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Actually, the majority of Christianity believes somewhat close to what you believe. Most Christians or ev

God does not accept your self effort to save you or keep you saved.
Your works, are "filthy rags".
Salvation is not your deeds + the Cross.
God only accepts the Blood He shed for you, as the blood atonement that is Salvation..
John 14:6
 
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God does not accept your self effort to save you or keep you saved.
Your works, are "filthy rags".
Salvation is not your deeds + the Cross.
God only accepts the Blood He shed for you, as the blood atonement that is Salvation..
John 14:6

When you read verses like Isaiah 64:6 about the Israelite's righteousness as being filthy rags, you also have to read the context before it, friend.

“Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.” (Isaiah 64:5).​

The “Thou” is in reference to God. It is saying God meets that person who rejoices and works righteousness and those who remember God in His ways. Verse 5 also says that they (i.e. the Israelites) have sinned. So this shows that their righteousness is not the righteous acts or deeds of God because they were sinning, and God meets those who rejoice and work righteousness. So obviously verse 5 is talking about the righteous acts of God that He requires of us, and verse 6 is refering to man directed righteous deeds that God did not tell them to do. Remember when Jesus condemned the Pharisees for their man made traditions? This is what it is talking about.
 
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The word of God is not understood by logic.
So, there is your issue.

Well, my Bible tells me to study to show myself approved unto God.

2 Timothy 2:15 says,
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

Studying involves the mind and thus naturally involves logic.

Isaiah 1:18 says,
“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD...”

In addition, we get the word “logic” from the Greek word “logos” translated “Word” in John 1:1-14, and used as a name for our Lord Jesus Christ.

Believers are to follow after the steps of Christ (1 Peter 2:21), and believers are to order their steps in the word (Psalms 119:133).

“Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.” (Psalms 119:133).

When you think about the word “order,” it involves logic to place things that are out of order into order. We are to order our lives our ways, our steps in the Word of God so as not to let sin have dominion over us. The more we obey God and His good ways, we will not have a chance to fall into disorder. To be in disobedience is not logical. To do what is good and right and order our lives and our steps by the Word of God is logical and good.
 
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God does not accept your self effort to save you or keep you saved.
Your works, are "filthy rags".
Salvation is not your deeds + the Cross.
God only accepts the Blood He shed for you, as the blood atonement that is Salvation..
John 14:6

Again, 1 John 1:7. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Walking in the light is not doing nothing. If you see a a guy walking down the street, you cannot say he is doing nothing if he is walking.
 
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When you read verses like Isaiah 64:6

Here is how to understand the NT, in the context of Isaiah 64:6.

Paul teaching...>"all have fallen short,.... there is none righteous, not one".

Thats Romans.
You can find it, if you have time.
 
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Studying involves the mind and thus naturally involves logic.

Yes, if you are studying natural history or how to install a home Theatre system.

But to "study", in the context of "to show yourself approved", is to do this..."rightly divide".

And you can only do that is you are born again, and not just water baptized, and if you learn what this means....

"the word of God is SPIRITUALLY discerned".

So, if you run across a baby christian on this forum, who thinks that reading the bible, is studying it to show themselves approved, then just refer them to my post, here.

I can help them.

Thx.
 
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Again, 1 John 1:7. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin..

Let me explain how a believer walks in the light as HE....JESUS, is in the Light.


Its like this...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the WORLD."""
The born again, are. .... "CHILDREN OF>.....THE LIGHT".

So, Jesus is THE LIGHT, and the born are the "Children of the LIGHT"

To be "OF the LIGHT"< is to be IN the Light.

This means, to be "IN CHRIST"< , causes you to exist IN Him...who is THE LIGHT.

A.) If you are born again, you are always IN the LIGHT., and that is why the one time eternal Sacrifice of Jesus, has redeemed all the Children of THE LIGHT from all their SIN"., or as your verse explains...>"the blood of Jesus cleanses (the born again) from all our sin".

This is "Salvation". and to be "made righteous..... which is a GIFT....= "the GIFT of Salvation".
 
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Let me explain how a believer walks in the light as HE....JESUS, is in the Light.


Its like this...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the WORLD."""
The born again, are. .... "CHILDREN OF>.....THE LIGHT".

So, Jesus is THE LIGHT, and the born are the "Children of the LIGHT"

To be "OF the LIGHT"< is to be IN the Light.

This means, to be "IN CHRIST"< , causes you to exist IN Him...who is THE LIGHT.

A.) If you are born again, you are always IN the LIGHT., and that is why the one time eternal Sacrifice of Jesus, has redeemed all the Children of THE LIGHT from all their SIN"., or as your verse explains...>"the blood of Jesus cleanses (the born again) from all our sin".

This is "Salvation". and to be "made righteous..... which is a GIFT....= "the GIFT of Salvation".

To know that we have an assurance that we know the Lord is if we find that we are keeping His commandments.

For 1 John 2:3 says,
“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”​

And 1 John 2:4 says,
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”​

So the person who says they know the Lord Jesus and yet they do keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them.
 
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Yes, if you are studying natural history or how to install a home Theatre system.

But to "study", in the context of "to show yourself approved", is to do this..."rightly divide".

And you can only do that is you are born again, and not just water baptized, and if you learn what this means....

"the word of God is SPIRITUALLY discerned".

So, if you run across a baby christian on this forum, who thinks that reading the bible, is studying it to show themselves approved, then just refer them to my post, here.

I can help them.

Thx.

Why would I direct them to you when I strongly oppose your apparent teaching of Belief Alone-ism and or a sin and still be saved type belief? Again, what you say does not make any sense.
 
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Here is how to understand the NT, in the context of Isaiah 64:6.

Paul teaching...>"all have fallen short,.... there is none righteous, not one".

Thats Romans.
You can find it, if you have time.

Isaiah cannot contradict Paul. But if you want to use Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 as a defense for your unbiblical belief, it still will not help you, friend. For if you believe that these verses is talking about the present tense walk or current experience of the believer or saint here in this life (i.e. a believer will always commit grievous sin), then you must also believe Romans 3:11 apples to the believer’s current present walk or state of being in this life. Let’s read it.

Romans 3:11 says,
“There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.”

So are you saying that all believers today currently do not seek after God and they do not have any understanding?

This means Romans 3:11 would apply to you if you believe Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 apples to your life currently.

But if such is the case, it would disqualify you in being able teach others.
 
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To know that we have an assurance that we know the Lord is if we find that we are keeping His commandments.

Jesus is the only Assurance.
If you have Him in you, then you are saved.
if you dont, then you are not.

People were keeping commandments before The Cross was raised, and after... and all those commandment keepers have to come to the Cross to Go to heaven.

Commandment keeping is your work, and God does not accept your work to save you.

God only accepts HIS WORK< which is Christ on the Cross.......to save you.
 
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Why would I direct them to you when I strongly oppose your apparent teaching of Belief Alone-ism and or a sin and still be saved type belief? Again, what you say does not make any sense.

Paul teaches that God justifies you by faith without works.
Paul teaches that "faith is counted as Righteousness."
Paul teaches that Salvation is a Gift.
Paul teaches that being "made righteous" is a Gift.
John says that you can KNOW you have eternal life, and explains that Jesus in you is your Eternal Life.

Do you see any commandment keeping in any of that?
Did you see commandments on the Cross, or do you see Jesus on the Cross.

One of them is not the savior.
You need to figure this out, Bible Highlighter.......asap.
 
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A.) If you are born again, you are always IN the LIGHT., and that is why the one time eternal Sacrifice of Jesus, has redeemed all the Children of THE LIGHT from all their SIN"., or as your verse explains...>"the blood of Jesus cleanses (the born again) from all our sin".
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light.
 
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Isaiah cannot contradict Paul. But if you want to use Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 as a defense for your unbiblical belief,


The Cross is where God died to offer . John 3:16

You can believe that this is not "unbiblical".
 
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that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me..

That they may RECEIVE.....

This is God's offer of John 3:16.
 
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Jesus is the only Assurance.
If you have Him in you, then you are saved.
if you dont, then you are not.

People were keeping commandments before The Cross was raised, and after... and all those commandment keepers have to come to the Cross to Go to heaven.

Commandment keeping is your work, and God does not accept your work to save you.

God only accepts HIS WORK< which is Christ on the Cross.......to save you.

Again, your words here are not in line with Scripture that is found in 1 John 2:3-4.
Verse 4 makes it clear that the person who says they know the lord Jesus and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them. This truth has not changed after the cross. Paul says in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing.

Yes, we must first accept Jesus Christ as our Savior, and His grace and what He did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection. No man can be saved by their deeds alone. A person needs God's grace and mercy to clean their past slate of sin, but things are not as you imply in your promotion of Belief Alone-ism (or Easy Believism) which naturally leads to turning God's grace into a license for immorality (See: Jude 1:4). For God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteusly, and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).
 
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The Cross is where God died to offer . John 3:16

You can believe that this is not "unbiblical".

Believing in Jesus is more than just believing in the person of Jesus Christ for our salvation, but it is also believing in everything Jesus taught, said, and did, too.

Jesus says:

“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that hears my word,
and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation;
but is passed from death unto life.”
(John 5:24).​

Please take note on John 5:24:

The EXB Translation explains that the word "hear" is to: "obey.";

“I tell you the truth [Truly, truly I say to you], whoever hears [obeys] what I say [my word/message] and believes in the One who sent me has eternal life. That person will not be judged guilty [come into judgment/condemnation] but has already left death and entered life [passed from death into life].” (John 5:24) (EXB).​

Meaning, we have to believe in Jesus and obey Him to not perish. Acts of the Apostles 3:23 confirms this. It says that if anyone does not hear that prophet (JESUS), they shall be destroyed. Obviously a person who just listens to God's Word and they do nothing to obey Him is truly not listening to God.

“But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” (James 1:22).

In John 3:20: Jesus also says that everyone who does evil hates the light (i.e. hates Christ).
So if any believer is doing evil or sin, they actually hate the true Christ in the Holy Bible.
But they have made up their own version of Christ they prefer to see instead so as to justify sin and evil. God cannot agree with sin because He is holy, just, and good.

So you have to look at the whole counsel of God's Word.
 
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Again, your words here are not in line with Scripture that is found in 1 John 2:3-4.
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Ive not said that i dont keep the commandments.
Go read 40 Threads, and probably a few thousand posts, ive written.

I said that commandment keeping is not why God saves a person, nor is it why a person remains saved.

Commandment keeping is not the way to heaven.
Commandment keeping is the same as self effort, and that gospel is the gospel of works that is this.. Galatians 1:8
 
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“Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that hears my word,
and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation;
but is passed from death unto life.”
(John 5:24).​

Notice ...""" "IS passed from death to life".
See that IS?
That means its DONE.
That is the proof of being born again, that is the only proof of salvation.

Commandment keeping proves you keep commandments. It does not prove you are born again.
In fact, christian forums are full of people who are water baptized and not actually born again, whose personal gospel of "commandment keeping and law", is this.. Galatians 1:8
 
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