Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[KCfromNC]

That is 10k cases per day

That is 10k cases per day as opposed to 14k cases in 176 million people over the period of time the vaccine has been available. You might want to think about your chances of contracting covid a little more carefully.

I'm starting to worry I might not get a good answer to why I should conclude that vaccines are ineffective.

 

[KCfromNC]

No, that's 10k cases over 7 days.

Cases | NC COVID-19

No, the post you're replying to was correct. The stats about breakthrough cases were for the US as a whole, as were those for the daily case rates.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

No, that's 10k cases over 7 days.

Cases | NC COVID-19

No that is the average daily cases. Yesterday there were 23,742 new cases in NC alone reported.

 

[KCfromNC]

No, that's 10k cases over 7 days.

Cases | NC COVID-19

Oh, wait, I see. It was showing that the number of breakthrough cases was really small - the entire US had fewer breakthrough hospitalization over a 3 month period than a single state had cases over just a few days.

 

[KCfromNC]

14k vaccinated Americans either hospitalized or died from covid (or vaccine reaction): COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Oh, missed the claim about deaths from the vaccine. Any evidence for that claim, given the link you gave says nothing about it?

 

[Hammster]

That passage doesn't prescribe the role of government. It's telling people to obey government, a position that you seem to mock in post 320.

It says it obey the government as far as the government is aligned with God. It’s government’s that do good, not evil. I’m sure you wouldn’t support Christians surrendering to the Taliban and face certain death.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Oh, wait, I see. It was showing that the number of breakthrough cases was really small - the entire US had fewer breakthrough cases over a 3 month period than a single state had over just a few days.

Well his 14k number is actually hospitalized breakthrough cases of which 2675 resulted in death.

 

[Hammster]

Reformed baptist, presbyterian (how ever it is spelled), calvinist, whatever, I'm not interested in any "preacher" having power.

What is with you guys and theocracy? This is America, a nation with a secular government.

I never said anything about them having power.

 

[Hammster]

No, everyone should be vaccinated to protect everyone in society.

Then everyone should submit to Christ so that they won’t spend eternity in hell. That’s much worse than Covid.

 

[Hammster]

out of....

• More than 176 million people in the United States have been fully vaccinated as of September 7, 2021.

I like my chances.

And some like their chances of surviving Covid.

 

[Belk]

If the vaccinated still spread covid, then what "protection" are you speaking of?

That would be the 80% reduction in the spread that is well documented plus herd immunity. Or do you think immunologists are all lying to you and the past success against virus are all a fluke?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Obviously you don’t understand. But then again, many Christians don’t, either.

I understand that the Biblical view of government is directly at odds with the founders' view of government.

So... when we're expected to follow both the Bible and the founders, what happens when they irreconcilably disagree?

 

[Belk]

Then everyone should submit to Christ so that they won’t spend eternity in hell. That’s much worse than Covid.

Do I really need to remind you to stick to the topic?

 

[Hammster]

I understand that the Biblical view of government is directly at odds with the founders' view of government.

So... when we're expected to follow both the Bible and the founders, what happens when they irreconcilably disagree?

We get tyranny.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It says it obey the government as far as the government is aligned with God. It’s government’s that do good, not evil. I’m sure you wouldn’t support Christians surrendering to the Taliban and face certain death.

Except that the government -- all governments-- are allegedly instituted by God.

Taliban, schmaliban... the Romans were persecuting Christians; how were Christians expected to respond?

 

[Hammster]

Do I really need to remind you to stick to the topic?

I’m just making the same (but improved) argument.

 

[98cwitr]

That would be the 80% reduction in the spread that is well documented plus herd immunity. Or do you think immunologists are all lying to you and the past success against virus are all a fluke?

I think science is settled in that herd immunity can be achieved without a vaccine via natural immunity post-infection, yet people who have had covid are still told to get the vaccine. Fauci couldn't come up with an answer as to why. Fauci says to get the vaccine to reduce viral loads, yet we're talking about a virus with a 99.7% survivability rate for those under 65, and the covid deaths are not being calculated as causal, but merely correlary. Vaccines aren't slowing the spread, and therefore the blame on the unvaccinated is unwarranted. Want to stop the burdening on hospitals? Quit firing the staff.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We get tyranny.

Do we now?

Bible -- All governments derive their authority from God (Romans 13:1)

Founders -- governments derive their authority from the consent of the governed (Declaration of Independence)

Remind me again which one leads to tyranny?

 

[Hammster]

Except that the government -- all governments-- are allegedly instituted by God.

Taliban, schmaliban... the Romans were persecuting Christians; how were Christians expected to respond?

They were expected to live good and godly lives, and be instrumental in the growth of Christ’s kingdom. That’s why there is no more Roman Empire.

 

[Hammster]

Do we now?

Bible -- All governments derive their authority from God (Romans 13:1)

Founders -- governments derive their authority from the consent of the governed (Declaration of Independence)

Remind me again which one leads to tyranny?

Context, context, context.