Do we humans disprove evolution?

[klutedavid]

Again, you are either lying about not seeing people being cooperating and being altruistic or are so nihilistic that you refuse to see people being cooperative and altruistic. And this has nothing to do with age.

Governments are not people. Realpolitik and fear creates some horrible messes, but as I said before, there are people out there who are altruistic and decent people.

Very few and a minority.

Most people are interested in sport, fashion, money, entertainment. Most people are very self orientated. Very few people give up a Saturday to assist the unfortunate.

 

[Strathos]

Many of us are certainly trying to do so...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Very few and a minority.

Most people are interested in sport, fashion, money, entertainment. Most people are very self orientated. Very few people give up a Saturday to assist the unfortunate.

You cannot say that with any certainty though. You do not know everyone on the planet. In fact, you very likely do not know enough people to say that your claim is fact.
You are judging the majority by the minority.

 

[klutedavid]

You cannot say that with any certainty though. You do not know everyone on the planet. In fact, you very likely do not know enough people to say that your claim is fact.
You are judging the majority by the minority.

Not really. I have lived overseas and there is no difference at all, in the way societies behave. Hard to accept and it is not something a 27 year old person should have to deal with.

If you can accept that you are flawed and that the way you see society, might not be an accurate perspective. Then you can easily accept what I am saying. Society will never tell you this, certainly not the main stream media. Authors don't write about real society, they produce fiction, crime stories, romance, adventures.

How would anyone ever accurately see society the way it really is?

 

[klutedavid]

Many of us are certainly trying to do so...

Trying to do what? Serving the unfortunate, the unlovable, the offensive?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not really. I have lived overseas and there is no difference at all, in the way societies behave. Hard to accept and it is not something a 27 year old person should have to deal with.

If you can accept that you are flawed and that the way you see society, might not be an accurate perspective. Then you can easily accept what I am saying. Society will never tell you this, certainly not the main stream media. Authors don't write about real society, they produce fiction, crime stories, romance, adventures.

How would anyone ever accurately see society the way it really is?

There are good people out there, even if you say there are not or are too nihilistic to see such people. New stories about people helping other people and saving other people are not rare things, nor are people doing good rare either. I know this might be hard for a 70 year old to accept, but it is a fact.

 

[Occams Barber]

If you can go through the day on autopilot, you are truly spoilt.

We all go through the day on autopilot whether we're walking or talking or doing complex activities like driving a car. If you drive; do you remember how difficult it was to learn to coordinate hands, feet and eyes when you first started? With experience we literally drive on autopilot most of the time.

When you speak you rarely need to stop and make a decision about the sounds you need to make to create a particular word -it's automatic.

Once you get used to using a keyboard most of your actions are done without conscious thought.

The reason you're not aware that most of your actions are automatic is - because they're automatic - i.e. below the level of conscious thought

At my age just walking is something that I have to concentrate on. walking with a straight back, watching for rises in the footpath. carefully stepping down or up gutters. I think everyone in my age group concentrates when walking. You must be a young person.

I'm several years older than you but I have none of your apparent difficulties. While you may have some physical limitations that doesn't mean that many of your other actions aren't on auto.

Where you and I need to be really cautious is allowing our opinions to become automatic. In other words, in ceasing to think critically. There's also a danger in believing that old age confers some form of unassailable wisdom. Older people can be as wrong (and frequently are) as anyone else.

OB

 

[klutedavid]

You cannot say that with any certainty though. You do not know everyone on the planet. In fact, you very likely do not know enough people to say that your claim is fact.
You are judging the majority by the minority.

The way you saw yourself and society when you were seventeen. Is rather different to the way you see yourself and society today.

Believe me in that, you will change your perspective again in the next decade. This increasing understanding of society becomes more focused, with each passing decade.

Unfortunate but true.

The world is not the world that a seventeen year old observes.

 

[klutedavid]

There are good people out there, even if you say there are not or are too nihilistic to see such people. New stories about people helping other people and saving other people are not rare things, nor are people doing good rare either. I know this might be hard for a 70 year old to accept, but it is a fact.

You can disagree and I don't mind if you do. The fact is, there are a hundred countries that you cannot visit. There are places even in your own country that you cannot go.

There are dangerous people out there that I hope you never run into.

Drive in peak hour traffic and feel the love.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The way you saw yourself and society when you were seventeen. Is rather different to the way you see yourself and society today.

Believe me in that, you will change your perspective again in the next decade. This increasing understanding of society becomes more focused, with each passing decade.

Unfortunate but true.

The world is not the world that a seventeen year old observes.

And the world is not the world that a 70 year old observes either. We are coloured by our perceptions and our perceptions colour the world around us. You choose to view the world as some sort of nihilistic ruin that has no good people in. I choose to see the world as a place with as much good as there is sadness in it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You can disagree and I don't mind if you do. The fact is, there are a hundred countries that you cannot visit. There are places even in your own country that you cannot go.

There are dangerous people out there that I hope you never run into.

Drive in peak hour traffic and feel the love.

I work in retail and had a customer threaten to 'wrap a stool around my head' because I told his daughter not to mess with the store equipment.
I've also had many customers call me such things as 'angel', 'star', 'diamond' because I've been as nice to them as they have to me.

The world is as much a place of horror and pain as it is beauty and joy and I truly feel sorry that you are too nihilistic to see that.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Humans don't disprove evolution.
I can't even really think of animal that could show evolution being false.

 

[klutedavid]

We all go through the day on autopilot whether we're walking or talking or doing complex activities like driving a car. If you drive; do you remember how difficult it was to learn to coordinate hands, feet and eyes when you first started? With experience we literally drive on autopilot most of the time.

Only if you have lived in an area for some considerable time, is it possible to drive in an automatic way. Drive to a city you don't know and traverse that city. Then you will be concentrating on everything.

When you speak you rarely need to stop and make a decision about the sounds you need to make to create a particular word -it's automatic.

Those different tones and pauses reveal so much for those heightened in noticing those tones. There are people out there that can detect when your lying, by those changes in tones.

Once you get used to using a keyboard most of your actions are done without conscious thought.

Agree.

The reason you're not aware that most of your actions are automatic is - because they're automatic - i.e. below the level of conscious thought

Understand that.

I'm several years older than you but I have non of your apparent difficulties. While you may have some physical limitations that doesn't mean that many of your other actions aren't on auto.

All people in the late sixties and seventies walk carefully. I see them everyday on the buses, the trains, and around shopping areas.

Where you and I need to be really cautious is allowing our opinions to become automatic. In other words, in ceasing to think critically. There's also a danger in believing that old age confers some form of unassailable wisdom. Older people can be as wrong (and frequently are) as anyone else.

I don't accept the concept that older people are wiser. In my experience, old people don't seem to know that much more than someone in their forties. They just have less things to do like working and raising kids. So they talk or whinge about politicians and the weather.

 

[klutedavid]

I work in retail and had a customer threaten to 'wrap a stool around my head' because I told his daughter not to mess with the store equipment.
I've also had many customers call me such things as 'angel', 'star', 'diamond' because I've been as nice to them as they have to me.

The world is as much a place of horror and pain as it is beauty and joy and I truly feel sorry that you are too nihilistic to see that.

I have worked in retail and it is a pleasant vocation. Giving people what they want.

Get a job in the police force, the prison system, a rehab clinic. Try working for a collection agency.

get some experience in life and get back to me.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I have worked in retail and it is a pleasant vocation. Giving people what they want.

Get a job in the police force, the prison system, a rehab clinic. Try working for a collection agency.

get some experience in life and get back to me.

You know, you saying "get some experience in life" really just reads to me as you admitting that you can't make an attempt to try and say that I'm in the wrong.

You have your experiences, I have mine. My father was a policeman, ex-policeman now, and he's seen some of the horrible things people do. Heck, when I was younger, we had to look after some kids from a neighbour because their parents were having a VERY bad dispute and the police had to be called. I've had people murdered in my hometown in places no less than a 10 minute walk from where I live. I've seen gang violence and the after effects of drug and alcohol abuse from people in my hometown.
And yet I still look at the world as a place filled with nice people and beauty. Because I'm not a nihilist.

 

[Occams Barber]

Only if you have lived in an area for some considerable time, is it possible to drive in an automatic way. Drive to a city you don't know and traverse that city. Then you will be concentrating on everything.

You're missing the point. The process of driving becomes automatic. Your conscious awareness of your surroundings will, of course, vary depending on familiarity. In any case driving can be done without conscious thought.

Those different tones and pauses reveal so much for those heightened in noticing those tones. There are people out there that can detect when your lying, by those changes in tones.

Which has nothing to do with speech being a largely automatic process.

All people in the late sixties and seventies walk carefully. I see them everyday on the buses, the trains, and around shopping areas.

"All people in the(ir) late sixties and seventies walk carefully" is a claim you can't substantiate.

I don't accept the concept that older people are wiser. In my experience, old people don't seem to know that much more than someone in their forties. They just have less things to do like working and raising kids. So they talk or whinge about politicians and the weather.

An unfortunate, untrue and rather snarky stereotype of older people.

OB

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[SelfSim]

The reason you're not aware that most of your actions are automatic is - because they're automatic - i.e. below the level of conscious thought

Maybe .. but still they're not beyond the scope of the mind's perceptions, or control.

Where you and I need to be really cautious is allowing our opinions to become automatic.

I think being aware of when one is acting out of opinions, is a product of acquired wisdom.

In other words, in ceasing to think critically. There's also a danger in believing that old age confers some form of unassailable wisdom. Older people can be as wrong (and frequently are) as anyone else.

I don't agree with assessing wisdom on the basis of being right or wrong about anything .. but I do agree that 'being wise' does not necessarily carry the prerequisite of age.
One should approach assessments of wisdom with skepticism.

 

[AV1611VET]

I work in retail and had a customer threaten to 'wrap a stool around my head' because I told his daughter not to mess with the store equipment.

Was that you!?

 

[Strathos]

Trying to do what? Serving the unfortunate, the unlovable, the offensive?

Disprove evolution.