You say I don't understand, but then you continue at great length to prove my point.Not the way you seem to understand this. Not with the context you are giving this.
Right. Jesus is in heaven and trying to help people who are on their way to hell. Apparently he doesn't care in the slightest about the people who are suffering in hell.Right now, Jesus is in Heaven, and He is doing all He can to help people who are on their way to Hell. So, Heaven now does care about people on this earth.
Yes, but only while they are alive on Earth. The corollary of this is that heaven does not care in the slightest about people once they have left the Earth and are suffering eternally in hell. Which is just what I said you said.So, Heaven does care about miserable and awful people who are not all-loving.
Apparently, when you get to heaven you will be transformed in such a manner as to love all of those who are in heaven, all of those who are on Earth, and none of those who are in hell.But Jesus says, "if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" in Matthew 5:46. If by nature people only love certain people, their character is anti-God. They have love idols . . . those they can use for what they want, often enough. But Jesus came to save us from how we can be selfishly loving only our own family and friends.
You have, I think, got it backwards. Loving people is caring about them. If you love somebody, you feel sorry for them when they are hurting. Don't you agree?This is another thing, then > Jesus wants me to love better, than to only love certain ones in my own family. You keep saying, what about caring for my own wife and children? . . . things like this. Jesus has us loving any and all people. But selfish character limits us to being able to love only ones we can possess and control and use for what we want . . . or to tend to this way of loving.
Yes. And to forget all about the people who are in hell. I'm not quite sure whether you don't love them any more, or whether you love them, but just don't care that they are suffering (which doesn't sound much like love at all). Both seem heartless and appaling, but I'm not sure which one is worse.Only God can change our character so we become genuinely loving, then Hebrews 12:4-14 . . . so we are holy in love which makes us ready to share eternity with Jesus and one another.
What makes you think that people in hell become evil? Why would your wife, or child, or best friend suddenly want to destroy you? It sounds very much as if you're (almost literally) demonising them to excuse yourself for not caring about their suffering any more.And the time for this change is now. People in Hell won't have this character; so they will not be capable of honestly desiring to be saved. Their motive might be to try to get to Heaven so they can destroy how Jesus has things > this is what Satan tried to do, and his children are like him > John 8:44.
Instead of which, they are burning and suffering in hell.So, it is not about if I would care about people or not. Their character without Jesus makes them so they would burn and greatly suffer torment in the presence of the most beautifully loving and caring One of all.
And, just to be absolutely clear about this - while they are burning and suffering in hell for eternity, you in heaven are feeling...perfect bliss?
Okay. Maybe you can't help them. So instead, you just go on your merry way, enjoying the pure happiness of eternity in heaven, while the flesh is being friend off their bones.And I can't help them if I am miserable and suffering and sorrowful . . . like they are. That doesn't work. I need to become how they need to become so this can spread to make them capable of sharing intimately with God.
I'm just confused as to how you manage to maintain that they are in hell and you are in heaven and you are happy and you love and care about them at the same time. At least one of these is incompatible with the others.
That doesn't sound like love at all.And by nature God is beautifully wonderful in joy and glory of love. You can not love, without being joyful. Caring does not mean suffering torment in worry. That's not loving, because it has you suffering. You can mourn and care without suffering torment of fear and worry.
Let's look at how love works in the real world.
A mother, who loves her son, sees that he has a terrible illness and is suffering in terrible pain, and is probably going to die. According to you, she should care for him, but not feel the slightest upset or sadness herself. She's already doing everything she can for him, and how can feeling bad herself help? So she doesn't.
This is either a ridiculous image or a horrifying one, but it's what you're describing.
But it's very relevant. It's the whole point of this thread.So, in my opinion, whether or not I would care about people in Hell, or think of them, is not relevant. What we do now, by being examples of how people can become, is what needs our attention.
I get why you are trying very hard to avoid answering it. Either you say that you do care and feel pain when those you love are suffering (in which case heaven isn't perfect) or you say that you don't care in the slightest when those you love are suffering (in which case you can hardly call it love).
Either way, heaven seems to be a pretty horrible place.
According to what you say, it is populated by people who do not care in the slightest about the people suffering in hell. So I think you've actually just proved my point for me.So, if you feel Heaven is horrible, I think you are not correct.
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