"AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless"

[ThatRobGuy]

How is that interesting at all? That's been going on for decades. Florida, particularly South Florida, was developed by the north, particularly Henry Flagler on behalf of Standard Oil of NJ and NY (Rockefeller) and for literally decades, almost a century, has been used as a retirement haven for New Yorkers and New Jerseyans.

What do you find so "interesting" about AOC's mother doing what almost every other NYer does?

Usually the older folks retire there for the nice weather, and not specifically citing reasons pertaining to taxation being too high when they're in their 50's, correct?

Blanca said it was a no-brainer, adding: 'I was paying $10,000 a year in real estate taxes up north. I'm paying $600 a year in Florida. It's stress-free down here.'


In fact, her mom is pretty private from the articles so who knows if she's even retired yet or still works, but if she moved down there 6 years ago, she may have still been in her upper 40's at the time, which would've meant she wasn't "retiring down there" at that point in time, it would've just getting away from the NY taxes.

 

[bekkilyn]

How would Florida offer her more of a fun and relaxing vacation, you ask?

Under normal circumstances, it probably wouldn't have.

But under the current set of restrictions set for the two states, respectively, Florida would be a lot more fun right now.

Universal masking rules (regardless of vaccination status) and distancing rules in a lot of places, and having to fiddle around to find your vaccine card before you go in anywhere (because only California vaccinations are in their passport system).

Having to do this in a restaurant (per the official rules from the Cali public health website):
Note: You are allowed to take off your mask while you are:
- Actively eating or drinking as long as you are sitting or standing in a specific place such as a table, counter, or ticketed seat.
- This means that you can briefly remove your mask when you are actually eating or drinking but you must put it back on immediately afterwards.
- You must also wear a mask when you are waiting to be served, between courses or drinks, and while seated after finishing your food or drink.

So basically, pull the mask down when you're taking a bite or sip, and pull it back up right away.

Doesn't exactly sound like my idea of a "fun relaxing dinner on vacation"...but that's just me (and probably most other people)

At this point, you probably couldn't pay me to move to a state like New York or California with all the vaccine and mask ridiculousness going on.

I don't at all blame AOC for escaping the insanity. What I criticize her on is her hypocrisy concerning it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

At this point, you probably couldn't pay me to move to a state like New York or California with all the vaccine and mask ridiculousness going on.

I live right next door in NJ -- I was about to offer to pay you to stay wherever you are.

I don't at all blame AOC for escaping the insanity. What I criticize her on is her hypocrisy concerning it.

You, too, will make a useful enforcer should a national mask mandate become law.

Who will watch the watchmen, after all?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

When you find one, let us know!

The op topic is about one.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The Anti-Christ's One World Government will rely on people like you who do this.

Yep.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The op topic is about one.

And you don't even want your reward.

Perhaps you'll drop the dime on your liberal friends and neighbors "on the house," as well?

 

[stevil]

She knew better - she made a wrong choice, but she is vaccinated - the odds are in favor of her not being seriously or face death. And I add she is not the first elected official of any government office to contract covid.

But she has a responsibility not to catch it and pass it onto others.
Vaccinated people should also be careful not to expose themselves to covid.

BTW, masks don't typically prevent a healthy person from catching the disease, they instead reduce the risk of a sick person passing it on to others.
So, if she did catch it at that party, she probably would have caught it anyway even if she were wearing the mask.
If she already had the disease then she ran the risk of spreading her illness to others at that party.

 

[stevil]

Come on. You have to know by now that the Omicron variant is a breakthrough version of the virus.

It is trollish behaviour to ignore facts and post nonsense to get a reaction out of people.

It is common knowledge that vaccines don't guarantee 100% protection. So it is no surprise that there are breakthrough cases.
It is common knowledge that Omicron is more resistant to the vaccines especially when it has been over 4 months since a person was vaccinated.

People that keep going on about vaccinated people catching the disease as if vaccines do nothing and citing some examples of a vaccinated person having caught the disease, well they are just plain and simply trolling.

 

[wing2000]

It's because she's just an elitist like other Democrats like Biden, Pelosi the governor of California.

Curious, what makes a former bartender/waitress from a Puerto Rican working class family an "elitist"?

 

[stevil]

Curious, what makes a former bartender/waitress from a Puerto Rican working class family an "elitist"?

And D Trump a guy born into a billionaire family and given millions and millions of dollars as a child a liberator from the elites fighting for the working class?

Up means down
Down means up
Night means day
Day means night.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Apologies if this has been brought up already, but what exactly are the mask rules (if any) in Florida?

 

[Tinker Grey]

And D Trump a guy born into a billionaire family and given millions and millions of dollars as a child a liberator from the elites fighting for the working class?

Up means down
Down means up
Night means day
Day means night.

Mass Hysteria!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Curious, what makes a former bartender/waitress from a Puerto Rican working class family an "elitist"?

Being smarter and more successful than the people who call her that, as like as not.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

How would Florida offer her more of a fun and relaxing vacation, you ask?

Under normal circumstances, it probably wouldn't have.

But under the current set of restrictions set for the two states, respectively, Florida would be a lot more fun right now.

Universal masking rules (regardless of vaccination status) and distancing rules in a lot of places, and having to fiddle around to find your vaccine card before you go in anywhere (because only California vaccinations are in their passport system).

Having to do this in a restaurant (per the official rules from the Cali public health website):
Note: You are allowed to take off your mask while you are:
- Actively eating or drinking as long as you are sitting or standing in a specific place such as a table, counter, or ticketed seat.
- This means that you can briefly remove your mask when you are actually eating or drinking but you must put it back on immediately afterwards.
- You must also wear a mask when you are waiting to be served, between courses or drinks, and while seated after finishing your food or drink.

So basically, pull the mask down when you're taking a bite or sip, and pull it back up right away.

Doesn't exactly sound like my idea of a "fun relaxing dinner on vacation"...but that's just me (and probably most other people)

No the simple reason is that its warmer. You could sit outside in central park without a mask if you want to but this time of year it is a little chilly. As for indoors, you should be wearing one and that is a lousy reason to go to Florida. As to taxes, they go to pay for infrastructure and vary rather inversely with the ability to make money in a given local. Don't see much movement of Wall Street to Florida, but if you only need minimal services, Florida looks good.

 

[Halbhh]

AOC tests positive for COVID-19 after partying in Miami maskless

The positive test comes shortly after the Congresswoman was seen without a mask in a Miami bar, according to video that circulated on social media

Best I understand, something like 95%+ (or practically we could just say 'all' roughly) of Americans will get Omicron.

For it to be news, the U.S. level politician getting it would need to be unvaccinated and/or have comorbidities, and get seriously ill or die.

If a person is fully vaccinated with their 3rd shot, the booster, then 2 weeks later, they are about as protected as they can get, from serious illness, for when they inevitably get Omicron.

But, it would be wise for you to wear a mask if you are unvaccinated and/or have comorbidities like obesity or diabetes, etc.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Usually the older folks retire there for the nice weather, and not specifically citing reasons pertaining to taxation being too high when they're in their 50's, correct?

Not in my experience. It's both and they retire anywhere from their 50's and up. But cost is as big a reason as weather for as long as I've known. Most of my friends' parents retired to Florida in their 60's and several in their 50's.

Blanca said it was a no-brainer, adding: 'I was paying $10,000 a year in real estate taxes up north. I'm paying $600 a year in Florida. It's stress-free down here.'

Hence why people can and do retire from here to there in their 50's. The specific reasoning used by my friend's mom who was happy to talk about it with anyone was "why should I work to pay the taxes up here when I can sell the house and buy one outright down there for a quarter of the taxes? What am I waiting for??" - she moved there at 58, 2 years after my friend graduated college. I've worked with many people who did the same - one guy, Gerry, just did this right before Covid, he was 55.

In fact, her mom is pretty private from the articles so who knows if she's even retired yet or still works, but if she moved down there 6 years ago, she may have still been in her upper 40's at the time, which would've meant she wasn't "retiring down there" at that point in time, it would've just getting away from the NY taxes.

Every person I know who "retired" in their 50's to Florida still worked, but didn't need to. But they don't need the pay, most of them do it only for the benefits, so they work anywhere that has medical. Many of them don't even need that because they have pensions that pay for it.

There's nothing at all interesting or unusual about what she did - it's the most common thing in the world for my entire lifetime and before that. Have you ever been to southern Florida? Like anywhere from the Palm Beaches down to Miami? It's more than half NY/NJ retirees.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

There's nothing at all interesting or unusual about what she did - it's the most common thing in the world for my entire lifetime and before that. Have you ever been to southern Florida? Like anywhere from the Palm Beaches down to Miami? It's more than half NY/NJ retirees.

So "Florida's not all that terrible then" is the takeaway?

The part that makes it "interesting" is that her daughter has bashed Florida, and many in her daughter's political circle have bashed states that have lower taxes (or no state income tax). And she's gone on record as saying that she supports her daughters proposals (which would raise taxes)...yet, given the opportunity, she moved someone to get her away from taxes.

Yet, her daughter never made the connection when she saw her own mom pick Florida as her "state of choice" to retire in, with regards to why people would choose to move there.

The fact that, as you said, so many people from NY/NJ pick a state that's basically the antithesis of their home state's political environment has to be for some reason, right?

Perhaps that "everyone should pay their fair share" or "taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society" stuff wears off with age?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Curious, what makes a former bartender/waitress from a Puerto Rican working class family an "elitist"?

The "just shy of 200k/year income" part...and the part about getting to make rules that everyone else has to follow.

Not everyone has to be "born into it" to be in an "elite position".


Anyone who's in congress/senate is "Elite" by virtue of their salary and level of influence alone.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

No the simple reason is that its warmer. You could sit outside in central park without a mask if you want to but this time of year it is a little chilly. As for indoors, you should be wearing one and that is a lousy reason to go to Florida.

To clarify, my original question (and what I was responding to) was why she picked Florida over Cali for her vacation.

So I'll pose the same question to you that I posed to the other poster, why didn't she pick somewhere in Southern California to go? Seems like the So-Cal environment would more closely match her social/political preferences, yes? Still has the nice weather, yes? (it's going to be 77 and sunny there tomorrow)

I think my answer is still the most plausible one...

She, as vaccinated+boosted 30-something (and low risk) doesn't want to spend her vacation waiting in a line outside to get her vaccine card checked to get into an establishment, to only then spend her entire dinner pulling her mask up and down between sips and bites.

She wanted to do...well...this:

It was her vacation, she wanted to have fun...right now, Cali isn't going to be that much "fun".

I've been to both South Florida and So-Cal multiple times...love both. And during "normal" times, they both have their advantages.

But right now, speaking as her fellow vaccincated+boosted 30-something, I'd go with Florida (which is why, for my usual Halloween weekend trip this year, I went with Ft. Myers Beach instead of San Diego)

The difference is, I haven't been publicly depicting Ron DeSantis as the merchant of death for the last year, so it's not hypocrisy when I chose to go there for my "get-away".

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

At this point, you probably couldn't pay me to move to a state like New York or California with all the vaccine and mask ridiculousness going on.

There's nothing ridiculousness about getting vaccination, mask wearing and social distancing. As far I know some people aren't wearing mask or getting vaccination in CA. Which is the reason COVID-19 is going up in CA.

I don't at all blame AOC for escaping the insanity. What I criticize her on is her hypocrisy concerning it.

What hypocrisy. I believe the vaccinated was given the green light not to wear mask. I don't agree with, because so many people haven't been vaccinated and refuse too.