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Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

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Actually, it's all about obeying the Lord.
Well, as I understand Jesus' teaching on the subject of food, the main point is that things coming into your body from the outside don't make you unacceptable to God.

So nothing going into your mouth, blood being injection to your veins, these things don't affect our relationship with God.

The stuff that comes out of our heart and the stuff that comes out of our mouths, or the things we write on forums like this, these have a huge impact on our relationship with God.

That's how it looks to me, but I know many of my Christian brothers and sisters see it differently. How does it look to you?
 
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It's easy, actually: The Lord my God is one Lord, and I love Him with all my heart, my soul, my mind and strength, and I love the brethren as the Lord loves me--all this, possible, only by the Spirit of Christ Himself, Who lives in me, and empowers me, by His grace, to make my body a living sacrifice, holy, and acceptable to God.

The keeping of God's laws is now natural to me, when once it was not.

I now hate the world, and the things that are of the world, but love God's laws, and all things that are of God.

Don't know why it would have to be complicated.

I agree. It is not complicated at all. I am so grateful to our Lord Jesus Christ for having freed me from the bondage of law-keeping so that I might worship Him in spirit and in truth.
 
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Pigs are scavengers God designed to process poisons, to cleanse the earth, just as with all scavengers on God's unclean meat list. It doesn't take a lot of common sense to understand that what scavengers eat, that is what is absorbed in their bodies, and that also is what you're eating. Likewise with animals that eat grains, that is what is absorbed in their bodies that we are eating. And what was the danger of eating cows with the Mad Cow disease?

Carp are also scavengers, eating essentially anything they find at the bottoms of rivers. Carp are clean fish according to the Law. Should we eat carp even though they are scavengers?

BTW, chickens eat anything and everything including small rocks and pebbles. Do you like to eat free-range chickens?
 
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By the same token, maybe we should not eat meat in front of vegetarians for fear of offending their sensibilities? To which I would reply, you do your thing and I will do mine, but please do not tell me what to do. Mutual respect.
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I hear what you're saying. I think, though, that if the other person is a vegetarian because of spiritual convictions, it's probably best not to eat meat in front of them, or wave it in their face so to speak.
Just like I wouldn't offer communion wine to a recovering alcoholic who has said that even the smell is a temptation to them.

It looks to me like in New testament times many gentile Christians in gentile areas were eating whatever. Jewish Christians in Jerusalem where zealous for the law, probably eating a kosher diet. Those two groups can live together in the body of Christ if they walk in love.

Of course, on an internet forum like this one, we're going to meet other believers with deep convictions about food that are different from our own.

Like you said, Mutual Respect.
 
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You're missing it: God gave all living things to Noah, for food, as He gave the plants to His grandfather, by kind.

Can't you see, that by your interpretation, human beings are on the menu!

--you don't have to kill a man to eat him, you just need to be there when they're serving him up.

It's wrong to eat human flesh, not because it makes you unclean to do it, but solely because God forbids it, along with many other kinds of flesh.

C'mon folks!

This is not about what you eat, it has never been about that, but whether or not you will obey God!

That doesn’t follow the context of God’s previous statement about all the animals, birds, and fish fearing him.
 
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It is not me causing the contradiction you see. Why?

The reason is because like Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 10:25, that whatever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no questions. And if we are invited to dine with the unbeliever, eat what is put before us, asking no questions. The reason is per The New Covenant we can... eat whatever, for The Gospel's sake. We are no longer 'legally' tied to the Old Covenant Deuteronomy 14 list. YET... it doesn't mean God suddenly made unclean meats healthy for our flesh either. That's where the seeming contradiction is being caused in your mind.

And this can be scientifically, medically proven so. Eating from the unclean list of meats is still unhealthy for our flesh body. Ask any medical doctor.

Ive said this many times in this thread there are several poisonous fish that have scales and fins and hamburger is just as unhealthy as pork. It all depends on the cuts of meat that are being compared. Some cuts of pork are healthier than some cuts of beef and vice versa. Also it’s been proven that red meats are a large contributor to colon cancer whereas pork is not. So there are pros & cons to both beef and pork.
 
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Which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS addresses the dietary law? As I stated earlier in this thread I have been informed by many SDA posters here at CF that God only requires obedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS and to no other commandments in the Old or New Testaments.

Well those SDA folks have informed you incorrectly.

We are not under the ten commandments. They are part and parcel of the Mosaic Law!

Paul told the church this about the ten commandments:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
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7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The laws purpose was to drive Israel to Christ! It is a ministry of condemnation. It defines sin and causes the sin nature to sin!

The church is not under the law written and engraven in stones, but under grace!

Rom. 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

God gave the law to make sin abound!

To live under the law is to live in death.
 
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Well those SDA folks have informed you incorrectly.

We are not under the ten commandments. They are part and parcel of the Mosaic Law!

Paul told the church this about the ten commandments:

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
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7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

The laws purpose was to drive Israel to Christ! It is a ministry of condemnation. It defines sin and causes the sin nature to sin!

The church is not under the law written and engraven in stones, but under grace!

Rom. 5:20
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

God gave the law to make sin abound!

To live under the law is to live in death.

Of course I agree with you. However, I addressed my comment to an SDA poster who has put himself under the Law, especially in this case, the dietary law. The standard SDA line here at CF is that God has placed all mankind under the TEN COMMANDMENTS (only) and that the other commandments are irrelevant. If they actually believe that then they have absolutely no reason to make a fuss about the dietary law as it is no part of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
 
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You misunderstand, greatly.

To strangle an animal to death is cruel: it has nothing to do with blood--blood can be drained--but a strangled animal's flesh will be contaminated with adrenaline, and other, unknown hormones, due to fighting for it's life; but a properly slaughtered animal, will not.

Blood can be drained, hormones cannot--nor can the cruelty.

Meats sacrificed to idols is forbidden, not because they're unhealthy, but because of what it means.

I worked at a Muslim slaughterhouse: halal meat, requires that the animal be offered to Allah, by calling his name over the animal as the throat is cut, and the animal's head must be facing Mecca. --if that is not an animal sacrificed to a false god, then I don't know what is.

If I know it's been offered up to an idol, then I don't want it, nor should it be eaten; yet, if by ignorance, someone serves me halal meat, and I eat, I am without sin, for an idol is nothing; but the conscience is everything.

The sin is not in the meat, but in whether or not we will obey God.

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I meant to say, if by my ignorance I eat halal meat, I am without sin...


If by your ignorance, you say your brothers sin by eating pork and clams and lobsters and chicken (all fowl in those days were strangled) then you are not without sin!

Romans 14
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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


1 Corinthians 10:24-26
King James Version

24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.


The shambles were the meat markets of the day! Much of the meat they got was from the temples to idols! Much of that meat was red meat and still bloody!

I guess you think Paul a sinner as well.
 
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Of course I agree with you. However, I addressed my comment to an SDA poster who has put himself under the Law, especially in this case, the dietary law. The standard SDA line here at CF is that God has placed all mankind under the TEN COMMANDMENTS (only) and that the other commandments are irrelevant. If they actually believe that then they have absolutely no reason to make a fuss about the dietary law as it is no part of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.


And the really sad thing is this:

Every believer has the personal liberty to follow or not follow the Jewish dietary laws. These are things we have been explicitly and clearly told are matters of personal conscience. I would defend a believer who wishes to be kosher. But when they say to not to is isn - then I must resist them intenseley for they are sinning against God and slandering the brethren and sistren(is that even a word?):ebil:
 
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And the really sad thing is this:

Every believer has the personal liberty to follow or not follow the Jewish dietary laws. These are things we have been explicitly and clearly told are matters of personal conscience. I would defend a believer who wishes to be kosher. But when they say to not to is isn - then I must resist them intenseley for they are sinning against God and slandering the brethren and sistren(is that even a word?):ebil:

I agree entirely. I never did understand why the English language has brothers and brethren and sisters, but not sistren. ;)
 
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Well, as I understand Jesus' teaching on the subject of food, the main point is that things coming into your body from the outside don't make you unacceptable to God.

So nothing going into your mouth, blood being injection to your veins, these things don't affect our relationship with God.

The stuff that comes out of our heart and the stuff that comes out of our mouths, or the things we write on forums like this, these have a huge impact on our relationship with God.

That's how it looks to me, but I know many of my Christian brothers and sisters see it differently. How does it look to you?
Nothing that can enter me can defile me, period.

Rebellion against God is what defiles a man, period.

The Lord spelled this out to the Jewish leaders, who refused to accept His teachings, for none of them kept God's laws, but by their own traditions annulled them.

Therefore, it is not what goes into a man that can defile a man, but his own rebellion. Amen.
 
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I agree. It is not complicated at all. I am so grateful to our Lord Jesus Christ for having freed me from the bondage of law-keeping so that I might worship Him in spirit and in truth.
When did you ever engage in "law-keeping"? I'd love to know, cause that is very rare indeed; and if you were once lawful but now are lawless, that is even rarer, and I love to know, if so, thanks.
 
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That doesn’t follow the context of God’s previous statement about all the animals, birds, and fish fearing him.
...missing it again, man...

It's not about fear, nor food, but solely about obedience to God.

Do you not understand, that had God told Adam to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, there wouldn't be a problem? for Adam would've eaten in obedience.

Please understand, that the only problem was that Adam disobeyed, not that he ate!
 
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I like how you start this post with an article about COVID-19 saying "The scientific consensus is that bats are the ultimate source of coronaviruses." and again "Experts are not sure how it started" in humans. Then in closing "Please stop spreading misinformation." So if the scientific consensus is that COVID-19 comes from bats and the scientific community does not know how it started in humans. How is the person your posting to spreading misinformation when all you have provided here is a theory of how it started? Don't forget the scientific community does not know how it started. Just saying....
No, she said it was started from eating bats. That is false.
 
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...missing it again, man...

It's not about fear, nor food, but solely about obedience to God.

Do you not understand, that had God told Adam to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, there wouldn't be a problem? for Adam would've eaten in obedience.

Please understand, that the only problem was that Adam disobeyed, not that he ate!

No my point was in reference to your statement concerning cannibalism. In the context of verses 2 and 3 together we can conclude that God was not advocating cannibalism. Verse 2 is defining God’s statement in verse 3 by establishing parameters of the subject.

“The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every animal of the earth and on every bird of the sky; on everything that crawls on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea. They are handed over to you. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:2-3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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Nothing that can enter me can defile me, period.

Rebellion against God is what defiles a man, period.

The Lord spelled this out to the Jewish leaders, who refused to accept His teachings, for none of them kept God's laws, but by their own traditions annulled them.

Therefore, it is not what goes into a man that can defile a man, but his own rebellion. Amen.
If pork going into your mouth is rebellion,
And rebellion makes you unacceptable to God,
Then there are things that go into you from the outside and make you unacceptable to God.
 
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If by your ignorance, you say your brothers sin by eating pork and clams and lobsters and chicken (all fowl in those days were strangled) then you are not without sin!

Romans 14
King James Version

14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


1 Corinthians 10:24-26
King James Version

24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.

25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.


The shambles were the meat markets of the day! Much of the meat they got was from the temples to idols! Much of that meat was red meat and still bloody!

I guess you think Paul a sinner as well.
Ironic that you refer to my ignorance when talking about butchering animals--to this day, the only air breathing animals that I know that don't get strangled are fowl, they get their heads cut of, or heads wrung off, but never, have I ever heard of fowl be strangled to death as part of any slaughterhouse process. --not only would a procedure like that be completely unnecessary to kill such small animals, but it would be difficult to perform, especially on mass, nor would it be profitable, to anyone, at anytime. --the irony of what you just said is almost incredible to me...

Strangulation of large animals, is a method of killing that requires a lot less skill--just get a rope around it's head, and tense it up, and wait. Not only is this method obviously cruel, but more importantly, it is against what God commands.

Concerning red meat: it's not red because of blood, but because of kind: red meat is red due to myoglobin (a type of muscle protein), not hemoglobin is a protein found in blood, not muscle. There are different kinds of flesh, some flesh is red, while others are white, etc.

Concerning conscience: we are not supposed to ask, cause idols are nothing, but if informed, we cannot eat, specifically for conscience, not ours, but theirs.

Meat sacrificed to idols is an abomination, period.

Please understand, that the idol cannot make the meat unclean, for an idol is nothing, yet, if we seek to eat that kind of meat, presumptuously, against what God commands, then indeed, we sin, and mortally.
 
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Gentles will not enter God's Kingdom according to the scriptures. God's Israel in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word.


The gentiles are non-Israelites, not people who are not sabbath adhering Christians (SDA).

Ellen White wasn’t very reliable. Her book Sketches from the Life of Paul was heavily plagiarized from the book Life and Epistles of the Apostle Paul, published in 1855.
The SDA didn’t republish White’s book the Conybeare and Howson copyright had expired.

So, I don’t really believe SDA doctrine as it wasn’t built on solid foundation.
 
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