Laura, you are definitely fun to talk to.
It's gettin' late for now, but I'll be back, sis!
Thanks for an entertaining and informative discussion.
Hi Rick,
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Looking forward to the discussion when you are rested. I did this as a "new post"... here... but will add to this discussion for you.
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The Vitality of Eternal Vision & Thought
A temporal, earthbound, man-focused perspective will blind us to the gospel story as God has written it in the Bible. We must step into an eternal position with Jesus Christ and God the Father to gain the Heavenly perspective. Then, our focus shifts from man in flesh on earth in time to seeing the spiritual level of the things unseen of Heaven and eternal glory.
The Bible tells us to let the mind which was in Christ be our mind.
To many, the story started in mankind. God created Adam, then Eve. Adam and Eve were tempted, ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and all mankind fell in Adam. That’s where they start the story: in mankind in Adam, his creation, and his fall.
Adam is the starting point of so much preaching and teaching today, and so much systematic theology. Systematic theology is, in simplest terms, how people put the story together line upon line and precept upon precept. But, starting all our thoughts in Adam on earth in time in flesh is not the view of God or the larger testimony of scripture.
The eternal vision of God saw and planned all before the earth and mankind were created. God’s plan was planned in full before time as we know it began. God’s purpose and grace in Jesus Christ was given to us before the world began according to His power and love; not according to our works. What God would do for us through Jesus had nothing to do with our works. God’s will and plan had everything to do with His own purpose and grace born of His own character, goodness, and Divine Love. Heaven, and God’s plan being carried out in this temporal creation, is not fueled or filled by our works but rather by the contents of God’s Heart.
2 Timothy 8:8-10 “Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:”
Reality is eternal.
Can we see Eternity? Can we see past Adam in time on earth in flesh in the Garden of Eden to see Jesus before the world began? Can we break central focus on mankind and turn our eyes to Jesus as we see God’s eternal purpose and plan worked out in and through Jesus in this temporal Genesis first creation? The scripture is calling us to think eternally as we think of things above not of earth.
The Bible tells us again and again to seek God’s face with all of our hearts. When our hearts can see Eternity free of temporal thinking, then our whole hearts will have power to see the face of Jesus fully.
The strongholds of Satan blind us to the Light of the face of Jesus. Satan keeps us trapped in a temporal system of thought that thinks of things below and the things of man. We must care for the things of God from above, not the things of man.
We may not realize it yet, but when we think temporally we are thinking thoughts centered in ourselves in time on earth in flesh. To begin a system of biblical thinking in Adam in time on earth in flesh is, quite basically, a self-centered view of reality in which we think about ourselves and the things of man.
A theological system that begins in Adam in time on earth in flesh is inherently a temporal system of thought that cannot comprehend the eternal whole counsel plan of God.
To begin one’s thoughts with either “God gave mankind free will” or “all mankind fell in Adam” will develop a temporal system of theology that explains man’s experience on earth as the earthly revelation… but it will not comprehend the Heavenly revelation or explain God’s eternal whole counsel plan.
Peter was thinking temporally and carnally of the things of man, not eternally and spiritually with the mind of Christ of the things of God. Jesus gave Peter to know he was in the wrong spirit.
Matthew 16:21-23 “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took Him, and began to rebuke Him, saying, ‘Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.’ But He turned and said unto Peter, ‘Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men’.”
We must know what Jesus knew and understand what Jesus understood so that we can walk as Jesus walked. Jesus Christ was not thinking “moment by moment” seeing nothing of God in Eternity. Jesus Christ was not thinking “day by day” with no concept of a predestined plan for His life on earth. .
Jesus came to do the will of the Father with an understanding of the predestined will of God for His life. Jesus knew He came from above. Jesus knew He would go to the cross, die a death to sin, the flesh, this world, and the devil, then rise again to ascend to the right hand of God the Father. Jesus knew He was returning to destroy all evil, make all things new, and deliver up the Kingdom to His Father when New Jerusalem came down from Heaven.
Jesus came from Heaven where He saw the original blueprint of the Genesis creation: the Heaven and earth above us where New Jerusalem is presently seated. When Jesus was sent to create the Genesis creation, Jesus knew God was recreating the Heaven and earth that is presently above us. Jesus Christ knew that the first Genesis creation He created would be destroyed at Omega, then recreated anew as the perfect reproduction of the original Heaven and earth presently above us.
Jesus Christ was fully aware that in the recreation of the first Genesis creation, all the whole Genesis creation would then become the original Heaven and earth from which He first came.
Jesus never had a “first Genesis creation-centered” temporal mindset. But, “God gave man free will” or “all mankind fell in Adam” as starting points of frameworks by which to understand God’s plan are “first Genesis creation-centered” temporal mindsets. A “first Genesis creation-centered” mindset is a temporal and man-centered system of thought. It is not an eternal frame of thought setting forth God’s eternal whole counsel plan.
An eternal frame of thought setting forth God’s eternal whole counsel plan would begin in God the Father in the First Estate of Heaven and in that Heaven and earth with New Jerusalem above with it’s population. The first Genesis creation is a temporal creation predestined to be destroyed. It is the First Estate of Heaven that God sent Jesus to recreate in final summation.
Mankind is merely a temporal race on a temporal creation. Neither mankind nor the first Genesis creation would be the “proof text”, limit, or focus of an accurate and Christ-centered eternal whole counsel revelation.
A Christ-centered and all-encompassing vision of God’s eternal whole counsel plan begins in God… in Eternity… not in a temporal first Genesis creation in the temporal flesh of a temporal human race.
Both Calvinism and Arminiasm present to us a temporal vision centered in a temporal Genesis creation and in a temporal race of man… never seeing that the end result of the recreated Genesis creation is in fact the truly eternal Heaven and earth above us recreated anew through Jesus Christ.
The more truly eternal our vision… the more insignificant the temporal Genesis creation, the temporal race of man according to his temporal flesh, and the sufferings of this present time. What matters is the new creation, the Israel of God from above, world without end, and He who was, and is, and is to come.
Romans 8: 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, 21 unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus knew everything about His life on earth as a man, His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension; His return, delivering the Kingdom up to His Father – everything from Alpha to Omega - was planned and predestined by God the Father.
Jesus said, “I and My Father are one".