Does anyone have any hope of changing peoples minds about Trump?

[Under One King]

But again, you can't just equivocate like that. I feel incredibly confident that I didn't lie 14000times. Honestly I don't think I've even been wrong that many times.

And many things he lies about are stupid, easily disputable lies that he insists aren't lies. These are the patterns of a narcisssist. And a gaslighter.;. Telling you your eyes are lying.

Do you mean you don't think you have done wrong very much?

 

[Under One King]

Data is never debatable. Only the conclusions one can draw from the data.

Data is debatable. Sometimes there is data that isn't taking into account other data, which may not make it entirely true. In which case it would be debatable.

 

[Under One King]

You must be using a different definition of "fact" then the rest of us.

fact
/fakt/



noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true.

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Many people believe it is a fact that God exists, and many believe it is a fact that God doesn't exist. In this way, what one believes to be a fact, the other believes is not, and vice versa. Of course, only one is really believing a true fact. But what we as imperfect humans call facts, they are always going to be debated.

 

[Under One King]

And that's why "impartial" third parties are able to verify facts; even when it doesn't go our way.

Read my above post.

 

[Belk]

Data is debatable. Sometimes there is data that isn't taking into account other data, which may not make it entirely true. In which case it would be debatable.

Which, again, is debating the conclusion. The data itself is not being debated.

 

[Belk]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Many people believe it is a fact that God exists, and many believe it is a fact that God doesn't exist. In this way, what one believes to be a fact, the other believes is not, and vice versa. Of course, only one is really believing a true fact. But what we as imperfect humans call facts, they are always going to be debated.

Mislabeling opinion as fact does not suddenly make facts debatable.

 

[Under One King]

Which, again, is debating the conclusion. The data itself is not being debated.

Mislabeling opinion as fact does not suddenly make facts debatable.

You're still not understanding what I'm saying. Data and facts are always going to be debated.

 

[Pommer]

You're still not understanding what I'm saying. Data and facts are always going to be debated.

Is the sky blue at 2 am?

 

[Under One King]

Is the sky blue at 2 am?

Which part of the world?

 

[Pommer]

Which part of the world?

The part of the world where it is 2am.

 

[Belk]

You're still not understanding what I'm saying. Data and facts are always going to be debated.

I'm understanding. I'm telling you that I think you are incorrect and both your examples show why. Mislabeling things is not the same as them being debatable.

 

[Under One King]

The part of the world where it is 2am.

In some parts of the world at certain times of the year, the sky is blue at 2am. Most of the time, in most parts, it is not.

 

[Under One King]

I'm understanding. I'm telling you that I think you are incorrect and both your examples show why. Mislabeling things is not the same as them being debatable.

No, you aren't understanding.
Without getting into any specifics, do you think it's a fact that Trump was a bad president?

 

[Belk]

No, you aren't understanding.
Without getting into any specifics, do you think it's a fact that Trump was a bad president?

No, I think it is an opinion that Trump was a bad president.

 

[Pommer]

In some parts of the world at certain times of the year, the sky is blue at 2am. Most of the time, in most parts, it is not.

“But I’m not wrong” has a long and glorious history in debate.

 

[Under One King]

No, I think it is an opinion that Trump was a bad president.

What's something you believe to be a fact which is controversial?

 

[Under One King]

“But I’m not wrong” has a long and glorious history in debate.

And what's your point?

 

[Pommer]

And what's your point?

This inquiry is way off topic...perhaps you’d do well to try Forum 1236 to hone your debating skillz?

 

[Under One King]

This inquiry is way off topic...perhaps you’d do well to try Forum 1236 to hone your debating skillz?

Oh, and everything you've said is on topic, eh?

 

[Belk]

What's something you believe to be a fact which is controversial?

Nothing I am aware of. For example, evolution could be considered controversial. The fact that the majority of biologists consider the theory of evolution to be accurate is not a controversial statement.

Perhaps a good example might be the fact of the earth being an oblate spheroid. Does that work for your explanation?