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Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

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13And there came a voice to him: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. 14But Peter said: Far be it from me; for I never did eat any thing that is common and unclean. 15And the voice spoke to him again the second time: That which God hath cleansed, do not thou call common.

And He wasn't telling St. Peter to kill and eat gentiles.
With respect, you're quite late, and should've of at least read some more of the other posts. (The conclusion from this partial citation of scripture has already been debunked in this thread, extensively.)

--No disrespect, just for expedience, I strongly recommend you actually read the thread before continuing to post.
 
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With respect, you're quite late, and should've of at least read some more of the other posts.
Did. You asked a question, I gave you the answer. Whether you like the answer or not is irrelevant.

(The conclusion from this partial citation of scripture has already been debunked in this thread, extensively.)
Yeahm that's the "He wasn't really talking about eatin' nuthin'" canard, wasn't it?
Sorry, no worky. It stiull says what it says.
-No disrespect, just for expedience, I strongly recommend you actually read the thread before continuing to post.
Advice accepted as worth the price charged.
 
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Noah isn't Hebrew.

You're confusing the old covenant with God's laws: God's laws are not the old covenant, but the old covenant is comprised of God's laws.

Please simply read my other posts on this thread: by doing so, you will find, that I'm not confused about Gentiles, nor Hebrews, nor God's people, but you are.

You are the one who is confused. You referenced God giving Adam and Noah laws - which are to be followed timelessly and make it in comparison to that given by Moses, now you just stated the difference (which is the point i made).

Your post are complete flawed reasoning, and from here it appears you don't even understand your own arguments.
 
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You are the one who is confused. You referenced God giving Adam and Noah laws - which are to be followed timelessly and make it in comparison to that given by Moses, now you just stated the difference (which is the point i made).

Your post are complete flawed reasoning, and from here it appears you don't even understand your own arguments.
I'd be happy to clarify, but I don't think you're interested, especially after accusing me of not understanding my own arguments, I don't see how you're even listening.

I tried.

I cannot overcome your preconceptions, no matter how sound my logic--this is normal, and has nothing to do with intelligence, but faith.

Goodbye.
 
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Well, let's take a look at it, to see what it means:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates." --Deuteronomy 6:4-9

First things first: if you don't have kids, you can't teach it to them, nor could you write it on your door posts without a house, etc.

Secondly, to put them in your heart, and on your hand, and between your eyes, is not referring to something that is done physically, but spiritually.

Concerning praying and talking about them, I do it more than what it says to: does that mean I'm breaking the law, by doing it more than it says? of course not: the prescription plainly means, that we are to be filled with His word, in all aspects of our lives, thus it will flow from us, in all that we do.

For example, if you have a house, you should put it on the door posts, and gate posts, and decorate your house with His words, as many people enjoy to do today. But if you prefer to decorate your house with worldly idolatry, and perversion, and vanity, instead of wholesome reminders of His word, then know for yourself, that what is within you, and what you are drawn to, is not His word, but the world.

Take me, for example, I love portraits of Noah's Ark, and the scriptures printed on them, reminding me of God's salvation, and the beauty of His creation: those kinds of things I love now because I love God; but before, I preferred pornography and violence, and many kinds of fantasy, especially in movies, because I loved the excitement and delusion of pleasure, and the detachment from reality it provided; but now I hate those things, because now I can see them for what they are, sorcery and vanity.

Christians fulfill the righteousness of the law, because we do it from the love we have for God, not by some external motivation, such as being stoned to death.

Me, and others like me, are the proof today, against the old covenant, for we do what is right by our new conscience toward God; not by the cost of some animals life, nor by the fear of stoning, but solely by the love of God; thus the law is perfected in us.

When once a Jew would behave for fear of having to pay the price, whether it be in the form of one of his animals, or money, or his own life, now, by the New Covenant, he is motivated solely by what is right, by the life of Christ, Who already paid the price, once, for all our lives--if this doesn't engender love in a man toward God, then nothing will.

Concerning Leviticus, and the feasts (I'm going to get in trouble with some for saying this): I don't think they are required, but I do think they benefit us.

--I must be clear, that I am fundamentally speaking from ignorance concerning this, and coincidentally, that, in it of itself, is another reason why I don't think they are required: not because I've rejected the knowledge concerning the feasts, but because I just don't have it, yet I am Christian indeed; therefore, I have concluded that they are not required for salvation, BUT AND IF, someone would show me that they are, then I would immediately, repent to keeping them, and adopt them into my life, straightaway, period.

Think of it, people love the so called 'holidays' of the world, but what about the holy days of God? --I'm suspicious of that also.

How many things do you currently think are required for salvation?
 
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With respect, you're quite late, and should've of at least read some more of the other posts. (The conclusion from this partial citation of scripture has already been debunked in this thread, extensively.)

--No disrespect, just for expedience, I strongly recommend you actually read the thread before continuing to post.

If it's that easily debunked, why is it still a matter of debate after all these centuries?
 
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I'd be happy to clarify, but I don't think you're interested, especially after accusing me of not understanding my own arguments, I don't see how you're even listening.

I tried.

I cannot overcome your preconceptions, no matter how sound my logic--this is normal, and has nothing to do with intelligence, but faith.

Goodbye.
It's not good to take so much pride in your views that you are unwilling to be reasoned with. Your views are not of faith but very bad theology and low understanding of scripture.
 
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It's not good to take so much pride in your views that you are unwilling to be reasoned with. Your views are not of faith but very bad theology and low understanding of scripture.
You're confusing my confidence with pride, and scripture with my views.

I've only told you what the bible says; and I'm willing to prove all that I've said, by citing the scriptures: all's you'd have to do is ask.

I'm still at your service.
 
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If it's that easily debunked, why is it still a matter of debate after all these centuries?
Because it is only debunked to those who are seeking to obey the Lord--to most everyone else, it's just a lie.

Don't you know, most who profess to believe, don't obey Him, they do their own will, and ignore His order for them to obey His Father:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." --Matthew 7:21-23

Remember, that many, will consider Him their Lord, yet will not go His way, but their own:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." --Matthew 7:13-14

--I don't know how long you've been a Christian, but this is quite normal: most people want to do whatever they please, especially when it comes to religion.

Most are concerned with what others think, especially what their religious leaders think, this isn't new:

"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." --John 12:42-43

It's always been about the Father's will, that is the reason the Lord came, it was to reveal His Father:

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." --John 12:44-50

That is the work of God, that you believe on Him:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." --John 6:29

To believe the Son is to obey the Son, period, for He is the actual Lord:

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." --John 3:36

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." --Hebrews 5:9


What is right is not supposed to increase in the land, but what is wrong, and that will ever continue until the Lord comes.

It must be as wicked as in the times of Noah, who was a preacher of righteousness, yet by the time of the end the world was so bad, that not one person was left that gave an actual damn, but scoffers:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." --Matthew 24:36-39

Nothing new, man, nothing new.
 
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I've only told you what the bible says;
I was expecting you say this eventually because this sentence is the most common post here in CF (along with, "only those who hear his voice"), and it's always from someone who can't accept that their views have fallacies.
 
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God said nothing about hygiene. He declared pigs unclean on the same basis that He did squirrels, which are very clean in comparison.
About time.

God said not to touch the carcass of a pig. Hygiene.

Leviticus 11:7-8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Oh I'm not going anywhere.
 
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Because it is only debunked to those who are seeking to obey the Lord--to most everyone else, it's just a lie.

Don't you know, most who profess to believe, don't obey Him, they do their own will, and ignore His order for them to obey His Father:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." --Matthew 7:21-23

Remember, that many, will consider Him their Lord, yet will not go His way, but their own:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." --Matthew 7:13-14

--I don't know how long you've been a Christian, but this is quite normal: most people want to do whatever they please, especially when it comes to religion.

Most are concerned with what others think, especially what their religious leaders think, this isn't new:

"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God." --John 12:42-43

It's always been about the Father's will, that is the reason the Lord came, it was to reveal His Father:

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." --John 12:44-50

That is the work of God, that you believe on Him:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." --John 6:29

To believe the Son is to obey the Son, period, for He is the actual Lord:

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." --John 3:36

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." --Hebrews 5:9


What is right is not supposed to increase in the land, but what is wrong, and that will ever continue until the Lord comes.

It must be as wicked as in the times of Noah, who was a preacher of righteousness, yet by the time of the end the world was so bad, that not one person was left that gave an actual damn, but scoffers:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." --Matthew 24:36-39

Nothing new, man, nothing new.

I've been a Christian my entire life and I'm pushing 60.

I don't see where all the scripture you posted is germane to the longstanding debate regarding Peter's vision, which is germane to eating pork chops.
 
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God said not to touch the carcass of a pig. Hygiene.

Leviticus 11:7-8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

Oh I'm not going anywhere.

Isn't the carcase of most every creature unhygienic?
 
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I was expecting you say this eventually because this sentence is the most common post here in CF (along with, "only those who hear his voice"), and it's always from someone who can't accept that their views have fallacies.
Can you accept that your view has fallacies?
 
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Not from my (albeit limited) experience.
Sorry man, but you're late--remember, timing is everything when it comes to what you do: I'm hopeful tho, that you'll do better next time, but on this thread, you've kinda given up, so unless you get the momentum back, I suggest you save it for the next one, cause I truly enjoy watching you, lol--seriously tho, I do.
 
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