Days Of Noah

[Timtofly]

It didn’t leave.

Paul claims the church would leave the next time Jesus appears in the clouds.

 

[parousia70]

Paul claims the church would leave the next time Jesus appears in the clouds.

Verse?

 

[Hammster]

Paul claims the church would leave the next time Jesus appears in the clouds.

Quote, please.

 

[jeffweedaman]

When Jesus comes on the clouds he is seen by everybody on the planet.


Matt 24
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

The whole world seems to know about Jesus [ the Son of Man ] when this event happens, so its post 70 AD when he comes in the clouds.

 

[Hammster]

When Jesus comes on the clouds he is seen by everybody on the planet.


Matt 24
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

The whole world seems to know about Jesus [ the Son of Man ] when this event happens, so its post 70 AD when he comes in the clouds.

There’s were only twelve tribes. They mourned. They saw Him coming on the clouds just like Egypt did.

 

[Taodeching]

That’s not what He says, though. He explains it.

At some Churches I been to they pound it into one that what Christ said was something He never said. I remember for years believing the same error as the OP

 

[Semper-Fi]

Why The World Is Getting Better And Why Hardly Anyone Knows It

The world has not gotten any better since Nov 30, 2017

 

[Timtofly]

Verse?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

 

[Timtofly]

Quote, please.

15 When we say this, we base it on the Lord’s own word: we who remain alive when the Lord comes will certainly not take precedence over those who have died.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a rousing cry, with a call from one of the ruling angels, and with God’s shofar; those who died united with the Messiah will be the first to rise;
17 then we who are left still alive will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.
18 So encourage each other with these words.

 

[Douggg]

@Love First
@Hämmster

Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews (Judaism) who will end up going through the great tribulation. Ending with Jesus's Second Coming v30.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians to be ready and watching for the rapture. Before the great tribulation begins.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

"your Lord" - the Jews (Judaism) do not consider Jesus their Lord, but Christians do. Jews do not take any value to the parable of the fig tree, but Christians do.

thus...

Matthew 24:15-31, a message to Jews, Israel. And Jesus's Second Coming v30.
Matthew 24:32-51, a message to Christians. About the rapture, not the Second Coming. The world will not be at ease at the time of the Second Coming, the condition of v37-38 does not apply then.

 

[Hammster]

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Do you have a translation that mentions appearing in the clouds?

 

[Hammster]

@Love First
@Hämmster

Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews (Judaism) who will end up going through the great tribulation. Ending with Jesus's Second Coming v30.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians to be ready and watching for the rapture. Before the great tribulation begins.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

"your Lord" - the Jews (Judaism) do not consider Jesus their Lord, but Christians do. Jews do not take any value to the parable of the fig tree, but Christians do.

thus...

Matthew 24:15-31, a message to Jews, Israel. And Jesus's Second Coming v30.
Matthew 24:32-51, a message to Christians. About the rapture, not the Second Coming. The world will not be at ease at the time of the Second Coming, the condition of v37-38 does not apply then.

Nope.

 

[DavidPT]

@Love First
@Hämmster

Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews (Judaism) who will end up going through the great tribulation. Ending with Jesus's Second Coming v30.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians to be ready and watching for the rapture. Before the great tribulation begins.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

"your Lord" - the Jews (Judaism) do not consider Jesus their Lord, but Christians do. Jews do not take any value to the parable of the fig tree, but Christians do.

thus...

Matthew 24:15-31, a message to Jews, Israel. And Jesus's Second Coming v30.
Matthew 24:32-51, a message to Christians. About the rapture, not the Second Coming. The world will not be at ease at the time of the Second Coming, the condition of v37-38 does not apply then.

Don't you often claim you are not Pretrib? Yet, here in this very post you are clearly placing yourself in the Pretrib camp by proposing this---"Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation".

Only in Pretrib can Christians avoid going through the GT, and be raptured prior to it instead. Why not just admit what you are, you're Pretrib, and quit trying to fool others with this anytime rapture mumbo jumbo which really means Pretrib, in your case anyway?

 

[Love First]

@Love First
@Hämmster

Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews (Judaism) who will end up going through the great tribulation. Ending with Jesus's Second Coming v30.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians to be ready and watching for the rapture. Before the great tribulation begins.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

"your Lord" - the Jews (Judaism) do not consider Jesus their Lord, but Christians do. Jews do not take any value to the parable of the fig tree, but Christians do.

thus...

Matthew 24:15-31, a message to Jews, Israel. And Jesus's Second Coming v30.
Matthew 24:32-51, a message to Christians. About the rapture, not the Second Coming. The world will not be at ease at the time of the Second Coming, the condition of v37-38 does not apply then.

I tend to lean towards a Post-Tribulation rapture interpretation of scripture.

 

[Douggg]

Don't you often claim you are not Pretrib? Yet, here in this very post you are clearly placing yourself in the Pretrib camp by proposing this---"Matthew 24:37-38 is in the context of Jesus speaking to Christians the condition of the world at the time of his coming for the rapture so Christians don't have to go through the great tribulation".

David, "pretrib", as the holders of that view consider the entire 7 years the tribulation, actually implies pre-70th week. Not pre-great tribulation.

A big part of the first half of the 70th week is not the great tribulation.

The great tribulation begins when the aod is placed on the temple mount (the holy place), Matthew 24:15. In the middle part of the 70th week.

Differently, the confirming of the covenant for one week begins the 70th week.

Here are two charts I made. The first is the pre-trib Rapture View.

The second is the anytime Rapture View. The difference is that the anytime Rapture View considers that the rapture could possibly not take place until after the 70th week begins.

 

[Douggg]

Nope.

Yep.

 

[Hammster]

Yep.

It can’t be. You’ve divisions it that the disciples would never recognize. And the epistles certainly don’t support your view.

 

[Douggg]

It can’t be. You’ve divisions it that the disciples would never recognize. And the epistles certainly don’t support your view.

Yes, they would. And the epistles support my view.

Do the Jews (Judaism) consider Jesus their Lord?

 

[Hammster]

Yes, they would. And the epistles support my view.

Do the Jews (Judaism) consider Jesus their Lord?

Where is “rapture” in 37-38?

 

[Douggg]

Where is “rapture” in 37-38?

The condition of the world at the time of the rapture is in v37-38.