Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

[Soyeong]

25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

When God has commanded something and you think that Paul spoke against obeying what God commanded, then you have a decision to make about who has the higher authority and which one to follow, but the reality is that Paul was a servant of God, so he never did that. Those verse are speaking about not raising questions in regard to whether it had previously been offered to idols, not speaking against obeying God.

"Arise, Peter, kill and eat..."

Acts 10:14-15 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

It should be noted that Peter did not just object by saying that he had never eaten anything that was unclean, but also added that he had never eaten anything that was common. Furthermore, God only rebuked Peter for his use of the word "common" and not for his use of the word "unclean". In other words, Peter had correctly identified the unclean animals as unclean and had correctly declined to eat them in obedience to God's commands in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, but he had incorrectly identified the clean animals as common and had incorrectly declined to eat them in disobedience to God's command to kill and eat. So Peter's vision had nothing to do with a change in the status is unclean animals, but rather he interpreted his vision three times as being in regard to incorrectly identifying Gentiles.

 

[Servus]

No, He wants you to eat cows and get E. Coli, or chickens and get salmonella.

Chickens = H1N1 Avian Influenza Viruses.

Cows = Mad Cow Disease.

And worst of all, there's been many times when Spinach = E. Coli.

 

[Jipsah]

Its actually called the bible and it has been shared with you. What is it in the bible and its scriptures that has been shared with you that you disagree with and why?

So God was telling Peter to arise, kill, and eat... gentiles? Dang!

 

[Religiot]

Jesus said this to a Samaritan. I am not a Samaritan.

...did you not know that most of what the Lord said, He said to Jews?

By your logic, none of what the Lord said applies to you.

 

[Religiot]

You haven’t shown anywhere that any animals were forbidden for Noah to eat. You’ve only shown that he was not to eat blood.

Noah was given the animals to eat as his grandfather was given the plants to eat, by kind.

 

[Religiot]

You do realize that Genesis 9 comes after Genesis 1,7,& 8 right? Genesis 9:3 God has removed all restrictions.

“The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every animal of the earth and on every bird of the sky; on everything that crawls on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea. They are handed over to you. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:2-3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

You're missing it: God gave all living things to Noah, for food, as He gave the plants to His grandfather, by kind.

Can't you see, that by your interpretation, human beings are on the menu!

--you don't have to kill a man to eat him, you just need to be there when they're serving him up.

It's wrong to eat human flesh, not because it makes you unclean to do it, but solely because God forbids it, along with many other kinds of flesh.

C'mon folks!

This is not about what you eat, it has never been about that, but whether or not you will obey God!

 

[prodromos]

...did you not know that most of what the Lord said, He said to Jews?

By your logic, none of what the Lord said applies to you.

You are quoting that verse as if to say we (Christians) don't know who we worship, and that we need to either become Jews or go to the Jews to be able to know God, which is either ignorant or stupid, I don't know which.

 

[Religiot]

So show where the church leaders said no pig, no camel or deer, or eel, or lobster. or clams or mussels or shrimp or crab, or crayfish, or scallops, or pigeons, or bats, or worms etc.etc.

Things strangled and blood refer to teh same thing- don't eat blood. Things strangled were not bled properly so you would eat blood if cooked without proper bleeding!

Paul negated refraining from eating meats offered to idols (lots of the cooked meats in the shambles was just that) when he said to eat it without asking questions, for the earth is the Lords and the fulness there of! But if someone told you it was offered to idols, not to eat-for the other persons conscience!

You misunderstand, greatly.

To strangle an animal to death is cruel: it has nothing to do with blood--blood can be drained--but a strangled animal's flesh will be contaminated with adrenaline, and other, unknown hormones, due to fighting for it's life; but a properly slaughtered animal, will not.

Blood can be drained, hormones cannot--nor can the cruelty.

Meats sacrificed to idols is forbidden, not because they're unhealthy, but because of what it means.

I worked at a Muslim slaughterhouse: halal meat, requires that the animal be offered to Allah, by calling his name over the animal as the throat is cut, and the animal's head must be facing Mecca. --if that is not an animal sacrificed to a false god, then I don't know what is.

If I know it's been offered up to an idol, then I don't want it, nor should it be eaten; yet, if by ignorance, someone serves me halal meat, and I eat, I am without sin, for an idol is nothing; but the conscience is everything.

The sin is not in the meat, but in whether or not we will obey God.

EDIT:
I meant to say, if by my ignorance I eat halal meat, I am without sin...

 

[Religiot]

Hi Rebekah Shafer, welcome!

You'll find a lot of people here that agree with you on that food choice, and many people that don't. My challenge is to try to always remember that it's all about edifying the other person.

I hope you enjoy the forums!

Actually, it's all about obeying the Lord.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Actually, it's all about obeying the Lord.

Out of curiosity, do you believe that by obeying the TEN COMMANDMENTS only, you are obeying God fully?

 

[Religiot]

You are quoting that verse as if to say we (Christians) don't know who we worship, and that we need to either become Jews or go to the Jews to be able to know God, which is either ignorant or stupid, I don't know which.

Not only did you misunderstand me, but your dichotomy is also false.

 

[Religiot]

Out of curiosity, do you believe that by obeying the TEN COMMANDMENTS only, you are obeying God fully?

Not at all.

 

[1an]

Hi Rebekah Shafer, welcome!

You'll find a lot of people here that agree with you on that food choice, and many people that don't. My challenge is to try to always remember that it's all about edifying the other person.

I hope you enjoy the forums!

By the same token, maybe we should not eat meat in front of vegetarians for fear of offending their sensibilities? To which I would reply, you do your thing and I will do mine, but please do not tell me what to do. Mutual respect.
.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Not at all.

Okay. What other commandments, in particular, do you believe you must obey?

 

[prodromos]

Not only did you misunderstand me, but your dichotomy is also false.

How did I misunderstand you? It's an easy thing to claim, but unless you offer some detail as to how, it does nothing to help the communication to move forward.

 

[Religiot]

Okay. What other commandments, in particular, do you believe you must obey?

It's easy, actually: The Lord my God is one Lord, and I love Him with all my heart, my soul, my mind and strength, and I love the brethren as the Lord loves me--all this, possible, only by the Spirit of Christ Himself, Who lives in me, and empowers me, by His grace, to make my body a living sacrifice, holy, and acceptable to God.

The keeping of God's laws is now natural to me, when once it was not.

I now hate the world, and the things that are of the world, but love God's laws, and all things that are of God.

Don't know why it would have to be complicated.

 

[Religiot]

How did I misunderstand you? It's an easy thing to claim, but unless you offer some detail as to how, it does nothing to help the communication to move forward.

Well then, it seems I've misunderstood you: where would you like to start?

 

[Davy]

People probably think that about verse 5 because it specifically states “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Your exegesis is contradicting verse 5. Your adding stipulations to verse 4 that contradict verse 5. Nowhere in the scriptures are Gentiles ever commanded to obey they Jewish dietary laws my friend.

It is not me causing the contradiction you see. Why?

The reason is because like Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 10:25, that whatever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no questions. And if we are invited to dine with the unbeliever, eat what is put before us, asking no questions. The reason is per The New Covenant we can... eat whatever, for The Gospel's sake. We are no longer 'legally' tied to the Old Covenant Deuteronomy 14 list. YET... it doesn't mean God suddenly made unclean meats healthy for our flesh either. That's where the seeming contradiction is being caused in your mind.

And this can be scientifically, medically proven so. Eating from the unclean list of meats is still unhealthy for our flesh body. Ask any medical doctor.

 

[Davy]

I think you have interpreted the condition to be much more narrow than intended because you think we must abide by food laws in the New Covenant.

Not at all. I have interpreted the Scripture the way it is written. Apostle Paul pointed to meats that God created for us eat, i.e., the clean list. But then he also showed that under The New Testament we have the liberty to eat whatever is sold in the marker ("shambles"). If you can't understand this, then it only means you instead want to believe in some preacher telling fairy tales that whatever we eat is healthy as long as we pray over it. That's simply not true, and goes against God's creation for this world.

 

[Davy]

In our country regulations around food safety are pretty tight.

This is driven by evidence based assessments.

Pork has never been deemed unsafe...

Pigs are scavengers God designed to process poisons, to cleanse the earth, just as with all scavengers on God's unclean meat list. It doesn't take a lot of common sense to understand that what scavengers eat, that is what is absorbed in their bodies, and that also is what you're eating. Likewise with animals that eat grains, that is what is absorbed in their bodies that we are eating. And what was the danger of eating cows with the Mad Cow disease?