I changed my stance on gun control!!!

[Astrid]

There are thousands of sects but I never argued against that. I argued against your assertion that each one of them has a "different word of god" from each other. And you have yet to prove that.


The fact that there are so many sects who have the "flood" story means that they all have the same Word of God. That they interpret things differently is a different story, but they have the same Word of God.


Are you saying that you are an "ignorant liar"? Because I didn't. And you are the one who is bringing your ethnicity into it. The only thing I might think from your being from China is that you are communist.

Oh i see. Making things up is not lying.
Droll.
Andvsaying i am ignorant doesnt mean
you said I am ignorant.

Whether "same word despite totally different
meaning" makes any sense I will leave to
those who understand the Vice of Equivocation.

As for " communist", you stuck out once again.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

She never made that claim, unless it was on a prior page. I may have to back and see if she claimed that. When you use quotes you should make sure that you are quoting what someone said, not what one wants them to have said. Using the copy and paste technique keeps one from making such an error. Her actual claim was:

"There's 40000 different Christian sects each with
a different version of what the Word actually means."

OK, I misquoted her but the fact remains her assertion is wrong. Each denomination does not have "a different version of what the Word actually means".

Looks like today was my turn to be your target, huh.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Oh i see. Making things up is not lying.

Not necessarily. But while I didn't characterize your making something up as "lying", you did. And that is telling.

Droll.
Andvsaying i am ignorant doesnt mean
you said I am ignorant.

I didn't say you're ignorant, you used that word. I said you lack basic understanding of Christianity; that's different.

Whether "same word despite totally different
meaning" makes any sense I will leave to
those who understand the Vice of Equivocation.

You said each denomination has a different version of what the Word means. That is incorrect. For example, the Armenian Church, Coptic Church, Ethiopian Church are 3 denominations that have the same interpretation of what the Word means.

You seem to believe that every denomination is different due to differences in interpretations of the Word and that is abjectly false.

As for " communist", you stuck out once again.

China is a communist country and everyone who lives there is forced to support the communist party, so everyone is a communist in some sense.

 

[durangodawood]

Diameter is directly related to mass. A physics expert should know this.

You cant generalize that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

OK, I misquoted her but the fact remains her assertion is wrong. Each denomination does not have "a different version of what the Word actually means".

Looks like today was my turn to be your target, huh.

I do not target anyone. And the different sects do have a different version of what the Word actually means. If they did not there would be only one sect.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a video of what happens to some pork meat when shot with various rounds. The .223 round shreds it. The .30-30 does some significant damage but what the round itself does is much less brutal. And please note, made by a gun enthusiast:

Even the rather powerful .30-06 does not appear to shred the meat in the same way.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I do not target anyone.

LOL! Sure, just coincidence!!! Please

And the different sects do have a different version of what the Word actually means. If they did not there would be only one sect.

Wrong. "Each" sect does not. For example, my sect and the Ethiopian sect agree on what the Word means. As well as the Coptic. So, no, "each" sect does not have different versions. The reason we are different sects is based on cultural tradition and geography and tradition that developed due to that, not due to a disagreement. We are in communion with each other and have the same theological interpretation of the Word of God.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your spinning your totally coincidental second-in-one-day totally-not-targeted attack on me. Enjoy!

 

[RDKirk]

I think it’s more about political appearances to sway the population in their favor. I also think the politicians seeking to remove guns from the public should set an example by getting rid of their armed guards so they can really show us all how much faith they have in emergency response times. I called 911 last week to report a wheelbarrow in the middle of the freeway and waited over 4 minutes for the police dept to answer. Good thing my life wasn’t in danger.

That was a pretty good response time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL! Sure, just coincidence!!! Please


Wrong. "Each" sect does not. For example, my sect and the Ethiopian sect agree on what the Word means. As well as the Coptic. So, no, "each" sect does not have different versions. The reason we are different sects is based on cultural tradition and geography and tradition that developed due to that, not due to a disagreement. We are in communion with each other and have the same theological interpretation of the Word of God.

But don't let that fact get in the way of your spinning your totally coincidental second-in-one-day totally-not-targeted attack on me. Enjoy!

I have been commenting on this thread for a while. I did not follow you here. Try again with that false claim of targeting.

And of course there are going to be similarities between sects. And you may be "in communion" with others, and you will find some that you agree with almost 100% and some that you will have severe disagreements with. That is going to happen when there are thousands of different sects. Some of the differences will be so small as to be almost meaningless. And some will be so severe that two sects will accuse each other of blasphemy.

 

[RDKirk]

Ahh let em ban ARs I prefer an AK myself.

Here is the problem--and perhaps I shouldn't say it out loud--but if all the AR-15 and other "assault rifles" in the country were banned and even successfully confiscated...it wouldn't make a dent in the gun homicide rate, or the homicide rate overall. Likely, it would not change by as much as a single death.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

I have been commenting on this thread for a while. I did not follow you here. Try again with that false claim of targeting.

Not buying it, too much of a coincidence, especially considering your taking up of the demonstrably incorrect side of this particular argument, which wouldn't be like you, typically.

And of course there are going to be similarities between sects. And you may be "in communion" with others, and you will find some that you agree with almost 100% and some that you will have severe disagreements with. That is going to happen when there are thousands of different sects. Some of the differences will be so small as to be almost meaningless. And some will be so severe that two sects will accuse each other of blasphemy.

I didn't say "similarities". I said the same. I said that we have no difference in interpretations of what the Word means. I went on to say that the difference between the Churches I mentioned was only due to culture, geogrphy, and resultant traditions and NOT to any variation in interpretation of what the Word means.

In other words, I provided you with 3 Churches (and there are more) that are not different sects because they are different in interpretations of what the Word means which is the assertion the other poster made and you are trying to defend.

And you may be "in communion" with others, and you will find some that you agree with almost 100% and some that you will have severe disagreements with.

Again, I didn't say "almost 100%" - that is what you are adding here, disingenuously, to imply that I said or meant that. No, I said we have the SAME interpretation as these other sects of what the Word means. Respond to what I actually said instead of making things up.

That is going to happen when there are thousands of different sects. Some of the differences will be so small as to be almost meaningless. And some will be so severe that two sects will accuse each other of blasphemy.

Are you intentionally trying to obfuscate the actual claim here?

The claim made was that there are 45,000 different sects each with a different interpretation of the Word. Agreed?

You went on to state that if there were NO differences in interpretation of what the Word means between any two or more sects that they would be one. Agreed?

And I have provided you with an example of just 3 sects that are different sects YET agree on interpretation of what the Word means. Not "almost 100%" - we agree. We are different sects due to historical and cultural difference and NOT due to differences in intrepretation of what the Word means (because we have no differences there).

Now you are ignoring that and you are trying to imply that I was saying that we are "almost 100%" in agreement in order to backpedal and save your untenable argument.

Perhaps targeting someone because you think it's their time to be targeted doesn't always work so well.

 

[renniks]

For hunting they are not a good choice, unless one likes a bit more hamburger.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you quit embarrassing yourself before it gets worse.
You really would rather be shot by that little round instead of a 30 caliber? Like I said before, I've seen a lot of bullet holes. I tan hides for living, Kemosabe. The smaller calibers simply don't push through as much meat and bone. This is pretty basic stuff. Bigger bullet, more tissue damage, everything else being equal. You realize there's lots of powder load choices for every single caliber, correct? It's not as if the .223 has some special magical ability. It's just a chunk of lead, and with the same amount of powder a bigger chunk does more damage.

 

[Astrid]

Not necessarily. But while I didn't characterize your making something up as "lying", you did. And that is telling.


I didn't say you're ignorant, you used that word. I said you lack basic understanding of Christianity; that's different.


You said each denomination has a different version of what the Word means. That is incorrect. For example, the Armenian Church, Coptic Church, Ethiopian Church are 3 denominations that have the same interpretation of what the Word means.

You seem to believe that every denomination is different due to differences in interpretations of the Word and that is abjectly false.


China is a communist country and everyone who lives there is forced to support the communist party, so everyone is a communist in some sense.

Once you get down to "in some sense", you are a commie,
for lo, you' ve bought chinese goods.
And no doubt likewise " in some sense" radically different
versions of " the word" are the same version!
Certainly your posts illustrate that principle,
your words like " ignorant" that suddenly morph into something
else, same as "made uo" isnt lying. ( try that in court)

Further study from a master of equivocation might
give helpful tips-https://www.fecundity.com/pmagnus/humpty.html

 

[renniks]

Here is the problem--and perhaps I shouldn't say it out loud--but if all the AR-15 and other "assault rifles" in the country were banned and even successfully confiscated...it wouldn't make a dent in the gun homicide rate, or the homicide rate overall. Likely, it would not change by as much as a single death.

Which should tell you that it was never about less deaths. It's just a way to chip away at the second amendment.

 

[Brihaha]

I have been commenting on this thread for a while. I did not follow you here. Try again with that false claim of targeting.

I get what ArmenianJohn is trying to say. I read at least twenty times as much as I post. The other day was like whiplash reading all your replies explaining why each poster was wrong. It comes off as condescending. I have dealt with this in my communications during life as well. I seem arrogant and condescending at times, sometimes when I'm not trying to condescend. My father doesn't even need to speak to intimidate people. It's simply his demeanor to have a menacing scowl, and folks often misinterpret his expressions as dismissive and rude. I don't think you are as aware of your style of communication as you think you are. I don't believe you have the intent to be rude, it just sometimes seems that way to others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you quit embarrassing yourself before it gets worse.
You really would rather be shot by that little round instead of a 30 caliber? Like I said before, I've seen a lot of bullet holes. I tan hides for living, Kemosabe. The smaller calibers simply don't push through as much meat and bone. This is pretty basic stuff. Bigger bullet, more tissue damage, everything else being equal. You realize there's lots of powder load choices for every single caliber, correct? It's not as if the .223 has some special magical ability. It's just a chunk of lead, and with the same amount of powder a bigger chunk does more damage.

There goes another irony meter. Sorry, but you simply do not understand the role of energy transfer of kinetic energy. I provided more than one source that explains how .223 rounds do far more damage to surrounding tissue caused the the velocity of the round. You keep conflating momentum and energy. They are two different things and have very different effects.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I get what ArmenianJohn is trying to say. I read at least twenty times as much as I post. The other day was like whiplash reading all your replies explaining why each poster was wrong. It comes off as condescending. I have dealt with this in my communications during life as well. I seem arrogant and condescending at times, sometimes when I'm not trying to condescend. My father doesn't even need to speak to intimidate people. It's simply his demeanor to have a menacing scowl, and folks often misinterpret his expressions as dismissive and rude. I don't think you are as aware of your style of communication as you think you are. I don't believe you have the intent to be rude, it just sometimes seems that way to others.

I do tend to respond to rudeness with rudeness of my own. Sadly he is repeating errors even after sources show how he is wrong.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Once you get down to "in some sense", you are a commie,
for lo, you' ve bought chinese goods.

Don't you live your life on buying mostly (if not all) chinese goods?

And no doubt likewise " in some sense" radically different
versions of " the word" are the same version!
Certainly your posts illustrate that principle,

No, there are no different versions of the Word, not even "in some sense". I don't know where you got that from but you clearly lack a basic understanding of Christianity.

your words like " ignorant" that suddenly morph into something
else, same as "made uo" isnt lying. ( try that in court)

My word was not "ignorant" - that was your word. You used it, I didn't. And making up is not synonymous with lying. If you need the difference explained I'll explain it, but I'm assuming (and for your sake hoping) you're smart enough to know better. But if I'm wrong then let me know and I'll explain the difference to you. Perhaps it's a language barrier for you.

Further study from a master of equivocation might
give helpful tips-https://www.fecundity.com/pmagnus/humpty.html

I'm not sure why you're admitting to equivocation and providing me the source you are learning it from, but I am not buying into your equivocation so you may as well not equivocate further.

 

[durangodawood]

Here is the problem--and perhaps I shouldn't say it out loud--but if all the AR-15 and other "assault rifles" in the country were banned and even successfully confiscated...it wouldn't make a dent in the gun homicide rate, or the homicide rate overall. Likely, it would not change by as much as a single death.

My notions of sensible gun control:
1. Register every single firearm and license it to its owner. Register transfers the same way.
2. Require safety and proficiency courses to bear.
3. Outlaw high cap magazines.
4. Outlaw rounds / gun types likely to cause certain egregious damage.

Where to draw the line on hard limits tbd. This is just the big picture. There's probably other elements I'm missing. The general idea is that the individual right, which I support, is maintained, but the no-responsibility free for all is over.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which should tell you that it was never about less deaths. It's just a way to chip away at the second amendment.

I disagree. We already have gun control to a limited extent. One already cannot buy an assault rifle, I am not a fan of the term "assault weapon" because that is merely based upon looks. An "assault weapon" is a gun that looks like an assault rifle. Making certain rounds illegal has already been done. Why support a round that is only ideally suited to varmint hunting?