The Gap and The Sumer Creation Myth

[FreeGrace2]

With the angels.. When it came time to make up their minds as to whom they have allegiance? Lucifer or the Lord?

Some angels noticed that the majority were siding with the Lord. But, their hearts were not really 100% with the Lord. They chose to stay with the Lord for a wrong reason. God knowing this false motive, planned to weed them out later on as seen as to what He allowed for in Genesis 6.

All this is highly speculative. To claim that ANY angel "chose to stay with the Lord for a wrong reason" is really a leap. You have zero evidence of that from Scripture.

Why don't we just accept what God has revealed to us and admit we don't know beyond that? Because we don't.

You're trying to fill in the gaps when you really have no idea. Or source to go on.

I have no problem admitting I don't know when the Bible hasn't given an answer.

 

[GenemZ]

But we know it didn't happen. Because the Bible tells us what did happen.

And? That is why Adam got his woman.

As for the angels? God used the same kind of plan. Begin with only males.

The rest is history.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in
knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what
is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the
fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and
praise of God. Philippians 1:9-11​

"Insight" the word is a real problem for some.

Some thought it was only Christopher Columbus' opinion that the world was not flat.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.​

The answer for one major attack on our freedom has been revealed.

Learn to take up your arms, please. This war. Not a gentleman's chess game.

The first homosexuals were angelos.... Fallen angelos. Cut off from God with no female counterpart. They have entered into a psychotic world of unreality they live in to keep their desired delusion alive. Its being pushed on us today... Satan is the father of gas lighters.

grace and peace.......

 

[GenemZ]

All this is highly speculative. To claim that ANY angel "chose to stay with the Lord for a wrong reason" is really a leap. You have zero evidence of that from Scripture.

Stop...

Genesis 6. It says angels took the woman. Demons are not called "angels" any longer. It was angels that rebelled against God's will in Genesis 6.

Demons could not even enter the swine with first getting permission from the Lord. Satan had to ask permission to sift Peter like wheat. Fallen angels are always on a chain. They could not take the woman in Genesis 6 on whim. And, if God gives permission? No punishment follows. Angels that were not 100% with the Lord were tested in Genesis 6.. and their true colors came to the surface. And? Angels sexually reproduced with women. Angels still have the power to materialize, demons do not.

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Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Jude :5-7


Those angels were yet under God's domain. Demons are now roaming the earth, not in those chains in darkness.

 

[GenemZ]

At that point?
It was God who said it was not good for man to be alone (no partner). So your consclusion about "no woman for Adam" goes against God's very plan.

Many things go against God's will.

And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."

And.. its also God's will that no man perish.

Adam could have failed. And, he proved it at a later date.

You can sin right now mentally. Do you want to?

 

[GenemZ]

You're trying to fill in the gaps when you really have no idea. Or source to go on.

Is that your way of asking for more information? Its rude. But, just ask next time.

Unless there is an underlying sin in your motivation? Ask.

 

[FreeGrace2]

And? That is why Adam got his woman.

As for the angels? God used the same kind of plan. Begin with only males.

You're speculating. He didn't "begin" with males. That's all He created, apparently.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in
knowledge and depth of insight, so that you may be able to discern what
is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, filled with the
fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and
praise of God. Philippians 1:9-11​

"Insight" the word is a real problem for some.

Some thought it was only Christopher Columbus' opinion that the world was not flat.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight.​

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I don't believe Paul was referring to speculation.

The first homosexuals were angelos.... Fallen angelos. Cut off from God with no female counterpart.

Your job, now, is to prove this from Scripture.

They have entered into a psychotic world of unreality they live in to keep their desired delusion alive.

I don't think so. I think Satan knows exactly what he wants to do.

Its being pushed on us today... Satan is the father of gas lighters.

Right. He knows exactly what he wants to do.

 

[GenemZ]

You're speculating. He didn't "begin" with males. That's all He created, apparently.

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I don't believe Paul was referring to speculation.


Your job, now, is to prove this from Scripture.


I don't think so. I think Satan knows exactly what he wants to do.


Right. He knows exactly what he wants to do.

I see we have become friends? ....

well..... great. I have to go fishing.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
All this is highly speculative. To claim that ANY angel "chose to stay with the Lord for a wrong reason" is really a leap. You have zero evidence of that from Scripture.

Stop...

I think speculations should stop.

Genesis 6. It says angels took the woman.

Well, more than one, actually.

Demons are not called "angels" any longer. It was angels that rebelled against God's will in Genesis 6.

Right.

Demons could not even enter the swine with first getting permission from the Lord. Satan had to ask permission to sift Peter like wheat. Fallen angels are always on a chain.

That was my point in a previous post.

They could not take the woman in Genesis 6 on whim. And, if God gives permission? No punishment follows. Angels that were not 100% with the Lord were tested in Genesis 6.. and their true colors came to the surface.

They were already fallen at that time. There was no test. As to "permission", that involves asking, as the legion did regarding a herd of swine.

But Genesis wasn't about permission. At least, the Bible is silent on that.

And? Angels sexually reproduced with women. Angels still have the power to materialize, demons do not.

Where are you getting your material?

Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one
time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did
not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of
authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in
darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In
a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave
themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an
example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." Jude :5-7​

This doesn't support your claim that demons don't have the ability to materialize. It's just as possible that God has forbidden them to. But then, that is also just speculation.

Those angels were yet under God's domain.

I disagree. EVERY angel is under God's domain. How can they not be? Even the devil follows His directions to a T. ie: Job.

Demons are now roaming the earth, not in those chains in darkness.

What is your point? Are you suggesting that "demons" are different than fallen angels?

I know some think the progeny of Genesis 6 are the demons/unclean spirits mentioned in the gospels. Just disembodied spirits of the progeny back in Gen 6.

But that is just speculation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Many things go against God's will.

OK.

And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."

Could you point me to the verse where He says that. The point is true, but where is it recorded that He said that?

And.. its also God's will that no man perish.

Yes, that is Scriptural.

Adam could have failed. And, he proved it at a later date.

Of course he failed. What do you mean by "could have"? He did fail.

You can sin right now mentally. Do you want to?

Nope.

 

[GenemZ]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑


I think speculations should stop.

I love the provision by grace of having the Ignore button.

Want to "speculate" what I mean?

 

[FreeGrace2]

You said "You're trying to fill in the gaps when you really have no idea. Or source to go on."

Is that your way of asking for more information? Its rude. But, just ask next time.

I wasn't asking. I was telling.

Unless there is an underlying sin in your motivation? Ask.

What?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I see we have become friends? ....

Of course. And brothers, too.

well..... great. I have to go fishing.

Hope you catch a lot.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑


I think speculations should stop.

I love the provision by grace of having the Ignore button.

Want to "speculate" what I mean?

No, Mr. Speculator.

 

[GenemZ]

(mine) And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."​

Could you point me to the verse where He says that. The point is true, but where is it recorded that He said that?

Point you to a verse? God tells us anything different?

Ok.... if you can not have enough understanding to know that? I see why you have a problem when it gets deep.

And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."

You need a verse to show you that is so?

Good bye.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
(mine) And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."
Could you point me to the verse where He says that. The point is true, but where is it recorded that He said that?

Point you to a verse? God tells us anything different?

You said "God says...". I was just curious about which verse.

Ok.... if you can not have enough understanding to know that?

This is what I also said:

"The point is true, but where is it recorded that He said that?"

I wasn't doubting the truth of it, just wanted to know where you found it.

I see why you have a problem when it gets deep.

What problem? It seems you do. I just asked a legitimate question about what you said that God said. And you can't.

And, God says... "Its not good that man reject salvation."

You need a verse to show you that is so?

Good bye.[/QUOTE]
I think it's much safer to quote is found in Scripture. Truth is truth, yes. But saying "God says..." does need some back up.

 

[sawdust]

I think it's much safer to quote is found in Scripture. Truth is truth, yes. But saying "God says..." does need some back up.

What does "having the mind of Christ" mean to you?

1Cor.2:16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[GenemZ]

What does "having the mind of Christ" mean to you?

1Cor.2:16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Stop! stop! stop! ......... That requires insight. (speculation)

Its like this..

Jesus stands at the door and knocks - That happens when we need to confess our sins that are over due. He stands outside of us to knock with discipline..

He is on the outside waiting for us to answer.

Once we do? He is no longer outside of us.

He then comes in and dines with us on God's Word.

If He is inside? Then we can have "in sight."

Inside = Insight.

"I want you to know how hard I am contending for you and for
those at Laodicea, and for all who have not met me personally.

My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in
love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Col 2:1-3​

Insight = what?

In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."​

God intends to have things requiring insight hidden from certain believers.

That took insight, too.

grace and peace....

 

[FreeGrace2]

What does "having the mind of Christ" mean to you?

1Cor.2:16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

It means we have the WRITTEN Word. Christ is the LIVING Word.

 

[sawdust]

It means we have the WRITTEN Word. Christ is the LIVING Word.

Do you think when the scripture says the following that it is only referencing the Living Word, the Christ or is the written word also alive?

Heb.4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

 

[GenemZ]

Do you think when the scripture says the following that it is only referencing the Living Word, the Christ or is the written word also alive?

Heb.4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God." 1 Pe 1:23