The Mark of the Beast

[WhoIsLikeGod?]

So any one with a smart phone will have their name removed from the Lamb's book of life?

God puts the mark on this wicked group of Satan worshippers and removes their name from the Lamb's book of life.

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Let me turn this question around and point out a flaw in your logic: so anyone with a microchip implant, or tattoo, or vaccine, or whatever else you think the mark of the beast is, will have their name removed from the Lamb's book of life? Can you see how, no matter what the mark of the beast will be, it will be desirable to some people, and possibly even seem innocent?

Revelation 13 says the beast (kingdom) from the earth will have two horns (kings) like a lamb: "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon."

Lambs are useful and innocent. Right hands, in which the mark rest, are dominantly used for all sorts of utilities. Smartphones have all sorts of apps.

I'm not saying anyone with a smartphone will have their name removed. Revelation is nearly a 2,000-year-old prophecy, and it prophesies the future. What I'm saying about smartphones has not come to pass yet: the antichrist has not been revealed, yet, and they have not made an image of him, yet. What I AM saying is that the technology exists to turn smartphones into the mark of the beast. I'm sure you've heard of the surveillance state and how it's enabled by mobile devices.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm willing to go to war against a president who says I can't buy or sell unless I have the World Wide Web on my smartphone. Why? Because I take the Bible literally for its word.

 

[Hazelelponi]

For some time I have believed that the mark of the Beast is not some kind of implant but more a political/social pressure to conform to whatever social fad Satan's puppets decide to impose. Those who subscribe to the Biblical view of Christianity clash with the PC, "don't you think?", pro gay, pro abortion, hyper feminist and leftist Nazi types. Or least, we should clash with such and anyone else who is trying to silence those who want to preach the gospel.

The latest, and to me, most troubling, is the blackmail being imposed on those who refuse to get a COVID injection. I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I object to being told that I can't fly if I've not had a shot. Some state governments in Australia want to give businesses the right to refuse to deal with unvaccinated people or allow them to work for the business. Since some of the vaccines are only 50% effective, it is hardly a public health issue.

It seems apparent to me that this is another step towards total control of the population by the state. The state is increasingly Satan's puppet. It has always been so to a degree, but we've enjoyed quite a degree of personal autonomy, at least in the Western world, for as long as most people can remember. Now laws are being introduced that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would approve of. Worst of all, there is not a great deal of dissent from Mr Average.

It's time for Christians to pray against such laws and not sit back and let the state suppress the Church. If we do not, we will be forced underground. I very much enjoy my present way of life. If we want to keep it, we must fight for it, not with guns, but with the Living Word of God and against the real enemy - Satan and his forces.

We just need to really pray. We don't want to go into crazy conspiracy theory land, and we want to be certain our beliefs are sound and in accordance with Scripture...

But it is difficult not to agree...

right now the left, over on my side of the pond, seems to think they are at war with us, got as much military in DC as we had in Iraq at the height of the war for goodness sakes.

In the end, all we can do is deal with each situation the best we can as Christians, knowing that God's already won the only battle that matters...

 

[Aussie Pete]

Absolutely. And if the Church goes to war against the real enemy, Satan, society as a whole would greatly benefit.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Absolutely. And if the Church goes to war against the real enemy, Satan, society as a whole would greatly benefit.

"Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." Ephesians 6:17.

Notice, first, the sword you are to take is the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. That is our first head; and the second is equally upon the surface of the text: This sword is to be ours. We are ordered to take the sword of the Spirit, and so make it our own sword.

I. First, the Word of God which is to be our one weapon is of noble origin; for IT IS "THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT." It has the properties of a sword, and those were given it by the Spirit of God.

Here we note that the Holy Spirit has a sword. He is quiet as the dew, tender as the anointing oil, soft as the zephyr of eventide, and peaceful as a dove; and yet, under another aspect, he wields a deadly weapon. He is the Spirit of judgment and the Spirit of burning, and he beareth not the sword in vain. Of him it may be said, "The Lord is a man of war: Jehovah is his name."

The Word of God in the hand of the Spirit wounds very terribly, and makes the heart of man to bleed. Do you not remember, some of you, when you used to be gashed with this sword Sunday after Sunday? Were you not cut to the heart by it, so as to be angry with it? You almost made up your mind to turnaway from hearing the gospel again. That sword pursued you, and pierced you in the secrets of your soul, and made you bleed in a thousand places. At last you were "pricked in the heart", which is a far better thing than being "cut to the heart"; and then execution was done, indeed. That wound was deadly, and none but he that killed could make you alive. Do you recollect how, after this, your sins were slain one after another? Their necks were laid on the block, and the Spirit acted as an executioner with his sword. After that, blessed be God, your fears, and doubts, and despair, and unbelief, were also hacked to pieces by this same sword. The Word gave you life; but it was at the first a great killer. Your soul was like a battle-field after a great fight, under the first operations of the divine Spirit, whose sword returneth not empty from the conflict.

Beloved, the Spirit of God has war with the Amalek of evil and error from generation to generation. He will spare none of the evils which now pollute the nations; his sword will never be quiet till all these Canaanites are destroyed. The Holy Spirit glorifies Christ not only by what he reveals, but also by what he overturns. The strife may be weary, but it will be carried on from age to age, till the Lord Jesus shall appear; for ever shall the Spirit of God espouse the cause of love against hate, of truth against error, of holiness against sin, of Christ against Satan. He will win the day, and those who are with him shall in his might be more than conquerors. The Holy Spirit has proclaimed war, and wields a two-edged sword.

The Sword of the Spirit by C. H. Spurgeon

We always wield the sword, ready for battle!

 

[FutureAndAHope]

For some time I have believed that the mark of the Beast is not some kind of implant but more a political/social pressure to conform to whatever social fad Satan's puppets decide to impose. Those who subscribe to the Biblical view of Christianity clash with the PC, "don't you think?", pro gay, pro abortion, hyper feminist and leftist Nazi types. Or least, we should clash with such and anyone else who is trying to silence those who want to preach the gospel.

I agree that the mark of the beast will incorporate political/social pressure, but it will probably be an actual mark, as the bible says it will be in the hand and forehead, both real bodily locations. He will be a man, showing signs and wonders, he will say he is God, and I believe this "god" will agree with the anti-Christ agenda. The average joe, will not care, for he will not change their lives, their lives will go on as normal. It will only be those who are pro-Christ, who push against the worldly agenda that will suffer.

It's time for Christians to pray against such laws and not sit back and let the state suppress the Church. If we do not, we will be forced underground. I very much enjoy my present way of life. If we want to keep it, we must fight for it, not with guns, but with the Living Word of God and against the real enemy - Satan and his forces.

I can identify with this. We need to pray.

 

[Andrewn]

I say that it is a part of the "boiling frog" undermining of personal freedoms that the Western world takes for granted. Governments are increasingly authoritarian.

OK, even if we assume that your government is increasingly authoritarian and is coming to get you, how's this related to Covid vaccine? If you reject vaccination, you may not be able to travel overseas, but you'll still be able to buy and sell.

 

[Glorytothefather2245]

For some time I have believed that the mark of the Beast is not some kind of implant but more a political/social pressure to conform to whatever social fad Satan's puppets decide to impose. Those who subscribe to the Biblical view of Christianity clash with the PC, "don't you think?", pro gay, pro abortion, hyper feminist and leftist Nazi types. Or least, we should clash with such and anyone else who is trying to silence those who want to preach the gospel.

The latest, and to me, most troubling, is the blackmail being imposed on those who refuse to get a COVID injection. I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I object to being told that I can't fly if I've not had a shot. Some state governments in Australia want to give businesses the right to refuse to deal with unvaccinated people or allow them to work for the business. Since some of the vaccines are only 50% effective, it is hardly a public health issue.

It seems apparent to me that this is another step towards total control of the population by the state. The state is increasingly Satan's puppet. It has always been so to a degree, but we've enjoyed quite a degree of personal autonomy, at least in the Western world, for as long as most people can remember. Now laws are being introduced that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would approve of. Worst of all, there is not a great deal of dissent from Mr Average.

It's time for Christians to pray against such laws and not sit back and let the state suppress the Church. If we do not, we will be forced underground. I very much enjoy my present way of life. If we want to keep it, we must fight for it, not with guns, but with the Living Word of God and against the real enemy - Satan and his forces.

The mark of the beast is already here. The Bible talks about a mark on your right hand or forehead, but it also talks about having his name or his number. The vaccine has aborted baby fetal cell tissues in it and it also changes your DNA it's not just a normal vaccine. We were created in the image of God if we change our DNA around we no longer belong to God. The vaccine is being used for transhumanism so they can then later hook you up to AI in which you will receive the mark on your right hand with all your financial and medical information and cash will no longer be a thing. Checkout Plan for Global Slavery. I can't give you the link to the video cause the video source is banned from here it blocks the URL

 

[FutureAndAHope]

OK, even if we assume that your government is increasingly authoritarian and is coming to get you, how's this related to Covid vaccine? If you reject vaccination, you may not be able to travel overseas, but you'll still be able to buy and sell.

Unfortunately, I live in Australia, they are currently bringing in laws that could potentially see true bible believers fined excessively or put in jail, all in the name of gay inclusion. The laws are designed in such a way that classing homosexuality as a "shortcoming", "or something that needs to be changed" could get you into trouble, and what is a sin a "shortcoming", and yes "it needs to be changed". So Pete may not be far off the money in that regard. They may truly be coming to get some of us sometime soon.

As for vaccinations I really don't care that much about them, I don't think there is anything inherently evil about them, but I can understand how forcing them on people could be taken badly.

 

[Dave L]

For some time I have believed that the mark of the Beast is not some kind of implant but more a political/social pressure to conform to whatever social fad Satan's puppets decide to impose. Those who subscribe to the Biblical view of Christianity clash with the PC, "don't you think?", pro gay, pro abortion, hyper feminist and leftist Nazi types. Or least, we should clash with such and anyone else who is trying to silence those who want to preach the gospel.

The latest, and to me, most troubling, is the blackmail being imposed on those who refuse to get a COVID injection. I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I object to being told that I can't fly if I've not had a shot. Some state governments in Australia want to give businesses the right to refuse to deal with unvaccinated people or allow them to work for the business. Since some of the vaccines are only 50% effective, it is hardly a public health issue.

It seems apparent to me that this is another step towards total control of the population by the state. The state is increasingly Satan's puppet. It has always been so to a degree, but we've enjoyed quite a degree of personal autonomy, at least in the Western world, for as long as most people can remember. Now laws are being introduced that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would approve of. Worst of all, there is not a great deal of dissent from Mr Average.

It's time for Christians to pray against such laws and not sit back and let the state suppress the Church. If we do not, we will be forced underground. I very much enjoy my present way of life. If we want to keep it, we must fight for it, not with guns, but with the Living Word of God and against the real enemy - Satan and his forces.

All Protestants believed the Papacy to be Antichrist. It's in many of the Protestant creeds. This shows they believed the "Mark" was a symbol for a spiritual mindset rather than something literal.

 

[Psalm 27]

It probably won't be an implant, since in order to make a transaction, you will need to input the direction of sales and an amount paid. If your "mark" is under your skin, that's a difficult feat. This is why I think implants are a decoy. In the state of Massachusetts, it's still legal to buy or sell a service (like mowing someone's lawn or shoveling some snow off a driveway) without paying taxes. So, for private person-to-person transactions, at least one person would need a "register (or mark)" with a user interface.

Plus, according to Quora, 0.0000013% of people in the world have implanted RFID chips.
What percentage of people have an RFID chip implanted in them at this moment? - Quora

But according to BankMyCell, 48.53% of the world’s population owns a smartphone.
1 Billion More Phones Than People In The World! BankMyCell

According to the same study, 79.10% of Americans own a smartphone.

And this makes sense. The Bible says, "And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16):" Many people confuse the meaning of the word "mark." In modern English, it sounds like a tattoo. However, it is an Old English word derived from the original Greek (that the New Testament was written in) "χάραγμα," meaning "thing carved, sculpture, or graven work."
G5480 - charagma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

People have had trouble with the number 666, too. For almost two millennia, people have been using gematria to reckon the number of the beast, and many people mistake this beast as the antichrist. First of all, gematria is derived from the Kabbalah, which is a discipline in Jewish mysticism. Mysticism and divination were prohibited in the Tanakh (Deu. 18:9–14). Secondly, the beast from the earth is not the antichrist. In actuality, it's a kingdom, not a person (Dan. 7:23), and it has two consecutive kings (Rev. 13:11). "The beast which was, and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction (Rev. 17:11)." THIS beast, the eighth king that is one of the seven (of the prior beast from the sea), is the antichrist.

The number 666 is not complicated. The sixth letter of the original Hebrew alphabet is "waw." It has a numerical value of 6, like the Roman numeral V is 5. So 666 is literally "WWW."

χξς (Greek) = 666 (English) = ווו (Paleo Hebrew) = WWW (English).

Waw (letter) - Wikipedia

What kingdom/age are we living in that is defined by WWW? The Bible says the number is that of a man. One man is credited with inventing the World Wide Web (WWW): Tim Berners-Lee, a British computer scientist (the reason the Greek is translated to English).
Tim Berners-Lee - Wikipedia

Now, a thing carved, sculpture, or graven work, with the World Wide Web on it, that will be used to buy and sell everything, in the right hand or in the forehead. Easy. Smartphones!

Having a mark on the forehead may or may not be literal. To unlock their bank accounts, people have been scanning their faces with the cameras on their phones. Our foreheads are almost constantly face-down into our smartphones. However, the forehead portion may be a sign as to where we hold our allegiance.

"You shall therefore take these words of mine to heart and to soul; and you shall tie them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets on your forehead (Deu. 11:18)."

"Do not harm the earth, or the sea, or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads (Rev. 7:3)."

Head of Libra Association: Libra Project May Be Useful for UN
Head of Libra Association: Libra project may be useful for UN - The Cryptocurrency Post

United Nations Pledges to Get Everyone Online… by 2030
United Nations pledges to get everyone online… by 2030

Guterres Underscores UN Role in Achieving a Free, Secure Internet
Guterres underscores UN role in achieving a free, secure Internet

Free Broadband: Internet Access is Now a Human Right, No Matter Who Pays the Bills
Free broadband: internet access is now a human right, no matter who pays the bills

Mark Zuckerberg’s Audacious Plan to Bring Free Internet to Billions of People All Around the World
Mark Zuckerberg's Audacious Plan To Bring Free Internet To Billions Of People All Around The World

I don't think the mark of the beast will be a vaccine because pandemics come and go. One hundred years ago, the Spanish flu hit the United States, and we only heard of it in history books. The powers that be will build the Information Age upon more concrete and lasting technology like smartphones, not a pandemic.

it’s obviously internet/smartphones.

Vaccine=Smokescreen?

 

[Aussie Pete]

All Protestants believed the Papacy to be Antichrist. It's in many of the Protestant creeds. This shows they believed the "Mark" was a symbol for a spiritual mindset rather than something literal.

Yes, starting with Luther. I can certainly understand why. I am not prophesying, but I'd not be surprised to see Catholicism and Islam merge. That would make life interesting, to say the least.

 

[Aussie Pete]

it’s obviously internet/smartphones.

Vaccine=Smokescreen?

More an undermining of personal liberties by stealth. It won't be mandatory, but life will be much harder if you do not get the shot. Air and maybe sea travel will be out of the question. Stores may refuse service and hospitals may refuse to treat you.

Internet/smartphones will be the enabling - as it is already. I'm 69 and I may well not live to see the Antichrist rise up. But I'm sure that the stage has been set.

 

[Dave L]

Yes, starting with Luther. I can certainly understand why. I am not prophesying, but I'd not be surprised to see Catholicism and Islam merge. That would make life interesting, to say the least.

I think Islam can become another Antichrist. But if you consider the Papal doctrines in every church through Christendom today, Antichrist remains seated in the temple of God even more so than before. It takes some study to uncover it but well worth it.

 

[Aussie Pete]

I think Islam can become another Antichrist. But if you consider the Papal doctrines in every church through Christendom today, Antichrist remains seated in the temple of God even more so than before. It takes some study to uncover it but well worth it.

There is a "church within the church" that has not swallowed the denominational rhetoric that is dead religion. I asked the Lord what was going on and He told me that He had reserved 7,000 who had not bowed down to Baal. I took this to be symbolic of the remnant that represents the real church. I'm working on a post about that.

 

[Dave L]

There is a "church within the church" that has not swallowed the denominational rhetoric that is dead religion. I asked the Lord what was going on and He told me that He had reserved 7,000 who had not bowed down to Baal. I took this to be symbolic of the remnant that represents the real church. I'm working on a post about that.

This is true even now. But Paul's man of sin remains until Christ's return when he destroys him with the brightness of his coming. Most are blind to Antchrist's presence today and Christ must reveal him according to Paul.

 

[Aussie Pete]

The mark of the beast is already here. The Bible talks about a mark on your right hand or forehead, but it also talks about having his name or his number. The vaccine has aborted baby fetal cell tissues in it and it also changes your DNA it's not just a normal vaccine. We were created in the image of God if we change our DNA around we no longer belong to God. The vaccine is being used for transhumanism so they can then later hook you up to AI in which you will receive the mark on your right hand with all your financial and medical information and cash will no longer be a thing. Checkout Plan for Global Slavery. I can't give you the link to the video cause the video source is banned from here it blocks the URL

I am not my body. I am a spirit being who has a soul. If my DNA changes, I do not. I don't go for conspiracy theories. People have been speculating for nearly 2,000 years. No one has yet proven to be correct. I have my own theories. We will find out soon enough. I won't have the injection for two reasons. First, I'll not be bullied into something that is not mandatory by law. Second, I reacted badly to my last flu shot, about 30 years ago.

"The vaccine". There are several. Which one are you referring to?

 

[Aussie Pete]

OK, even if we assume that your government is increasingly authoritarian and is coming to get you, how's this related to Covid vaccine? If you reject vaccination, you may not be able to travel overseas, but you'll still be able to buy and sell.

Not necessarily. Legislation is proposed that will permit businesses to refuse entry to people who have not been vaccinated. Qantas has already flagged that it will not take passengers who've not had the shot. I won't fly with them anyway so it does not bother me. But if every airline adopts the same policy, I'll be going nowhere by air. Australia is a huge place. Air travel is by far the most convenient way of getting around. Restrictions on public transport? Cinemas? Hospital treatment? Universities? How about a business owner forced to advertise whether or not he's been injected That would hinder his right to sell product or operate his business.

The vaccine is not the mark of the beast, as far as I can tell. However, it is softening people up to accept the mark.

 

[Andrewn]

 

[Psalm 27]

More an undermining of personal liberties by stealth. It won't be mandatory, but life will be much harder if you do not get the shot. Air and maybe sea travel will be out of the question. Stores may refuse service and hospitals may refuse to treat you.

Internet/smartphones will be the enabling - as it is already. I'm 69 and I may well not live to see the Antichrist rise up. But I'm sure that the stage has been set.

The vaccine is suspect imho.
The whole virus is suspect. I read a comment that said ‘control is witchcraft’. There’s an awful lot of govt controlling going on

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Are you saying that smartphones are the mark of the beast?

Only Apple products! (I won't spend $1000 for a cellphone)