Wait...I keep getting told there was no fraud

[Belk]

Define probable cause

Probable Cause

Probable cause is a requirement found in the Fourth Amendment that must usually be met before police make an arrest, conduct a search, or receive a warrant. Courts usually find probable cause when there is a reasonable basis for believing that a crime may have been committed (for an arrest) or when evidence of the crime is present in the place to be searched (for a search). Under exigent circumstances, probable cause can also justify a warrantless search or seizure. Persons arrested without a warrant are required to be brought before a competent authority shortly after the arrest for a prompt judicial determination of probable cause.

 

[durangodawood]

Ah the old I'm old excuse.

Well I would solemnly affirm that "of the world" appears on the album version. If I'm wrong then I'm old will be my excuse.

Yep:

"of the world" is sung on the album version. We all knew this...except that one person @Pommer .

 

[timothyu]

due to coronavirus protocols

Interesting how many changes and losses of freedom linked to a reset, have been linked to the virus. A shame the cause of so much pain and damage can be taken advantage of and accepted.

 

[Speedwell]

Define probable cause

When facts and circumstances known provide the basis for a reasonable person to believe that a crime was committed at the place to be searched, or that evidence of a crime exists at the location.

 

[timothyu]

when there is a reasonable basis for believing that a crime may have been committed

Ok so how does the software complained about by both parties not fit in and warrant investigation? Could what was once a bi-partisan concern have suddenly gone partisan?

 

[JohnDB]

Where are you getting this from ?



Overwhelming majority of Trump Supporters.

There were some polls put up by one of the many Dems on this site that showed all of this over a month ago...
Yes something like 80% of Republicans believed that fraud got Biden elected but it was the 35% of Democrats that believed it that was really shocking.

 

[Speedwell]

Interesting how many changes and losses of freedom linked to a reset, have been linked to the virus. A shame the cause of so much pain and damage can be taken advantage of and accepted.

Here you go:

Conspiracy Theories

The American Politics forum is about reality.

 

[JohnDB]

Here ya go...

Those who don't believe that Election Tampering exists...not many!

Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair

 

[SimplyMe]

Ok so how does the software complained about by both parties not fit in and warrant investigation? Could what was once a bi-partisan concern have suddenly gone partisan?

The software is still considered an issue by both parties, precisely because of the vulnerabilities. At the same time, because the vulnerabilities are known, election officials, Homeland Security, and observers know what to watch for -- and specifically were monitoring to ensure that the software was not tampered with. It was Homeland Security (led by Trump appointees, and the Department is part of Trump's administration) who had some of the primary responsibility to ensure the election machines remained in proper order and were not tampered with or hacked, and they stated this was the most secure election ever.

In many ways, a good analogy is your smart phone, home computer or home network. We know that there are issues, that they can be easily compromised or hacked. Because of this, we take steps to ensure they remain secure and keep watch to try and ensure they aren't hacked (or at least, everyone should). So, just like you continue to use your smartphone, home computer, and home network, despite knowing there are multiple vulnerabilities, the various states do the same with the machines. While we use the machines and work to protect ourselves from software and hardware issues, and keep using them; at the same time, it doesn't stop us from encouraging the various software and hardware companies to better secure the products they make so that we are better protected.

 

[timothyu]

Here you go:

Here you go yourself. Falling back on that nonsense when it is obvious how many things have changed over the year compliments of the virus, how many restrictions have been put in place, and how many of them have had obvious political and business advantage. That is reality, not theory. I guess it was just dumb luck for just one instance that Besos made an extra 70 billion last year because the pandemic lead governments to close small business. Parasites that seem to have governmental support because the governments are parasites of the parasites. It's a funny old circle they live in isn't it.

 

[timothyu]

The software is still considered an issue by both parties, precisely because of the vulnerabilities

Then why block their forensic study?

 

[Speedwell]

Then why block their forensic study?

It's all part of the Great Reset Conspiracy.

 

[durangodawood]

Ok so how does the software complained about by both parties not fit in and warrant investigation? Could what was once a bi-partisan concern have suddenly gone partisan?

I thought there have been a bunch of hand recounts here and there, which so far havent revealed any machine counting problems this go round.

 

[Speedwell]

I thought there have been a bunch of hand recounts here and there, which so far havent revealed any machine counting problems this go round.

The software has been looked into as well--In Georgia, for example, the Secretary of State retained an outside lab to conduct an audit of the software. But our conspiracy theorists seem to pay more attention to claims than findings.

 

[adrianmonk]

There were some polls put up by one of the many Dems on this site that showed all of this over a month ago...
Yes something like 80% of Republicans believed that fraud got Biden elected but it was the 35% of Democrats that believed it that was really shocking.

If it is on this site, can you point to the poll ? I am curious as to how you reached your determination that 35% of democrats believed that this election was fraudulent.

 

[Belk]

Ok so how does the software complained about by both parties not fit in and warrant investigation? Could what was once a bi-partisan concern have suddenly gone partisan?

Several reasons. Simply Me gave you a good answer but here is mine

1) The software was already examined and vetted by the US elections commission.
2) Subsequent comparisons in the recounts showed no anomalies.

There is no reason to think the software was an issue, so no reasonable basis for a crime.

 

[timothyu]

It's all part of the Great Reset Conspiracy.

How so? Insuring a agreeably puppet government to the global agenda? Maybe you are right.

 

[timothyu]

1) The software was already examined and vetted by the US elections commission.
2) Subsequent comparisons in the recounts showed no anomalies.

1) Yet both parties mistrusted the software
2) Comparisons were comparing data after the fact, data possibly already manipulated. This was the complaint of both parties over the last 18 years.

I print a picture and compare it to what is on my computer screen. Perfect match. Yet I previously manipulated the image to create both digital and print image.

 

[JohnDB]

If it is on this site, can you point to the poll ? I am curious as to how you reached your determination that 35% of democrats believed that this election was fraudulent.

Found it...
Poll: 70 percent of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair

 

[JohnDB]

And for the record...
I got donuts proofing in the laundry room (warm place) and when they are done I'm going to fry them and eat them.