Biden Drops the Hammer on Unvaccinated

[TLK Valentine]

Lol. That’s not how it works.

Works fine for me.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why would you even question the government? They obviously know what’s best for you.

Sorry, I'm not a conservative. I thought you knew that already...

 

[iluvatar5150]

But not by controlling each and every action. The government does so by bearing the sword and punishing the evil. It’s not evil to not be vaccinated.

What an oddly myopic and theocratic view of government. No, the purpose of government (at least not the American government) is not "punishing evil". That may be one of the duties we assign it, but by and large, it's more accurate to say that it's purpose is to protect rights by keeping us out of each other's way.

It is the government's business to be "concerned" with the effects that one person's actions have on another within the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution!

That's what we're debating here--whether or not the government has unlimited power to impose its will upon the citizens.

That some posters think the answer to that question is "yes" or that anybody holding such a view is therefore "right wing" or an apologist for wrongdoing is troubling, to say the least.

Then you should talk to @Hammster, because he seems to think the government's business is fighting evil.

The only people they are a so-called risk to are others who choose to not be vaccinated.

Not correct, but you already knew that.

 

[Hammster]

Works fine for me.

No kidding.

 

[Hammster]

Sorry, I'm not a conservative. I thought you knew that already...

I have no idea what your point is.

 

[Hammster]

What an oddly myopic and theocratic view of government. No, the purpose of government (at least not the American government) is not "punishing evil". That may be one of the duties we assign it, but by and large, it's more accurate to say that it's purpose is to protect rights by keeping us out of each other's way.

As a professing Christian, I would think you’d agree with scripture.


For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
— Romans 13:3-4

 

[TLK Valentine]

As a professing Christian, I would think you’d agree with scripture.


For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
— Romans 13:3-4

Indeed...

Why would you even question the government? They obviously know what’s best for you.

 

[Hammster]

Indeed...

Obviously you don’t understand. But then again, many Christians don’t, either.

 

[98cwitr]

Maybe the freedom to be unvaccinated and spread preventable diseases to other people children? Oh, wait, nope, we've already lost the "freedom" to to that long ago.

It's all well and good to bring up vague leading questions about "freedoms", but perhaps being more specific would lead to a more useful discussion.

The irony is that the vaccinated are still spreading covid left and right. This argument isn't the horse to sit on any longer.

 

[Vylo]

Thanks. I didn’t think the info was available. I was correct.

you were incorrect on it being experimental, however.

 

[98cwitr]

you were incorrect on it being experimental, however.

Actually he's not. All 3 vaccines currently in distribution are only approved under FDA EUA policy. There is a branded Pfizer vaccine under development that has been granted full FDA approval. While very similar, they are legally distinct.

 

[Hammster]

you were incorrect on it being experimental, however.

When we get the two- and five-year studies, the experiment will be over.

 

[iluvatar5150]

As a professing Christian, I would think you’d agree with scripture.


For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
— Romans 13:3-4

That passage doesn't prescribe the role of government. It's telling people to obey government, a position that you seem to mock in post 320.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Well, please keep a good friend of mine in your prayers, anti-vax and now she and her family all have corona.

 

[Vylo]

Actually he's not. All 3 vaccines currently in distribution are only approved under FDA EUA policy. There is a branded Pfizer vaccine under development that has been granted full FDA approval. While very similar, they are legally distinct.

Pfizer is fully FDA approved.

 

[Vylo]

When we get the two- and five-year studies, the experiment will be over.

That is incorrect. That is not how vaccines work at all. The experiments were already done and concluded. 2 and 5 year studies are not required.

 

[98cwitr]

Pfizer is fully FDA approved.

No, it's not.

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
^^^Branded vaccine COMIRNATY, which was released on Aug 25th as the 3rd shot "booster", is FDA approved.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download


^^^Current vaccine from Pfizer is legally distinct from what is approved and still under EUA. Proof is Page 2 footnote #8, and footnote #9 on page 5.

Study of new vaccine by Pfizer is here

At the time of the analysis of the ongoing Study 2 with a data cut-off of March 13, 2021, there were 25,651 (58.2%) participants (13,031 COMIRNATY and 12,620 placebo) 16 years of age and older followed for ≥4 months after the second dose.

http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=15623

Also,

All pregnancies have a risk of birth defect, loss, or other adverse outcomes. In the US general population, the estimated background risk of major birth defects and miscarriage in clinically recognized pregnancies is 2% to 4% and 15% to 20%, respectively. Available data on COMIRNATY administered to pregnant women are insufficient to inform vaccine-associated risks in pregnancy.

Feeling lied to by the talking heads yet?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Would you trust a presbyterian preacher more??

Reformed baptist, presbyterian (how ever it is spelled), calvinist, whatever, I'm not interested in any "preacher" having power.

What is with you guys and theocracy? This is America, a nation with a secular government.

 

[Vylo]

No, it's not.

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
^^^Branded vaccine COMIRNATY, which is still under development, is FDA approved.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download

^^^Current vaccine from Pfizer is legally distinct from what is approved and still under EUA. Proof is Page 2 footnote #8, and footnote #9 on page 5.

Study of new vaccine by Pfizer is here



http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=15623

Also,



Feeling lied to by the talking heads yet?

You realize it says they are the same vaccine, right? its the same formulation.

"8 The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness."

 

[wing2000]

Reformed baptist, presbyterian (how ever it is spelled), calvinist, whatever, I'm not interested in any "preacher" having power.

What is with you guys and theocracy? This is America, a nation with a secular government.

It seems at least one member here would have us return to the 1600's....