How to walk in THE Light.

[Sidon]

That is all there is to it? What about 1 John 4?

You've been tested.
The test was failed when you tried to tell us that we are not to be centered , theologically, and by faith, around the Cross.

I can quote you, but, instead, i'll let you go back and *edit* your posts so that you can try to remove the evidence.
But even when you do that, you wont be able to change your theology, as what you believe, is going to keep being presented.
Watch and see.
We have.

 

[Sidon]

As I already said, I have seen your many threads. They basically say the same thing.
"Churches don't teach you the truth, but I will". "Read my threads".

Listen, the "authority" is the NT.
The person who wrote most of it is Paul.
Do the math.

Then, once you add that up correctly, you'll begin to see that all my Threads, only teach, Pauline Theology.

 

[Minister Monardo]

This is why you seem so queer here....so odd........as that is how legalism, SOUNDS, on a Thread that gives CHRIST ALONE, all credit for Salvation.

There is nothing legalistic at all about walking in the Spirit. Now you divert back to talking
about salvation. If you are walking in the Spirit, you have already been reconciled by His death
on the cross, so that you can serve Him in newness of life. Romans 6:4
This life is found at the throne, not the cross. Paul did not simply preach the cross for salvation.
He taught the church how to live in Christ. This must be the topic, right? "How to walk in the
Spirit"? Yet you continue to preach a message of reconciliation by the cross.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Are you seeing this yet? Reconciled by His death, saved by His Life.
This is walking in the Spirit.

 

[Minister Monardo]

You can't cleanse the filthiness of your Spirit by keeping commandments.
Who are you trying to kid?

You should stop teaching commandment keeping, as soon as you understand the Blood Atonement.

Work on that.

I don't see anything about commandment keeping. The scripture says to be cleansed of
the filthiness of flesh and Spirit. Again, you cannot even quote accurately.
Who are you trying to kid. You keep the commandments by walking in the Spirit.
You do not walk in the Spirit by keeping commandments.
We walk by faith. Are you seeing that?

 

[Minister Monardo]

You are on my Threads, remember= that teach Paul and Lift up the Cross.

If that is all you have learned from Paul, you have much more to gather.

 

[Sidon]

I don't see anything about commandment keeping. The scripture says to be cleansed of
the filthiness of flesh and Spirit.

Im not trying to quote verses.
Im trying to get you to see them correctly.

we do not cleans ourselves, as the verse says...
That is impossbile.
So, you have to see the verse, in part, is symbolic, and you have not yet.

 

[Sidon]

If that is all you have learned from Paul, you have much more to gather.

You can't know that.
But you can pretend, as this is your ministry on my Threads, we've noted.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thanks for the questions..

Grace, peace, and love to you from the Lord Jesus Christ (even if we may disagree).

So why did Peter say in Acts of the Apostles 2:40, “...Save yourselves from this untoward generation.” ?

Because that generation, till now, is the generation that Rejected their Messiah.
So, Peter was telling them to not be like them.....= Christ Rejecting Jews.
Save yourself from them...
You do that by Trusting in Christ, and that generation that Peter was describing, never have.

You said, I quote:

“"THE" Spirit. "walking IN"...

So, what is that NOT?
What is this...........NOT < ?
Lets look at what that is NOT, so that you are able to recognize what IS THE Spirit and Walking IN...."THE" Spirit by understanding what its NOT.

That is not your body.
This is not keeping commandments or law.
That is not taking communion.
That is not water baptism.
That is not enduring to the end.
That is not presenting your body a living sacrifice.
That is not be holy as i am holy.
That is not anything you DO.
This is NOT your self effort.”
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~ Quote by Sidon.​

Notice that you said that walking after the Spirit is not in anything that you do.

First, “walk in the Spirit” implies an action because walking is not something where you do nothing as you imply. Paul says, “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16). Then Paul lists the works of the flesh and lists various sins and says that they which do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God (See: Galatians 5:19-21).

Second, I realize that Peter was asking the Jews to save themselves from those Jews who rejected their Messiah. I agree with that point, but where we disagree is that you fail to understand that this is an action. They needed to do something. They needed to save themselves from the corrupt Jews not by doing nothing but by repenting.

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts of the Apostles 2:38).​

This is the context of Acts of the Apostles 2:40 wherein Peter tells them to save themselves. In other words, God is not going to save them if they do nothing and they continue down the same old road they were on. They had to do something. They had to make a choice in taking a specific action towards God. Peter told them to repent. In fact, Jesus said to repent or perish (Luke 13:3).

Also, Paul says work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).

Notice what the verse does not say...>work out your salvation, so that you don't lose it".

The verse does not say..>"work out your salvation, so that in the end, if you endure, you just might squeeze into heaven , if you work hard enough on keeping those commandments".
Also, a better way to understand the "with fear and trembling"< is..>"in awe and wonder".
That is the best way to SEE that phrase.

Now, how do you "work out your salvation"?
First you have to be born again, and not just water baptized.
Notice that you have it.?
Notice that you have it, to work it out?
You HAVE IT, already, if you are born again...... and now, "work it out".

How do you work out the SALVATION you have?

1.) You learn how to exist within it, perfectly.
2.) This is learning now to "walk in the Spirit".

Notice... = when you have Salvation, you are now IN the Kingdom of God.
The born again Live there...... That is where Eternal Life, exists.
And in this Kingdom, which is Spiritual, you are to learn how to exist in it, correctly.
Thats how you '"work out your salvation"..

First, it says work out your salvation. For you, working out your salvation is a realization of a truth and not in anything you do. You said by your own words that walking in the Spirit is not in anything you do. But if I work.... it implies that I am doing something and not nothing.

Second, you say that the word “fear” does not mean “fear” in Philippians 2:12. But it says to work out your salvation with fear and TREMBLING. Trembling suggests that one is afraid or in fear. That's the context. To read it otherwise is to go against the normal and plain reading of Scripture.

Three, here is a list making it clear that after we are saved by God's grace, we need to do good (good works and live holy) as a part of God's plan of salvation.

1. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).
   
   
2. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).
   
   
3. A person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).
   
   
4. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God, and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28).
   
   
5. Those who have done good, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, shall come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).
   
   
6. We have to continue in His goodness, otherwise we can be cut off [just like the Jews were cut off] (Romans 11:21-22).
   
   
7. Helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to inheriting the Kingdom (Matthew 25:34-40), and not helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to going away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46).
   
   
8. Whoever does not righteousness or does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).
   
   
9. Whoever does what Jesus says is likened unto a wise man who built his house upon the rock, and when a storm came, it did not fall, (Matthew 7:24-25), but the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).
   
   
10. Abiding in Jesus will bear much fruit, but if a person does not abide in Jesus [thereby being unfruitful], they are cast out [or cut off] like a branch to be burned in the fire (John 15:5-6).
    
    
11. If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing (1 Peter 4:18-19).
    
    
12. Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14) (NKJV).

Jesus says, “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24).

Notice first, that Jesus is not talking about being born again.
Now do you know?
Its because Jesus is not on the Cross yet, in this verse.
There is no Cross yet, Bible Highlighter.
Christ has not yet done this yet..... John 3:16

This is why God is talking about "gates" vs THE CROSS.... John 14:6

First, it is highly illogical for Jesus to give us new teachings just so that they can quickly be regulated to being null and void soon as the cross happened. Yes, the New Covenant officially began with Christ's death, but Jesus was preparing men to obey the New Covenant or New ways before the cross.

How do we know? Jesus said,

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19-20).
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The apostle Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (See: 1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Also, nowhere does Jesus mention how that command that says, “Strive to enter in at the straight gate” has been abolished or no longer applies. Why would the disciples write down commands by Jesus that did not apply to us. You would think they would not include His commands before the cross so as not to confuse future reading believers.

So, another member here has confused the Blood of Jesus and the Cross of Christ, with a "gate".
There are a few of you.
Probably the same Church.

So, let me show you the WAY to heaven, and its not a "gate".

The way to heaven, is God's BLOOD.
If God has applied Christ's Blood to you, then you are born again.

If you are born again, you will go to heaven.
Jesus said...>"you MUST be born again".

That is how you go to heaven, and Jesus is a Savior, ...He is not a "gate".

You say Jesus is not a gate. But gates are like doors.

And the Lord Jesus says, “I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” (John 10:9).

You also talk about the blood, too. As I pointed about before, while we need to believe in the blood in Romans 3:25 as a part of salvation, we also need to walk in the light in order for the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin, too (See: 1 John 1:7). This walking in the light is loving your brother according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11. So you have to love your brother also in order for the blood to cleanse you. So it is not in doing nothing, dear sir. We have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We have to STRIVE to enter the narrow gate. Jesus' words have not changed. Paul's words mean what they say in Philippians 2:12. But of course you are free to change or ignore these words at your own risk. I just read and believe my Bible at face value in good conscience.

Anyways, if you disagree, may God bless you and may you please be well.
If you don't see what I have revealed in the Scriptures, I think it is best we move on in love and respect.

Peace be unto you in the Lord.

BL. Highlighter.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Im not trying to quote verses.
Im trying to get you to see them correctly.

we do not cleans ourselves, as the verse says...
That is impossbile.
So, you have to see the verse, in part, is symbolic, and you have not yet.

Im not trying to quote verses.
Im trying to get you to see them correctly.

we do not cleans ourselves, as the verse says...
That is impossbile.
So, you have to see the verse, in part, is symbolic, and you have not yet.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves
from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

This is not symbolic, it is the fruit of obedience to the Spirit. Obedience is a
part of your Pauline Theology, is it not?
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith
among all nations, for his name.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience
unto righteousness?
Romans 16:19 For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad
on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil.
2 Corinthians 7:15 And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience
of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
2 Corinthians 10:
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge
of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
This is of course just a sampling.
I would ask you to consider that yes, there is an evangelist message to preach, which
is centered on the cross, or as Paul states Christ and Him crucified.
Paul was also a teacher.
1 Timothy 1:11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle,
and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Your teaching focuses on what Paul preached concerning the cross and justification by faith
apart from the works of the Law. To walk by the Spirit is teaching that goes beyond the cross
to the resurrection and the ascension, up to the throne where Christ sits. I posted many scriptures
written by Paul that address this, but you dismiss them, and say that my theology is broken because
it does not "lift up the cross". I beg you to reconsider, or stop claiming to teach Paul, when what
you teach is evangelistic for salvation, not teaching for discipleship.
The reason I have posted so much on your thread is that thus far you have refused to acknowledge
these statements, and advise me 'to go read Paul'. I have posted over a dozen passages from Paul's
letters and you refuse to acknowledge them. Just for review, is Paul preaching the cross here, or
is he teaching the throne?
Colossians 3:
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above,
where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
Would you consider this to be essential to "walking in the Spirit?"
Would you please answer this one question in honesty and sincerity?

 

[Sidon]

First, “walk in the Spirit” implies an action

Actually it implies nothing.
There is no implication found .

Listen,
to walk IN The Spirit, is not what you DO.
Its what you have become, "IN CHRIST".... that you have to understand is what you are to BELIEVE.

Look at this verse.

"As Jesus IS, so are the born again IN THIS WORLD">

See the...>"AS JESUS IS'?

That is not commandment keeping or enduring to the end, or taking up your Cross.
That is not becoming it later, ....that is existing at this, ALWAYS.

"As Jesus IS"< is explaining to the born again, who they have BECOME, by becoming a new Creation, IN CHRIST.

Its that , BibleHighligher.

You dont DO THAT. You dont try to perform that...
But rather if you are born again, and not just water baptized falsely believing you are saved,...then you now exist "In Christ", as REALITY.

And to begin to see yourself as this, is how you first begin to have Real Faith, = that is to exist as..."walking in the Spirit",

 

[Minister Monardo]

You can't know that.
But you can pretend, as this is your ministry on my Threads, we've noted.

No sir. This is your accountability on your threads. I am not playing or pretending.

 

[Sidon]

This is not symbolic, it is the fruit of obedience to the Spirit. Obedience is a
part of your Pauline Theology, is it not?rit?"
Would you please answer this one question in honesty and sincerity?

All my Threads and posts are created with honesty and sincerity.

Also, "obedience" follow Salvation, exactly as being water baptized follows being born again.

 

[Sidon]

No sir. This is your accountability on your threads. I am not playing or pretending.

My Threads are accountable to God.
Im here to help the few, not the many.
Its always like this, when teaching or preaching to a group., no matter live or live on a forum.

Even Jesus was not believed, by all..
So, its no different for any real teacher.

What i do is help complete the sincere seeker of the Truth.
Im not here for "likes' or "most Thread pages", or any of the carnal pursuit that is the reason many are here.
I dont care about that nonsense.
Believe it.
Im here to teach the few who are reading me, and are mostly silent.
The others, are fighting me, because they have been taught a theology, that contradict's Paul's.
This is why they read what i teach, and it offends them, or it confuses them.

Thats the reality check.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Also, "obedience" follow Salvation, exactly as being water baptized follows being born again.

That has been my point all along. You posted in the Salvation forum. Most of what you
write is centered on the cross for salvation. However, the topic is "Walking In The Light"
or "walking in the Spirit, which is as you now say, "obedience that follows salvation".
That is the Light shining through from evangelism message for salvation to discipleship
teaching. Paul did both. Walking by faith is beyond the cross and accepting Christ as
Savior. It is serving Him as Lord, in obedience. This is taught by all the apostles.
Peace

 

[Sidon]

or "walking in the Spirit, which is as you now say, "obedience that follows salvation".

Hummm.
Paul does not teach "walking in the Spirit" as obedience.
So, i think you are not tracking me.

We are not found walking in the Spirit, based on Obedience.
We are found walking in the Spirit by revelation of who we are "in Christ", "made righteous".
That is the "renewed" mind, and that is how the born again, "walk in the Spirit".
Its FAITH... Its the place of real faith, as revelation regarding understanding "ONE with God, In Christ".

 

[Minister Monardo]

Paul does not teach "walking in the Spirit" as obedience.

Let's try just tracking Paul. When the apostle speak of the obedience of the saints, what are
they referring to, if it is not to the Spirit? Do you obey the Lord? Surely.
2 Corinthians 3:
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord,
are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as
by the Spirit of the Lord.
The work is done in our hearts by the Spirit, when we walk in obedience
according to the measure of faith each is given. I just provided several
scriptures where Paul emphasizes obedience.

This is not symbolic, it is the fruit of obedience to the Spirit. Obedience is a
part of your Pauline Theology, is it not?
Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith
among all nations, for his name.
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience
unto righteousness?
Romans 16:19 For your obedience has become known to all. Therefore I am glad
on your behalf; but I want you to be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil.
2 Corinthians 7:15 And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience
of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
2 Corinthians 10:
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge
of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Actually it implies nothing.
There is no implication found .

Listen,
to walk IN The Spirit, is not what you DO.
Its what you have become, "IN CHRIST".... that you have to understand is what you are to BELIEVE.

Look at this verse.

"As Jesus IS, so are the born again IN THIS WORLD">

See the...>"AS JESUS IS'?

That is not commandment keeping or enduring to the end, or taking up your Cross.
That is not becoming it later, ....that is existing at this, ALWAYS.

"As Jesus IS"< is explaining to the born again, who they have BECOME, by becoming a new Creation, IN CHRIST.

Its that , BibleHighligher.

You dont DO THAT. You dont try to perform that...
But rather if you are born again, and not just water baptized falsely believing you are saved,...then you now exist "In Christ", as REALITY.

And to begin to see yourself as this, is how you first begin to have Real Faith, = that is to exist as..."walking in the Spirit",

Sidon, my friend. Your not making any sense.
If you see a guy walking done the street, you don't say that such a person is doing nothing.
They are doing something in the fact that they are walking.
Even if God is doing the good work through us (Philippians 2:13), we have to cooperate with God in the good work He desires to do through us. It's still a work or an action and not nothing.

But we can agree to disagree on the meaning of what words plainly mean.
I am not going to keep going back and forth with you on this, friend.

Anyways, may God's good blessings be upon you (even if we disagree).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Christianity has not been centered around Christ's Blood and The Cross, for quite a while now.
Notice that you never hear about those as DOCTRINE in your "church"?

Actually, the majority of Christianity believes somewhat close to what you believe. Most Christians or evangelical churches today say that all you have to do is believe on Jesus and it is in nothing that you do. That is what most churches today teach. I know. I have researched it extensively in trying to find a church that actually seeks to obey Jesus. Most churches really are not concerned in following Jesus today and or in helping them to obey the Lord's commands. They just want to put on a light show and give them an emotional sermon and collect their money and repeat the process. No change. Nothing. But James says faith without works is dead. If there is no action or works in a church to help one another in loving the poor, and in loving the brethren, etc. then the faith is dead. Can a dead faith save anyone? Surely not. So your belief is actually in the majority view of evangelical Bible alone Christianity. Yes, we are to follow the Bible alone and there are no traditions that can be added to His holy Word. This would include the tradition of Belief Alone-ism (of which you propose). Even the apostle Paul did not teach Belief Alone-ism (Whereby a person can think they can sin and still be saved or do little or nothing for God). Salvation is not in a realization. Salvation is a person named Jesus Christ and we have to abide in Christ to have the eternal life He alone possesses (See 1 John 5:12 and 1 Timothy 6:16). If we abide in Christ, then good fruit and not bad fruit will be in our lives.

The way that we can have an assurance that we know the Lord is by keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3). However, the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).

 

[Sidon]

Let's try just tracking Paul.

Im "tracking Paul" in every Thread and post.

Where "tracking" isn't located is when a person tries to substitute "obedience" or "self effort" or "commandment keeping", as their false gospel of self effort to save themselves.
This is Legalsim.
Its the devil's gospel.
This rejects the Cross of Christ that is the only way to be saved.
See that Blood God shed on The Cross?
= John 14:6

 

[Sidon]

Sidon, my friend. Your not making any sense.
I

The word of God is not understood by logic.
So, there is your issue.