Ceremonial Law like circumcision -- vs moral law of TEN Comm with Sabbath for ALL

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By contrast your post indicates that your entire argument rests on an assumption with no text to it -- namely "The Commandments of God are deleted if you are under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34"

I have never said the commandments of God are "deleted", and you know it.
You would not want to break the 9th commandment.

Hebrews 8:13 says the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete", in the same way my chainsaw has made my axe "obsolete".

My axe is still useful. My axe has not been "deleted".
I still use my axe, but I also have another tool powered by another source of energy that is not mine.

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I have never said the commandments of God are "deleted", and you know it.
You would not want to break the 9th commandment.

Hebrews 8:13 says the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete", in the same way my chainsaw has made my axe "obsolete".

you're not following the point in the post.

I will put it another way --

1. From Adam to today - "there is only ONE Gospel" Gal 1:6-9
2. The NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 is that Gospel where the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers to include the TEN - is "written on the heart and mind" and forgiveness of sins is granted as well as adoption into the family of God.
3. So the NEW Covenant is the ONE Gospel under which all were saved OT or NT who were ever saved and that includes the pre-cross case of Moses and Elijah standing "in glory" with Christ before the Cross.
4. The OLD Covenant is basically "obey and live" as Gal 3 points out and it is THE covenant under which all mankind is lost - all under the condemnation of the law "for all have sinned" Rom 3:23. So then "ALL the WORLD" is lost under that "Agreement" that "covenant" as Rom 3:19-20 reminds us. So ALL need the Gospel.

As I stated before your argument requires you to find a text saying that the Commandments of God were deleted/set-aside/made-null/abolished under that Jer 31:31-34 NEW Covenant and no text says anything like that.

In addition the Old Covenant Law such as "do not take God's name in vain" is still condemning all mankind as sinners - just as the New Covenant Law (such as "Do not take God's name in vain") is written on the heart.

5. The LAW of God written on the heart includes the TEN where "honor your father and mother is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2
 
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As I stated before your argument requires you to find a text saying that the Commandments of God were deleted/set-aside/made-null/abolished under that Jer 31:31-34 NEW Covenant and no text says anything like that.

Why don't you use the word found in Hebrews 8:13, instead of producing your own false narrative above?

What does the Bible say about the relationship between the New Covenant and the Old?

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


A horse is now an "obsolete" mode of transportation in most of the modern world.
However, the horse has not been "deleted/set-aside/made-null/abolished".

Words have meaning.

If we have to ignore the words in the Bible and substitute our own words, we have revealed our man-made doctrine for what it really is.

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Why don't you use the word found in Hebrews 8:13, instead of producing your own false narrative above?
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I prefer actual Bible facts to false accusation of others.

Heb 8:6-12 makes it very clear that Christ is the one speaking at Sinai

1 Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man... 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He (Christ) is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. 8 For in finding fault with the people, He (Christ) says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord (Christ),
When I (Christ) will bring about a new covenant
With the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
9 Not like the covenant which I (Christ) made with their fathers
On the day I (Christ) took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I (Christ) did not care about them, says the Lord (Christ).
10 For this is the covenant which I (Christ) will make with the house of Israel
After those days, declares the Lord:
I (Christ) will put My (Christ) laws into their minds,
And write them on their hearts.
And I (Christ) will be their God,
And they shall be My (Christ) people.
11 And they will not teach, each one his fellow citizen,
And each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
For they will all know Me (Christ),
From the least to the greatest of them.
12 For I (Christ) will be merciful toward their wrongdoings,
And their sins I (Christ) will no longer remember.”
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So then the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 known to Jeremiah and his readers writes the LAW of God "on heart and mind". That includes the TEN according to Paul in Eph 6:2 having "honor your father and mother as the first commandment WITH a promise". And even in the NT - "Sin IS the transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4. Which means it is "still a sin" - to take God's name in vain (Ex 20:7) - even for born again Christians.

So then NO such thing as "God's covenant deleted/removed/annulled/set-aside/made void" - the Commandments of God.

Rather "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
And "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where saints are commanded to "fulfill" compliance with those commandments found in the Law of Moses as noted by Christ in Matt 19 where He says "KEEP the Commandments" - and Paul quotes from that same list in Rom 13.

Rom 3:"31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

A horse is now an "obsolete" mode of transportation
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As I stated before your argument requires you to find a text saying that the Commandments of God were deleted/set-aside/made-null/abolished under that Jer 31:31-34 NEW Covenant and no text says anything like that.

Because the Law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers included the TEN - as Bible scholars in almost all Christian denominations freely admit

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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That is a good example of a text that does not say "the Commandments of God have been made obsolete"

Here is another one "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism
 
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No wonder these Sunday sources all affirm all TEN of the Ten Commandments for Christians and the Sabbath in Eden for all mankind from Eden to the cross.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Have you ever asked any of your sources above how Adam would have committed adultery?

Have you ever asked your sources above how Adam could honor his mother?

This is logic 101.

What does the Bible say?

Moses clearly states in Deuteronomy 5:3 the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time.

Paul confirms this fact in Galatians 3:19, which reveals the Sinai Covenant was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Do you believe your so-called denominational "scholars", or do you believe Moses and the Apostle Paul?

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Have you ever asked any of your sources above how Adam would have committed adultery?

Have you ever asked your sources above how Adam could honor his mother?

This is logic 101.

What does the Bible say?

Moses clearly states in Deuteronomy 5:3 the Sinai Covenant was not given at an earlier time.

Paul confirms this fact in Galatians 3:19, which reveals the Sinai Covenant was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Do you believe your so-called denominational "scholars", or do you believe Moses and the Apostle Paul?

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Good job BAB2. Paul made it clear that Adam was given 1 commandment to not to transgress not 10. As you pointed out, how could he commit adultery, steal from himself, covet, lie,..... they have no evidence of other commandments than not to eat of the tree.
They intentionally confuse the written facts that sin was in the world before the law was given.



Rom 5:12¶ because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
Rom 5:13 for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law;
Rom 5:14 but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming.
 
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Good job BAB2. Paul made it clear that Adam was given 1 commandment to not to transgress not 10. As you pointed out, how could he commit adultery, steal from himself, covet, lie,..... they have no evidence of other commandments than not to eat of the tree.
They intentionally confuse the written facts that sin was in the world before the law was given.



Rom 5:12¶ because of this, even as through one man the sin did enter into the world, and through the sin the death; and thus to all men the death did pass through, for that all did sin;
Rom 5:13 for till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law;
Rom 5:14 but the death did reign from Adam till Moses, even upon those not having sinned in the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a type of him who is coming.
God did not create the Earth for just Adam and Eve, they were created first with the ability to create other humans. The law was meant for them to obey and to teach their children for generations to come.

God has a sanctuary in Heaven that has an ark of the covenant which as we know, has the Ten Commandants stored inside. God's earthy sanctuary is a duplicate of God's Heavenly sanctuary. Lucifer was thrown out of Heaven because of sin. Where there is no law, there is no sin. Romans 5:13 Sin is the transgression of God's laws. 1 John 3:4
 
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Sin is the transgression of God's laws. 1 John 3:4


Adventists often quote from the book of 1 John, but they usually ignore the definition of "His commandments" found within chapter three of the same book.

Why? It is because they cannot let go of the 4th commandment revealed to be a "shadow" of Christ in Colossians 2:16-17. They cannot believe the New Covenant has now made the Old "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13. They do not seem to know the difference between the word "obsolete" and the word "abolish". They are not the same word.

My chainsaw has made my axe "obsolete", but it has not "abolished" my axe.


Which of God's laws are you talking about?

Go to a land I will show you...?

Circumcise your male offspring...?

Foods...?

Feast days...?

Sabbath days...?


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


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they cannot let go of the 4th commandment revealed to be a "shadow" of Christ in Colossians 2:16-17.
Brother, you must have misunderstood Paul in Colossians because God calls us through Paul to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews. God calls all who "share the faith of those who obeyed" to "make every effort to enter that rest" of God's Sabbath in which "God rested" on the seventh day from all His works in Hebrews 4:1-13. This passage was also written by God through Paul.

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.” Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience. For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:1-13 NIV)​

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Jorge, to whom was the writer of Hebrews referring? Hint: Heb 1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. Heb 3:16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? Heb 8:
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
 
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God did not create the Earth for just Adam and Eve, they were created first with the ability to create other humans. The law was meant for them to obey and to teach their children for generations to come.

God has a sanctuary in Heaven that has an ark of the covenant which as we know, has the Ten Commandants stored inside. God's earthy sanctuary is a duplicate of God's Heavenly sanctuary. Lucifer was thrown out of Heaven because of sin. Where there is no law, there is no sin. Romans 5:13 Sin is the transgression of God's laws. 1 John 3:4

Good points all - SabbathBlessings!
 
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Adventists often quote from the book of 1 John,

Agreed. In fact we quote from a great many books in the Bible.

but they usually ignore the definition of "His commandments"

On the contrary we are happy to point out that His commandments include The unit of TEN having "honor your father and mother which is the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 according to Paul. (And of course we do not view Paul and John to be at war with each other).

John says Jesus' teaching was to "KEEP My Commandments" in John 14:15 as known even before the cross.

Paul tells us in Hebrews 8 that it is Jesus speaking His commandments at Sinai in Hebrews 8:6-12

No wonder Jesus said "keep the Commandments" in Matt 19 and then proceed to quote exclusively from the "Law of Moses" regarding man's-duty-to-man just as Paul does in Romans 13.
 
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John says Jesus' teaching was to "KEEP My Commandments" in John 14:15 as known even before the cross.

Yes He did.



Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. (How many sets of commandments?)


Are we without any law (antinomian) after we come into the New Covenant? After you are saved, is it OK to live like hell? Should there be a change in your life, or will your behavior still be rotten? If someone says they are under “Grace”, is that a license to do as they please?


1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (Holy Spirit=Master Teacher)


What is the standard of conduct revealed below by Christ?


Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'

Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'

Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

(What does this standard look like in real life? How do you want to be treated by others?)


Are the commandments of Christ a higher standard of conduct?


Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.'

Mat 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Is it OK to go online and view inappropriate contentography?) Matt. 7:21-23 ?


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Brother, you must have misunderstood Paul in Colossians because God calls us through Paul to keep the Sabbath in Hebrews. God calls all who "share the faith of those who obeyed" to "make every effort to enter that rest" of God's Sabbath in which "God rested" on the seventh day from all His works in Hebrews 4:1-13. This passage was also written by God through Paul.

Do you understand the concept of context.

Whose rest is being discussed in the passage below, and what is that rest?

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.


Have you ceased from your own works, as found in verse 10?

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Do you understand the concept of context. Whose rest is being discussed in the passage below, and what is that rest?
Brother, Israel "to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief", but what “rest” did they "entered not in because of unbelief"? The passage may speak of two possible “rest”s listed below: One of these they had and not the other!
  1. God's saving “rest”

    “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30 NIV)

  2. God's Sabbath “rest”

    Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ” (Exodus 16:21-23 NIV)
Everyone thinks Israel had the Sabbath "rest", but many prophets had God's saving "rest". That leaves only the Sabbath "rest" "entered not in because of unbelief". God swore they would not enter His Sabbath "rest" because of their unbelief and this lasted many generations until David when God was willing again to let them enter His Sabbath "rest", but no-one has listened to the word of God to correct the Saturday tradition of Judaism that lasted unchallenged because God swore not to help them enter His Sabbath "rest" for so long.
Have you ceased from your own works, as found in verse 10?
I "rest" in God as God rested on the first Sabbath of creation. In your chosen translation, it cannot be “Jesus”, because He would not have spoken “afterward”, of “another day” through David, placing Jesus before David or as other versions translate the name before David, Joshua, who after Moses led Israel to the promised land.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

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The unit of TEN having "honor your father and mother which is the FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 according to Paul. (And of course we do not view Paul and John to be at war with each other).

John says Jesus' teaching was to "KEEP My Commandments" in John 14:15 as known even before the cross.

Paul tells us in Hebrews 8 that it is Jesus speaking His commandments at Sinai in Hebrews 8:6-12

No wonder Jesus said "keep the Commandments" in Matt 19 and then proceed to quote exclusively from the "Law of Moses" regarding man's-duty-to-man just as Paul does in Romans 13.

And this speaks to the NEW Covenant of Jer 31:31-34 where the "LAW of God is written on heart and mind" - is that Law known to Jeremiah and his readers.

Yes He did.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. (How many sets of commandments?)

Matt 19 Jesus said "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?" - and then proceeds to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses .. from "The TEN" and from Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" that is specific to those He selected from the TEN in Matt 19.

It is nice we can agree on something. That does not happen very often.
 
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Matt 19 Jesus said "KEEP the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?" - and then proceeds to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses .. from "The TEN" and from Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" that is specific to those He selected from the TEN in Matt 19.

It is nice we can agree on something. That does not happen very often.

Apparently not, because you have divided the Law of Moses into three parts even though Paul never divided up the Law in this way.

You claim only the part consisting of the ten commandments is still in effect.

Therefore Lev. 19:18 is now gone according to your partition method.


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Brother, Israel "to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief", but what “rest” did they "entered not in because of unbelief"? The passage may speak of two possible “rest”s listed below: One of these they had and not the other!
  1. God's saving “rest”

    “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” (Matthew 11:28-30 NIV)

  2. God's Sabbath “rest”

    Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ” (Exodus 16:21-23 NIV)
Everyone thinks Israel had the Sabbath "rest", but many prophets had God's saving "rest". That leaves only the Sabbath "rest" "entered not in because of unbelief". God swore they would not enter His Sabbath "rest" because of their unbelief and this lasted many generations until David when God was willing again to let them enter His Sabbath "rest", but no-one has listened to the word of God to correct the Saturday tradition of Judaism that lasted unchallenged because God swore not to help them enter His Sabbath "rest" for so long.

I "rest" in God as God rested on the first Sabbath of creation. In your chosen translation, it cannot be “Jesus”, because He would not have spoken “afterward”, of “another day” through David, placing Jesus before David or as other versions translate the name before David, Joshua, who after Moses led Israel to the promised land.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge


What is the "rest" found in Hebrews chapter 4?


Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.



Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Are you still working six days a week to keep the Sinai Covenant?

Are you keeping it perfectly, as Christ did for us?

Do you need a day of rest from your works attempting to keep the Sinai Covenant?


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What is the "rest" found in Hebrews chapter 4?
Brother, the Sabbath "rest", as God rested on the first Sabbath of creation.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Hebrews 4:4 KJV)​
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
The message we both have through the manna story is the Sabbath "rest" that Israel has not understood and neither have we because we did not "labour" to understand the Sabbath and enter God's "rest" as He rested the first Sabbath of creation.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:11 KJV)
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The part you did not highlight is important, we are to enter the Sabbath "rest" as God rested the Sabbath of creation.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Hebrews 4:4 KJV)​
Are you still working six days a week to keep the Sinai Covenant?
What you fail to understand of the new covenant is that God does not change and even if He was to make an infinite number of covenants they would all be the same because He does not change.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. (Hebrews 13:8 KJV)​
Are you keeping it perfectly, as Christ did for us?
We are not saved by keeping it perfectly. Saved are we by doing the best we can to keep it, attributed to us as saving faith as we "share the faith of those who obeyed".

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (Hebrews 4:2 KJV)​
Do you need a day of rest from your works attempting to keep the Sinai Covenant?
God is asking us in Hebrews 4 to enter the Sabbath "rest" that those before us have not entered into because of disobedience. Judaism has a Saturday tradition that is not God's true Sabbath "rest".

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:9-11 KJV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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What you fail to understand of the new covenant is that God does not change and even if He was to make an infinite number of covenants they would all be the same because He does not change.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



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