Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

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I reckon the "Day of the Lord" (yome) which is near, will be eternal, but according to your way of thinking it will be 24 hours. Good luck with that and likewise with your view that the heaven, the earth, and all in it were created in 144 earth hours even when there was no sun.
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The Day of the Lord is a period or age of time based on figuring that out by looking at the whole counsel of God's Word. The day of the Lord is defined by looking at the same signs that appear at the breaking of the sixth seal, and it is also defined by the End of this earth mentioned by Peter. But nowhere is the Day of the Lord attached with the words evening and morning (Which defines a 24 hour day).

If the six days of creation were not marked by an evening and morning, then I could maybe see you allegorizing them. But an evening and morning defining each day tells us that this is a 24 hour day. If this was not the case, then you would not be able to be on time to work, or at a doctor's appointment. You don't say to you to your doctor that you thought he was speaking metaphorically about the days and that is why you missed your appointment. Something is literal unless there is an indication in the text that suggests otherwise.

 

[1an]

The Day of the Lord is a period or age of time based on figuring that out by looking at the whole counsel of God's Word. The day of the Lord is defined by looking at the same signs that appear at the breaking of the sixth seal, and it is also defined by the End of this earth mentioned by Peter. But nowhere is the Day of the Lord attached with the words evening and morning (Which defines a 24 hour day).

If the six days of creation were not marked by an evening and morning, then I could maybe see you allegorizing them. But an evening and morning defining each day tells us that this is a 24 hour day. If this was not the case, then you would not be able to be on time to work, or at a doctor's appointment. You don't say to you to your doctor that you thought he was speaking metaphorically about the days and that is why you missed your appointment. Something is literal unless there is an indication in the text that suggests otherwise.

How can you have evening and morning when there is no sun?
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I reckon the "Day of the Lord" (yome) which is near, will be eternal, but according to your way of thinking it will be 24 hours. Good luck with that and likewise with your view that the heaven, the earth, and all in it were created in 144 earth hours even when there was no sun.
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I also get that Christians can sometimes read the Bible with wooden literalism at times when it is speaking metaphorically. But the Bible defines these metaphors in some way. Take for example the story of Noah and Ham. Many miss the metaphors in this story and misinterpret what is really going on.

Biblical Metaphors Shed Light on Ham's Sin in Noah's Tent.

But again, these metaphors are defined for us elsewhere by cross references in the Bible.
You really don't have a verse or passage that says that a day that is attached with an evening and a morning is clearly metaphorical elsewhere in the Bible.

 

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How can you have evening and morning when there is no sun?
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Did you forget that God created light on day 1?

 

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Anyways, I gotta run and do other things.

May you blessed in the Lord today.

 

[1an]

Did you forget that God created light on day 1?

Not from the sun.

 

[1an]

Anyways, I gotta run and do other things.

May you blessed in the Lord today.

I haven't finished with you. Near where I live, and I live in the middle of England, as far away from the sea coast as it is possible to get, and a short distance away from where I live, is a mountain with sea shells on the top. Do you know how long it takes for the sea bed to rise up from the sea and form a mountain? No neither do I, but I do know it takes millions of years.

Begone with your fairy stories.

All of that was under the sea millions of years ago and now it is one of the highest peaks in the Peak District.
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[1an]

You see these rocks. They came from Scotland carried down in the last ice-age. The ice was about a mile thick. When the ice melted it deposited the rocks there. People come from miles around to climb them. Again, we need to talk in millions of years.
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[nolidad]

Just because we are not told to do something does not mean God wants us to do that particular thing.

But you seem to think that you have the authority to tell believers what they should or should not when God hasn't prohibited it.

So I take it you are against sytematic teaching of doctrine as well? After all teachers like me are not focusing on teh gospel when I am teaching say pneumatology or Christology or anthropology or Israelology.

YOu are free to think what you wish- but it is sad you besmirch scientists who report on their research to teach Christioan and non Christian alike the truth about the universe and do it in a systematic and scientific way!

 

[nolidad]

I haven't finished with you. Near where I live, and I live in the middle of England, as far away from the sea coast as it is possible to get, and a short distance away from where I live, is a mountain with sea shells on the top. Do you know how long it takes for the sea bed to rise up from the sea and form a mountain? No neither do I, but I do know it takes millions of years.

Begone with your fairy stories.

All of that was under the sea millions of years ago and now it is one of the highest peaks in the Peak District.
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Do you know how long it would take a torrential global flood to deposit shells on land that was then raised up to keep teh flood waters from crossing again ? Just a couple of years!

They have studied flloods locally and found carcasses of fish up mountain sides where the flood flowed up to! Lousy way of presenting evidence.

 

[nolidad]

You see these rocks. They came from Scotland carried down in the last ice-age. The ice was about a mile thick. When the ice melted it deposited the rocks there. People come from miles around to climb them. Again, we need to talk in millions of years.
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Well as there was only one ice age- that happened shortly after teh NOahic flood that would be false.

 

[nolidad]

It is different if a person works at a regular job to provide for themselvses and their family. But when a person joins a Christian group, they are saying that this is the way of God because they identify as a ministry. Their ministry message is not primarily Jesus Christ. It is Young Earth Creationism. Their thrust and focus is primarily Young Earth Creationism and it is 5% to 10% Jesus. Jesus does not want us to give Him only 5% or 10% of the glory in our ministry of Him. Jesus wants us to focus on Him 100% and to minister to others with 100% of our lives. For I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me.

They do not claim to be an evangelical ministry. They do claim to be a Creation science research minitry that also shares the gospel liberally.

So are you saying that every ministry has to first and foremost be evangleical?

How do you know it is opnly 5-10%? did you read all their works on teh web, look at all the seminars they conducted and then find out how often they referred to jesus in all of them? Or are you just spitballing a figure!

So working as a creation scientist is not a regular job? And yes they are defending teh accuracy of teh Bible and glorify God with their work! By tearing dsown strongholds that have ensnared teh world and many believers! They just don't meet your arbitrary8 % of how much direct evangelism they must do according to you!.

 

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But you seem to think that you have the authority to tell believers what they should or should not when God hasn't prohibited it.

So I take it you are against sytematic teaching of doctrine as well? After all teachers like me are not focusing on teh gospel when I am teaching say pneumatology or Christology or anthropology or Israelology.

YOu are free to think what you wish- but it is sad you besmirch scientists who report on their research to teach Christioan and non Christian alike the truth about the universe and do it in a systematic and scientific way!

I have no problem with systematic theology or teaching other topics like Young Earth Creationism (YEC). The point of where it becomes wrong in my view is when a person or group makes YEC the main focus or thrust of their ministry. When I go to the website of Answers in Genesis, I am led to the impression that the Earth being young is the most important thing to know about the faith when it is not. While it has it's relevance, it is not the main focus of our ministry. Jesus is the reason and focus of our ministry; It's not YEC.

 

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They do not claim to be an evangelical ministry.

From their own website:

“The international outreach of Answers in Genesis is solely focused on supporting the global mission of the church by equipping Christians around the world in Creation apologetics and evangelism.”​

Source:
International Outreach

They do claim to be a Creation science research minitry that also shares the gospel liberally.

So are you saying that every ministry has to first and foremost be evangleical?

“...do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.” (2 Timothy 4:5).

How do you know it is opnly 5-10%? did you read all their works on teh web, look at all the seminars they conducted and then find out how often they referred to jesus in all of them? Or are you just spitballing a figure!

I have read a good number of their articles, and watched their videos over the years. I also watched the Creation Today Show (Another creation ministry) a long while back, as well. There are times where Jesus is not always mentioned. The focus is YEC and not Jesus.

So working as a creation scientist is not a regular job?

It isn't a secular job because it involves the Bible. The Bible is how we get our faith (Romans 10:17).

And yes they are defending teh accuracy of teh Bible and glorify God with their work! By tearing dsown strongholds that have ensnared teh world and many believers! They just don't meet your arbitrary8 % of how much direct evangelism they must do according to you!.

They are not going to be held accountable to me by any means. But if I am correct on my understanding on God's Word, the Lord will hold them accountable, just as I will be held accountable. Nobody can escape the Judgment.

 

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Not from the sun.

Yeah, I didn't say it was from the sun.

 

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I haven't finished with you. Near where I live, and I live in the middle of England, as far away from the sea coast as it is possible to get, and a short distance away from where I live, is a mountain with sea shells on the top. Do you know how long it takes for the sea bed to rise up from the sea and form a mountain? No neither do I, but I do know it takes millions of years.

Begone with your fairy stories.

All of that was under the sea millions of years ago and now it is one of the highest peaks in the Peak District.
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Do you have a time machine? Can you prove the Earth is millions of years? No. Your starting point is millions of years but you got no proof that this is true. You are repeating the same lie that teachers fed you when you were a kid. They told you millions of years so many times and so it must be true because they said it enough over, and over. It's called conditioning. I believe the Bible and it does not mention that the Earth is millions of years old. If I am to take the Bible at face value, I will come away believing the Earth is young and not old.

 

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You see these rocks. They came from Scotland carried down in the last ice-age. The ice was about a mile thick. When the ice melted it deposited the rocks there. People come from miles around to climb them. Again, we need to talk in millions of years.
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How do you know these rocks are millions of years old?
Where you there millions of years ago?

 

[1an]

Do you know how long it would take a torrential global flood to deposit shells on land that was then raised up to keep teh flood waters from crossing again ? Just a couple of years!

They have studied flloods locally and found carcasses of fish up mountain sides where the flood flowed up to! Lousy way of presenting evidence.

There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's history (the Huronian, Cryogenian, Andean-Saharan, late Paleozoic, and the latest Quaternary Ice Age). Outside these ages, the Earth seems to have been ice free even in high latitudes; such periods are known as greenhouse periods.

Rocks from the earliest well-established ice age, called the Huronian, have been dated to around 2.4 to 2.1 Ga (billion years) ago during the early Proterozoic Eon. Several hundreds of kilometers of the Huronian Supergroup are exposed 10 to 100 kilometers (6.2 to 62.1 mi) north of the north shore of Lake Huron, extending from near Sault Ste. Marie to Sudbury, northeast of Lake Huron, with giant layers of now-lithified till beds, dropstones, varves, outwash, and scoured basement rocks. Correlative Huronian deposits have been found near Marquette, Michigan, and correlation has been made with Paleoproterozoic glacial deposits from Western Australia. The Huronian ice age was caused by the elimination of atmospheric methane, a greenhouse gas, during the Great Oxygenation Event.

Ice age - Wikipedia

 

[1an]

How do you know these rocks are millions of years old?
Where you there millions of years ago?

How do I know these rocks are millions of years old? Well, I do know the earth and all in it were not created in 144 earth hours as you would like us to believe. I also know because God told me, "I created the earth and all in it, not in six rotations of the sun around the earth, which is how you calculate time, and which I created especially for you, but I created the earth from the beginning of eternity, in six of my heavenly days, where I am now, and where after all this time, I am still preparing a place for those who believe the truth.
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[1an]

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