem to understand) is that because of all the failures till today, futurists have lost credibility regarding any other predictions.

Yes, it's the 'cry wolf' syndrome.
I have also noted that people get 'end times outed', that is they have just had enough of warnings and scary predictions, so they simply withdraw and say: Let it happen, Lord: Your will be done!

All very well, but not helpful, as dramatic events suddenly happen. As so comprehensively prophesied throughout our Bibles.

But Bible itself warns against trying to interpret prohecies before they happen:
"But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation..."
1Pt 1:20

Careless of you; 2 Peter 1:19-20
All this confirms to us the Message of the Prophets, which you will do well to attend to.
We should not make our own interpretations, as the plain Words of the Prophesies, are direct from the Holy Spirit.

Basically; people who reject, ignore or twist the Prophetic Word to suit their own beliefs, are deniers of God's Word. There will be repercussions for those things.

Of course, it is God's Will that what will happen is not clear to most people, especially the 'wise and learned': Matthew 11:25

 

[trophy33]

Basically; people who reject, ignore or twist the Prophetic Word to suit their own beliefs, are deniers of God's Word. There will be repercussions for those things.

So, what will happen to those futurists who were twisting the prophetic words in the 20th century (and even got rich from that) and what will happen to you or to Douggg, if your personal futurist guesses are wrong again?

 

[Jipsah]

I do have an answer, but frankly, I would rather just make a separate thread about it because I think you are goading and not sincere in the slightest. Honestly, I think you are a shill, just my opinion.

He makes a valid point. People contrive all kinds of elaborate End Times schedules that they almost treat as though they were Scripture itself, persuade people to believe them, and then the whole lot of them take a great blow to their faith when the thing turns out to have been been based on a stack of bad assumptions. Fact is, their faith was misplaced. The Scripture is trustworthy, people's assumptions about Scripture are not. When we fail to distinguish between the two, we're going to be disappointed.

 

[Jipsah]

The correct base year is 1967, not 1948. 1967 +70 years = 2037, minus 7 years to give the 2030 expectation. Sometime between now and then, Gog/Magog will take place, followed by the 7 years.

I trust you'll forgive us if we hedge our bets on those dates.

 

[Jipsah]

I think the figurative expression for a long time is - "for many days" as used in the old testament.

That's certainly one of them.

 

[trophy33]

There have been wrong teachings in the Church since the council of Jerusalem. No one can claim to be the ‘one true.’ But in our lifetime there seems to be a significant ‘falling away.’ Just an observation. I may be wrong.

Its hard to say, we do not know if people are leaving faith or just churches. Or whether the people who got in the church and left were actually Christians or if their attendance was just a cultural habit that is not "in" today...

 

[trophy33]

HERE is a post on this forum from 2013 that asserted that it would all be wrapped up by September 2021

"The next time He comes is at Rosh Hashanah 2017 to shut the door and start the 7th Trumpet timeframe. At 10 days before Passover 2021, 1260 days after 9-26-17, is the final Armageddon and Judgment Day."

Not sure if its funny or sad.

 

[eclipsenow]

Ithat the secular world, even governments (see climate change), are getting in on the action...

Well that analogy breaks down because it's REAL - and obvious from multiple points of observation - and COSTING governments - not giving them extra income.

To me all is the largest warning outside scripture (which itself declares such things aren't from God) that this failed date setting is antithetical to the Christian faith.

I'm with you on failed date-settings within the Christian community, but climate change is not an 'end of this universe' thing but a 'worse and worse for our civilisation' spectrum. The two are very different.

 

[eclipsenow]

There have been wrong teachings in the Church since the council of Jerusalem. No one can claim to be the ‘one true.’ But in our lifetime there seems to be a significant ‘falling away.’ Just an observation. I may be wrong.

Australian Apologetics podcaster Dr John Dickson says that the church has moved from the 'centre' of society and culture to the margins. That is, there's less marginal attendance as an old-boys-club, and more serious believers that remain.

 

[Blade]

Unless I am following wrong.. why focus on the ones that were wrong and not the ones that were spot on to where we are right now? I can't be the only one that knows of these? Lost their faith? Don't know one..we might fall what not.. Christ does not let go

 

[eclipsenow]

Unless I am following wrong.. why focus on the ones that were wrong and not the ones that were spot on to where we are right now? I can't be the only one that knows of these? Lost their faith? Don't know one..we might fall what not.. Christ does not let go

Are you saying you're some kind of historicist that sees Revelation predicting various events of the last 2000 years? Beware "Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc" as you read it this way.

 

[klutedavid]

Do you think this trend over the last so many decades may be the prophesied ‘falling away’? Or Satans ‘little season?’

It is beyond any question, that the rate of decline in membership of nearly all churches worldwide. Is gathering pace.

The last four or so decades, I think, is truly a very marked falling away from the faith.

We are entering a very different world now, a social and religious revolution is at play. Online church is growing steadily and so is online social life. Online entertainment and online shopping.

 

[Timtofly]

I was saved in 1971. I cannot count the number of times ministers have declared "the Lord is coming this year." After hearing this for 50 years, my ears have become numb to it.
I am with Paul. The Lord will not come for His people until after the antichrist shows up on the scene. Unless you see the man of sin on nightly news... just stop.
Until then, I am going to occupy.

There is no AC. Just as many antichrist as end time preachers.

 

[Timtofly]

Nothing from futurists was proved correct so far. Everything failed. For me, I have a pity for these people, because I see they have a zeal.

If you see it as goading, you may be oversensitive.

I have been a futurist. I have not lost faith, but I had to leave futurism.

Doesn't all futurism eventually become preterism? People live, people die, life goes on.

 

[eclipsenow]

Doesn't all futurism eventually become preterism? People live, people die, life goes on.

No, as Preterism is a heresy.
Partial Preterist Amillennialism is the theology of the Reformation.

 

[Oseas]

I was saved in 1971. I cannot count the number of times ministers have declared "the Lord is coming this year." After hearing this for 50 years, my ears have become numb to it.
I am with Paul. The Lord will not come for His people until after the antichrist shows up on the scene. Unless you see the man of sin on nightly news... just stop.
Until then, I am going to occupy.

Yes, and the GOD's people cannot think that the man of sin will still be born, this is a great error, because IN FACT the MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former-cherub, yeah, IN FACT the MAN of sin already was born decades ago, and MUST manifest himself in days to come, say, even in this current decade.

The message for this current time for the Church of the LORD is: GET READY, YEAH, GET READY.

 

[Oseas]

OK - so you've got your own timetable. What if Russia doesn't invade? Why is Russia Gog / Magog? Why isn't it the Old Testament prophetical representation of ANY kingdom that opposes God? What if Russia doesn't invade? How do you define Gog / Magog by 2030 and what if I ask this same question in 2031?

What we can learn by the Word of GOD based in Revelation20:v.7-8:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive THE NATIONS which are in the four quarters of the earth, GOG, and MAGOG, so by ANALOGY through own Word of GOD this duo has nothing to do with only Russia especifically. This OLD theory emerged up from the lie, and is a false interpretation. By the way, Israel will NEVER be invaded by Russia.

 

[eclipsenow]

Yes, and the GOD's people cannot think that the man of sin will still be born, this is a great error, because IN FACT the MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former-cherub, yeah, IN FACT the MAN of sin already was born decades ago, and MUST manifest himself in days to come, say, even in this current decade.

The message for this current time for the Church of the LORD is: GET READY, YEAH, GET READY.

OK, so in 2031 I can ask you what went wrong with your prediction?