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That is a red herring (deliberate misrepresentation), and you know it.
The scriptures teach us God is the only who knows our thoughts and hearts.

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People seem to believe that Jesus is okay with us living a life of perpetual sin.

Please quote my whole post so you can see the context

Yes, I agree it's not the law that saves, but obeying is considered good fruit and what separates us from being one of God's saints. That means if we slip and fall we have an Advocate with Jesus who is faithful and just to forgive us. People seem to believe that Jesus is okay with us living a life of perpetual sin. We can gain victory over our sins and Jesus provides us the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:15-18. When we walk with God's Spirit and have God's laws written on our hearts and mind we obey because of our love for our Savior and it is shown through our actions.

That is a red herring (deliberate misrepresentation), and you know it.

I should have used the word *some* other than that what exactly is the misrepresentation you are claiming I knowingly made?
 
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Hello controversial posters.


Did you know that the Father instructed the Son, and the Son then passes all down to us ?


My point for you here is, on controversial issues, it is as far away from being taught by Jesus ourselves, as can be, because all it stands for is strife?

You guys do realize you are participating on strife 101 ?


As you have discussed about the law, I can tell you a little detail. The law came through a mediator, for the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ..



John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;




Now, see the purpose of grace and truth only by Jesus Christ, because there is one law giver, ( Jesus Christ now as it is the law of Christ to bear one another burdens) and that shows you will be judged,m by talking in endless judgment discussions..


James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?



Again,the purpose of all of this, is to eradicate the ones who teach other ( and teach others seductively falsely) by revealing the only teacher is Jesus Christ and always was, because all other before Him was false and all after of course the wolves entered the flock....


Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Ephesians 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



The world is deceived through these strivings, through debate, arguing, and by the devil as an angel of light ( very deceptive and subtle) but I did come onto the forum to give one last testimony, and sin is the transgression of the law, and those in Christ abide in His doctrine, and they who transgress do not.


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
 
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SabbathBlessings: "Not sure how you would know what I feel or think. God is the only who knows our thoughts and hearts."



I noticed you said that earlier on a post, but it is not correct.


A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, and the evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit, then we know them by their fruits..


Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


A good man out of the good treasure of his heart, brings forth good, and the evil man out of the evil heart, brings forth evil..


Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


Then we see this in light now, how the Sword of the Spirit, gives us the understanding to know the hearts, and by the abundance of their heart, their mouth speaks, it tells me all that is in their heart, I do see all..


Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 
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SabbathBlessings: "Not sure how you would know what I feel or think. God is the only who knows our thoughts and hearts."



I noticed you said that earlier on a post, but it is not correct.


A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, and the evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit, then we know them by their fruits..


Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


A good man out of the good treasure of his heart, brings forth good, and the evil man out of the evil heart, brings forth evil..


Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.


Then we see this in light now, how the Sword of the Spirit, gives us the understanding to know the hearts, and by the abundance of their heart, their mouth speaks, it tells me all that is in their heart, I do see all..


Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hello and nice to meet you!

I think you might be confusing our thoughts with our actions. We are known by our fruits, which is shown through our actions. I am unaware of scripture stating that humans can read thoughts or heart, especially strangers on the internet!

God bless
 
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Hello Clare, did I have a misunderstanding of what you posted here...?
You are not representing correctly what I posted here:
You can do better than this. Is that what I stated above?All that remains is the Decalogue, which is fulfilled in Jesus NT commands of Matthew 22:37-41.

Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."
 
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Well this is not to me again but your scriptures were specifically addressed here in post # 86 linked

Take Care.
They address arguments I do not make.

My argument is:
Clare3 said:
You are correct, the law is not made just obsolete, it is abolished.

All that remains is the Decalogue, which is fulfilled in Jesus NT commands of Matthew 22:37-41 (Romans 13:8-10).
Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."
 
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You are not representing correctly what I posted here:
Romans 13:8-10 is Paul showing that love is not separate from Gods' law and that Gods' 10 commandments are not abolished but obeyed in those who are born again into Gods' new covenant promise to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. This is in disagreement to your first statement I posted earlier...
Clare73 said: You are correct, the law is not made just obsolete, it is abolished.
God's 10 commandments are not abolished according to the new covenant scriptures. Their purpose is to give is the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be made free from our sins to walk in newness of life *Romans 6:1-23. Those who are born again *John 3:3-7 do not practice known repentant sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following what God's Word says *Romans 14:23.
Love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to God's law and the Spirit of how Gods' law is to be kept in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to Paul the law is holy, just and good and the standard of good when obeyed and evil or sin when broken (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). Did I miss something or do I have a misunderstanding as to what you were saying?

Take Care.
 
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The scriptures teach us God is the only who knows our thoughts and hearts.

Sabbath Blessings Said:
People seem to believe that Jesus is okay with us living a life of perpetual sin.

Please quote my whole post so you can see the context

Yes, I agree it's not the law that saves, but obeying is considered good fruit and what separates us from being one of God's saints. That means if we slip and fall we have an Advocate with Jesus who is faithful and just to forgive us. People seem to believe that Jesus is okay with us living a life of perpetual sin. We can gain victory over our sins and Jesus provides us the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:15-18. When we walk with God's Spirit and have God's laws written on our hearts and mind we obey because of our love for our Savior and it is shown through our actions.



I should have used the word *some* other than that what exactly is the misrepresentation you are claiming I knowingly made?
More dodging and equivocating. . .

One more time, you did not specifically address the Scriptures I presented, showing they do not teach what I present them as teaching, TO WIT:

the "law" which was weak and useless to make perfect (Hebrews 7:18),
the "law" that was weak and powerless in that it was weakened by the sinful nature (flesh)--Romans 8:3,
the "law" that was a curse for all who relied on it (Galatians 3:10),
the "law" that made no one righteous (Romans 3:20),
the "law" that was excluded from righteousness/justification (Romans 4:4-6),
the "law" with its commands and regulations that was abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).

All that remains is the Decalogue, which is fulfilled in Jesus NT commands of Matthew 22:37-41.

Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be
are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."

First things first. . .when you do that, I will then address the Scriptures you present.
 
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They address arguments I do not make. My argument is: Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."
Your mixing up the discussions. Please see post # 85 linked which addresses this comment below from the same post
Clare73 said: You are correct, the law is not made just obsolete, it is abolished.
and goes through your scriptures showing that love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law...

On the other hand post # 86 linked addressed these comments below that you tried to use earlier to support your claim that Gods 10 commandments are abolished that you posted to someone else...
Clare73 said: Nothing in those posts specifically addresses Hebrews 7:12, 18; Romans 7:18, 8:3; nor Ephesians 2:15. I await your exegesis of them as they relate to your argument. Yes, you are dodging and wanting to argue about the argument itself, rather than refute the argument itself, through exegesis of the Scriptures I presented, showing they do not teach what I state they do.
I am posting in regards to the comments you made above. Have I had a misunderstanding of what you have posted?

Hope this is helpful.
 
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More dodging and equivocating. . .

One more time, you did not specifically address the Scriptures I presented, showing they do not teach what I present them as teaching.

First things first. . .when you do that, I will then address the Scriptures you present.
Hmmmm, you make a pretty harsh accusation without anything backing it up, other than a statement of opinion and you say I am the one dodging?

I think its best I leave this conversation as I can see it’s not going anywhere and resorting to name calling is not something I’m comfortable with.

God bless Claire.
 
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Romans 13:8-10 is Paul showing that love is not separate from Gods' law and that Gods' 10 commandments are not abolished but obeyed in those who are born again into Gods' new covenant promise to love *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Ezekiel 36:24-27. This is in disagreement to your first statement I posted earlier...

God's 10 commandments are not abolished according to the new covenant scriptures. Their purpose is to give is the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and be made free from our sins to walk in newness of life *Romans 6:1-23. Those who are born again *John 3:3-7 do not practice known repentant sin *1 John 3:6-9 and sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11 and not believing and following what God's Word says *Romans 14:23.
Love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to God's law and the Spirit of how Gods' law is to be kept in all those who believe and follow what Gods' Word says. According to Paul the law is holy, just and good and the standard of good when obeyed and evil or sin when broken (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). Did I miss something or do I have a misunderstanding as to what you were saying?

Take Care.
Previously addressed. . .
 
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Previously addressed. . .
What was previously addressed? I did not get a response back from you in regards to the comments you made that were addressed through the scriptures posted in post # 85 linked and post # 86 linked. Do you agree with what was posted to you in the linked posts above or did you just not want to discuss them? You do not have to if you do not want to. It is up to you.
 
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Hmmmm, you make a pretty harsh accusation without anything backing it up, other than a statement of opinion and you say I am the one dodging?

I think its best I leave this conversation as I can see it’s not going anywhere and resorting to name calling is not something I’m comfortable with.

God bless Claire.
Another dodge. . .the Scriptres I presented remain unaddressed specifically:

the "law" which was weak and useless to make perfect (Hebrews 7:18),
the "law" that was weak and powerless in that it was weakened by the sinful nature (flesh)--Romans 8:3,
the "law" that was a curse for all who relied on it (Galatians 3:10),
the "law" that made no one righteous (Romans 3:20),
the "law" that was excluded from righteousness/justification (Romans 4:4-6),
the "law" with its commands and regulations that was abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).

All that remains is the Decalogue, which is fulfilled in Jesus NT commands of Matthew 22:37-41.

Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be
are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."
 
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Another dodge. . .the Scriptres I presented remain unaddressed specifically:

the "law" which was weak and useless to make perfect (Hebrews 7:18),
the "law" that was weak and powerless in that it was weakened by the sinful nature (flesh)--Romans 8:3,
the "law" that was a curse for all who relied on it (Galatians 3:10),
the "law" that made no one righteous (Romans 3:20),
the "law" that was excluded from righteousness/justification (Romans 4:4-6),
the "law" with its commands and regulations that was abolished on the cross (Ephesians 2:15).

All that remains is the Decalogue, which is fulfilled in Jesus NT commands of Matthew 22:37-41.

Romans 13:8-10 - " 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not murder,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not covet,' and whatever other commandment there may be
are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no harm to its neighbor.
THEREFORE, love is the fulfullment of the law."
If love is the fulfillment of the law, do you show love to God when you break the commandments or keep them?
 
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If love is the fulfillment of the law, do you show love to God when you break the commandments or keep them?
I think this is the point people get confused on. Love is expressed in obedience to God's law not by breaking Gods' law. This is what Jesus is saying in Matthew 22:36-40; Paul in Romans 13:8-10; James in James 2:8-12 and John in 1 John 5:2-3. According to the scriptures if we break Gods' law we are still "under the law" according to Romans 3:19-20 standing before God, guilty of sin. According to the scriptures, sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4 and according to John, those who knowingly practice sin and those who do not is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil * 1 John 3:4-10; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12 and Revelation 22:14. Therefore the scriptures are teaching if we are knowingly living a life breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments and claim that we know God we are not telling the truth according to 1 John 2:3-4 and are in danger of the judgement in Hebrews 10:26-31 and need to seek God's forgiveness *1 John 2:1-2 to be born again to newness of life by the Spirit of God *1 John 3:6-9; Romans 6:1-23.

Happy Sabbath sis! :)
 
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Your mixing up the discussions. Please see post # 85 linked which addresses this comment below from the same post
and goes through your scriptures showing that love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law...
See post #108.
On the other hand post # 86 linked addressed these comments below that you tried to use earlier to support your claim that Gods 10 commandments are abolished that you posted to someone else...
See post #126.
 
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If love is the fulfillment of the law, do you show love to God when you break the commandments or keep them?
Non-responsive to the Scriptures which you have not specifically addressed.
 
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See post #108.
See post #126.
What about post # 108 and post # 126? As posted earlier... post # 85 linked addresses this comment below from the same post
Clare73 said: You are correct, the law is not made just obsolete, it is abolished.
and goes through your scriptures showing that love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law...

On the other hand post # 86 linked addressed these comments below that you tried to use earlier to support your claim that Gods 10 commandments are abolished that you posted to someone else...
Clare73 said: Nothing in those posts specifically addresses Hebrews 7:12, 18; Romans 7:18, 8:3; nor Ephesians 2:15. I await your exegesis of them as they relate to your argument. Yes, you are dodging and wanting to argue about the argument itself, rather than refute the argument itself, through exegesis of the Scriptures I presented, showing they do not teach what I state they do.
All you have done in this current post by posting post #'s is ignore the above scriptures and linked posts shared with you that disagree with your earlier comments. So did you do you agree with the above linked posts addressing your comments above? If not why not?
 
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What about post # 108 and post # 126? As posted earlier... post # 85 linked addresses this comment below from the same post
and goes through your scriptures showing that love does not abolish Gods' law it is expressed in obedience to Gods' law...

On the other hand post # 86 linked addressed these comments below that you tried to use earlier to support your claim that Gods 10 commandments are abolished that you posted to someone else...

All you have done in this current post by posting post #'s is ignore the above scriptures and linked posts shared with you that disagree with your earlier comments. So did you do you agree with the above linked posts addressing your comments above?
Previously addressed. . .
 
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