Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November

[cow451]

There are a lot of people, including elected officials, who are absolutely determined not to allow safeguards on illegal voting to be reinstituted, so I cannot agree with that view.

And when there is not even an attempt at explaining away what apparently are changes that invite fraud, I am even the more convinced. Sure, anyone can reel off nasty, hateful comments about Republicans, but that doesn't do a thing to insure free and fair elections.

Soooo…… did Biden win Arizona legitimately?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Sure, anyone can reel off nasty, hateful comments about Republicans, but that doesn't do a thing to insure free and fair elections.

Certainly all of Trump's and his camp's comments about the Republican election officials and governors of Georgia and Arizona have not helped.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

The allegation that the number of potential bogus votes exceeds the margin of victory is predicated on 1.) these estimates being correct, 2.) the assumption that there is no overlap among the categories of problematic ballots (i.e. that no one ballot is counted in 2 or more of these categories), and 3.) that the illegitimate votes were illegitimate in a way that mattered to the presidential election.

Volume 3, pg 6 has this breakdown of the first of the above categories, "Mail-In Ballots Voted from Prior Address":

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I don't know which of these three categories qualify as technically legal or illegal votes, but the first one would have no substantive impact on the county-level results for the presidential election since those voters stayed within Maricopa. Assuming that category is made up of voters who were otherwise eligible to vote and who would/should have done so at their new, in-Maricopa addresses, those votes would still have counted towards Maricopa's presidential totals.

Eliminating those 15,035 vote from the "potentially bogus" tally is sufficient to get the number of potentially-bogus ballots down below Biden's margin of victory.

Normally when we have someone in Virginia who is legally allowed to vote but shows up at the wrong polling place, we redirect them to where they should go. Now we do have the problem of someone who isnt anywhere near their registration polling station, for example, moves the weekend of the election from Northern VA to SE VA. In that case, you're out of luck:

If you were turned away because you were at the wrong polling location, then you will need to vote at the polling location that is associated with the voter registration address. You can look up the polling address using Polling Place Lookup.
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Otherwise, that person can request a provisional ballot.

Arizona might provide a provisional ballot for those second cases, no idea.

 

[Tom 1]

If all of that were true, you might, just might, be right. But of course that's not what the people I referred to have been saying. No, they have not just charged that the 'confidence' of the people has been or could be 'undermined.'

They said that for anyone to even question the results of the election where no recount, let alone a forensic examination of the ballots, was done...amounted to them attacking democracy! That's quite a scary departure from responsible political speech.

The things you are referring to, to the extent that what you are saying isn’t distorted, were said after the fact - after numerous partisan (GOP/Trump’s inner circle) investigations, double recounts, court hearings, mass calls to individual voters - and so on ad infinitum - proved beyond doubt that the 2020 election was not influenced by election fraud. Despite all of the insinuations and distortions of fact, this is the simple, basic, verifiable reality.

 

[wing2000]

The things you are referring to, to the extent that what you are saying isn’t distorted, were said after the fact - after numerous partisan (GOP/Trump’s inner circle), double recounts, court hearings, mass calls to individual voters - and so on ad infinitum - proved beyond doubt that the 2020 election was not influenced by election fraud. Despite all of the insinuations and distortions of fact, this is the simple, basic, verifiable reality.

Kicked off by the loser's declaration as election results were rolling in.... -- "Frankly, we did win this election"

He had plenty of enablers since, including elected officials....and a few well known posters here....

 

[miamited]

@Albion

There are a lot of people, including elected officials, who are absolutely determined not to allow safeguards on illegal voting to be reinstituted, so I cannot agree with that view.

I'm curious to know what you believe to be 'safeguards' that we could put in place that we don't already have in place. And please, don't bring up the signature verification process. The process currently in place has been in place for dozens of years, and as yet, there are no findings that over all those years there has been any fraud to amount to a hill of beans.

And when there is not even an attempt at explaining away what apparently are changes that invite fraud,

I'm just as curious to know 'what' changes have been made that invite fraud, and whether there is any proof that such changes actually 'allowed' fraud.

You and I, as I have mentioned earlier have been in discussion before. Sometimes on the same side and sometimes not, but you do have a tendency in a lot of your rebuttal posts to just make claims that you can't seem to support with any factual findings. You've just heard someone say...kind of like the 'former guy' always telling his true believers that "...a lot of people say." "There are people telling me..." But he never really identifies who any of those people are. It's just a phrase that he's learned makes a lot of his diehard fans repeat and repeat and repeat the claims, also without ever making any determination as to whether the claim is true or just bluster to bolster a position that can't be bolstered in any other way than to say that "There are people out there who say..."

I believe you to be a nice person with a reasonable intelligence, but I have to say that all of your posturing without evidence gets old. There have been some 60 legal cases brought by Trump and crew and every one of them has come to naught. Now I know that for his loyal co-conspirators, the claim is that the evidence was never even heard. That's true as to its not being heard by a jury, but often times a judge looks at what is claimed to be evidence and knows that it is prima facia false or untrustworthy.

For example: There was a claim that they had the testimony of someone who saw a truck being loaded with ballots to supposedly be taken out and burned. But there is no hard evidence that what the testimony says by some stranger who has no hand in the process, is actually true. And any evidence that the legal team presenting the case is able to bring forward is just hearsay verbal telling. There are no pictures that show the boxes are ballots. There are no pictures of following the same truck to the burn site and seeing the ballots burned. It's just a claim by someone who saw something that they thought was suspicious, but can't actually prove that what they think the alleged suspicious activity was about. On further examination it turns out that the person was right...except that the ballots in question were not actual ballots from the election, but rather practice ballots used to train the election staff as to how a ballot had to be filled out and how it would be handled, etc. So the judge has the authority, before trial, to discredit such evidence.

Most of the charges however have been outright 'proved' to be false and we're now finding some evidence, which will be investigated, that the Trump team knew all along that all these charges were false, but they had to keep the game going. Friend, this is a president of the United States that we're talking about here. A president involved in one of the largest election conspiracy theories to have ever been foisted upon a people. And every time that you put up such arguments against the facts, you're just feeding the ego of a man who honestly all of his life would stop at nothing...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to win. There is no lie or dishonesty or cheat that he will not stoop to make himself a winner.

Come on. Do some digging. Look at the real actual evidence and not just consider that stories you've heard qualify as evidence. Be a man of God and seek for truth.

God bless,
Ted

 

[cow451]

@Albion

Come on. Do some digging. Look at the real actual evidence and not just consider that stories you've heard qualify as evidence.

God bless,
Ted

Ted... ever the optimist.

 

[Sparagmos]

Arizona audit draft report confirms Biden beat Trump in 2020

A monthslong hand recount of Maricopa County’s 2020 vote confirmed that President Joe Biden won and the election was not “stolen” from former President Donald Trump, according to early versions of a report prepared for the Arizona Senate.

The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas, the Senate’s lead contractor, includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results. The data in the report also confirms that U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly won in the county.

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BIDEN WINS AGAIN!

I hear Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are next.

So is this why they’ve been stalling on releasing the results, because the results are SO BAD for their narrative?

 

[Albion]

@Albion

I'm curious to know what you believe to be 'safeguards' that we could put in place that we don't already have in place. And please, don't bring up the signature verification process. The process currently in place has been in place for dozens of years, and as yet, there are no findings that over all those years there has been any fraud to amount to a hill of beans.

You're not being serious, Ted. Either you want to know what policies would promote voter integrity or you don't. But I will say this: most of them are simply to return to what had been the policy for decades until the wholesale changes that were made last year. They are not some restrictions that are novel and/or super stringent, although I know that the opponents of doing anything at all love to make that claim.

You don't get to ask the question of me and then immediately rule out some of the policies because of a proviso that you add, saying "That one doesn't change the outcome, so it's not fraud and cannot be discussed" or "That other one has been around for a long time, so it also cannot be discussed."

 

[Blade]

So some just have to keep president Trump in the news.... ok but going back few presidents to hear Biden got more votes ever cast... haha does not get touched. Something many.... many on the left question...... but are willing to look the other way. That is scary.

 

[Sparagmos]

I for one am waiting for the Senate to issue its report
Benny appears to be a Never Trumper from his statements from articles dating back at lest a year.

This report came from the Cyber Ninjas, you know, the "stop the steal" people who are also part of that cult we don’t talk about. Not Benny White.

 

[miamited]

@cow451

Ted... ever the optimist.

Yes, a glutton for punishment. I just believe in my heart of hearts that we've got to put a stop to this divisive and destructive pack of lies that is keeping this narrative of a stolen election going. We've got to put it behind us if we are ever to heal as a nation and ever return to being a 'united' States of America.

I'm just foolish enough to think that there must be someway that we can talk sense into people who are caught up in this massive lie.

Ever the optimist!

I mean I get it that we are rife, as a nation, with some discontent that some don't like the way that Kennedy did this or Bush did that or Obama did this or Trump did that, but those things generally eventually fall into the rear view mirror and we learn that the world does still rotate despite some politician doing something that we personally didn't agree with. We will get over the mechanics of how the war in Afghanistan was ended. We will get over the partially built wall that Trump built (no pun intended). But this division seems to be really, really deep and there doesn't seem to be any letting go in sight. Mostly all because we have a man who, unfortunately, served as President of the United States, whose effort is to undermine the entire country and the democratic principles for which it stands. That really bothers me. How people can approve, especially now after 10 months and not a chance in Hades that he would ever be reinstated as president, of a past President of the United States acting as this man does towards our country. Even if he won (no he didn't) it's time to let it go because as the President of the United States you believe in the democratic process and what's best for our nation. It's over. It's just over. It's all over folks!!!!!

God bless,
Ted

 

[Subduction Zone]

Arizona audit draft report confirms Biden beat Trump in 2020

A monthslong hand recount of Maricopa County’s 2020 vote confirmed that President Joe Biden won and the election was not “stolen” from former President Donald Trump, according to early versions of a report prepared for the Arizona Senate.

The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas, the Senate’s lead contractor, includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results. The data in the report also confirms that U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly won in the county.

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BIDEN WINS AGAIN!

I hear Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are next.

What?! Biden won? Great. Well just great. Now we have to count them all over again. Sooner or later Trump will have won. Not to worry. Trump has a sure fire method to prove that he won. Why didn't we think of this earlier. Trump now wants to audit (drumroll please) . . . Texas!!!

"Hours after Trump published a public letter to Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott demanding an election audit, the office of Texas' secretary of state announced Thursday that the process had already begun in the two largest Democratic-leaning counties and the two biggest Republican counties, Dallas, Harris, Tarrant and Collin. Trump wrote in his letter that "Texans know voting fraud occurred in some of their counties. Let's get to the bottom of the 2020 presidential election scam!""

Bogus GOP Arizona audit confirms the obvious: Biden won - CNNPolitics

If anyone can do it, Trump can. Taking his record into account it looks like he wants to prove that Biden won Texas too

 

[essentialsaltes]

 

[Albion]

It's already been noted (not by me) that CNN (!) didn't give out all the facts.

So sorry, all of those here who immediately cheered but didn't know that this report was only a re-counting of the existing ballots and not an examination of them. That's what the people in Arizona have been trying to get for months so that we can settle this at last.

 

[miamited]

You're not being serious, Ted. Either you want to know what policies would promote voter integrity or you don't. But I will say this: most of them are simply to return to what had been the policy for decades until the wholesale changes that were made last year. They are not some restrictions that are novel and/or super stringent, although I know that the opponents of doing anything at all love to make that claim.

You don't get to ask the question of me and then immediately rule out some of the policies because of a proviso that you add, saying "That one doesn't change the outcome, so it's not fraud and cannot be discussed" or "That other one has been around for a long time, so it also cannot be discussed."

@Albion

Ohhh, it looks like @cow451 is right. Here you are, responding again to one of my posts with all kinds of factless statements. BTW for the question I asked of you, I ruled out one, read this carefutlly ONE!!!!! possible response. So your claim that I don't get to ask the question of you and immediately rule out 'some' of the policies because of a proviso that I added, saying "That one doesn't change the outcome, so it's not fraud and cannot be discussed" or "That other one has been around for a long time, so it also cannot be discussed." There was no 'other' one. It was one...ONE!!! And yes, there is no proof offered as yet that there was any fraud in the signature verification process that would have changed the outcome. So, if you want to come back at me on this, please, please come back with some facts and figures. Some numbers and EVIDENCE that rebuts what I have written. Your word isn't particularly trustworthy in this issue.

BTW is that really all you've got? That the signature verification process is the whole entire basis on which this 'fraudulent election' narrative rests?

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

So is this why they’ve been stalling on releasing the results, because the results are SO BAD for their narrative?

@Sparagmos

Honestly, I was talking to my son last weekend and that's what I said to him. That I believed this claim that the report couldn't be finished on time as first agreed upon because some of the principles contracted Covid was likely just a story to buy time.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Brihaha]

Trump paid $3,000,000 for an audit of one county in Wisconsin. It revealed another 87 earned votes for Biden. Now this "audit" in one county in Arizona apparently netted Biden another 360 votes in the final tally. I wonder if the fraudsters will be prosecuted for these undercounts? Republicans have been crying for accountability after all.

 

[cow451]

Trump paid $3,000,000 for an audit of one county in Wisconsin.

Trust me, Donald J. Trump did not spend a personal dime.

 

[iluvatar5150]

So some just have to keep president Trump in the news.....

That would be the Arizona Republicans who commissioned this audit.