Trump impeached *again*.

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By definition, he is impeached. That is what the house did today. Alan is wrong. Since the senate won't hold a trial until after the 20th, he cannot be removed from office. Different thing.
I am not a lawyer, but if the Senate convenes and convicts him after he leaves office, he might lose his Federal retirement pension, Secret Service protection for life, Presidential library, etc.
 
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Good. Now it's up to the Senate to make the right call, and prevent Trump from ever holding public office again.

I've been reading that the "can't hold office again" is disputed among various constitutional scholars, in terms of both the procedure, as well as whether or not it could pass supreme court rulings (as it would almost certainly be challenged)

Explainer: Can lawmakers use impeachment to bar Trump from holding office again?

Would impeachment prevent Trump from seeking office in the future? It’s complicated.


The particular section they're trying to invoke (Section 3 of the 14th amendment), hasn't ever been used against a president...and in fact, has only been used once since the reconstruction era, and was largely included for a very specific scenario within the reconstruction era, when they were trying to limit the influence of former members of the confederacy.


“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”


The dangerous part about using this as a means to "smite one's enemies", is that it could end up setting a bad precedent.

Invoking this particular section only requires a simple majority in both houses, and doesn't have to even be a person who's currently holding an office.

Where it becomes particularly dangerous, when one considers the implication that if it becomes "too easy" to invoke this to "get someone out of the way", you can basically sabotage future elections... and as soon as one party has a majority in both houses, they can simply keep invoking it to remove opposing candidates so that they never lose their seats, and that they basically do a hail mary play if it looks like their candidate isn't going to win a presidential election.

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Party A has 51% of the senate and the house.

Any time someone from Party B challenges them for any of their seats, they can simply toss out the accusation, and as long as their fellow party members get on board with the plan and pass it with a simple majority, their opposing candidate is officially disqualified.


It's one of those measures that sounds tempting...but I would say tread carefully, because if it becomes to easy/convenient to invoke, that's how a nation ends up with one-party rule.

All it would take is the party with party with the current majority to redefine what "give comfort to the enemies of the united states" means in their own favor, and then just start eliminating every potential opposition that comes their way by invoking it.
 
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he might lose his Federal retirement pension

Not sure that's much of a deterrent for him...

Secret Service protection for life

I'm sure he can hire private security on his net worth...

Presidential library

I'm sure people can find somewhere else to get coloring books and "The Art of the Deal" audio books...


The real punishment in all this is the blow it'll deal to his massive ego.
 
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JohnDB has forgotten that Trump was impeached once before, without being removed from office - because the Senate did not convict him.

Would it help to suggest some synonyms: reprehend; chide; admonish;reprove; rebuke; impugn?

Trump has been impeached.

The Epoch Times has misled you, JohnDB.
 
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No worries. Probably won't make a difference one way or another after he gets indicted for various crimes after he leaves office.

My guess is trump will either end up in jail or skip the country to avoid prison time (but NOT to Scotland, he's not welcome there).

I'll bet he's welcome in Russia. Putin must be thrilled at the damage he's managed to do to our Republic in four short years. We've never been so divided.
 
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I am not a lawyer, but if the Senate convenes and convicts him after he leaves office, he might lose his Federal retirement pension, Secret Service protection for life, Presidential library, etc.

Ya, I think that's probably the only useful thing that might come from this impeachment, and even that's a long shot.
 
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I'll bet he's welcome in Russia. Putin must be thrilled at the damage he's managed to do to our Republic in four short years. We've never been so divided.
I don't know about Russia. trump has been a useful idiot for Putin, but trump may be more trouble than he's worth. Putin is old KGB, and I would bet he think's trump is a political liability that is better being somebody else's problem.
 
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By definition, he is impeached. That is what the house did today. Alan is wrong. Since the senate won't hold a trial until after the 20th, he cannot be removed from office. Different thing.
True after the 20th Trump can’t be removed from office but the office can be removed from him>running for another term or from receiving any subsequent benefits from his initial term.
 
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I don't know about Russia. trump has been a useful idiot for Putin, but trump may be more trouble than he's worth. Putin is old KGB, and I would bet he think's trump is a political liability that is better being somebody else's problem.

You're probably right.
 
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So...
If what you are saying is true can we go back and impeach any private citizen?
If it was true they never would have stopped Nixon's.

They voted to impeach before he left office. No private citizen can be impeached. This is a first, only time will tell the outcome. I'm not holding my breath. Slimy Donny has always gotten away with everything--never has had to pay the consequences---that is why this is such a big mess---he's a great, big, orange toddler.
 
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Not sure that's much of a deterrent for him...



I'm sure he can hire private security on his net worth...



I'm sure people can find somewhere else to get coloring books and "The Art of the Deal" audio books...


The real punishment in all this is the blow it'll deal to his massive ego.


He may not be worth as much as he has let on---he also has many lawsuits coming up, loosing just one would put a big hole in his finances, as well as loosing the POGA tournament money, and he has millions and millions due to bank loans coming due---but he'll probably do what he has always done with his bills---just not pay them and file bankruptcy on e more time--that'll be how many times now---7? But you're right---all of this is a massive blow to his ego and just for that alone---the impeachment is worth it, no matter how it all turns out as the vote to impeach was agreed on before he left office---he will forever stand as the only President impeached twice. No way he can keep on boasting that he was the greatest President this country has ever seen. Everything he does he says is the greatest thing.
 
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He may not be worth as much as he has let on---he also has many lawsuits coming up, loosing just one would put a big hole in his finances, as well as loosing the POGA tournament money, and he has millions and millions due to bank loans coming due---but he'll probably do what he has always done with his bills---just not pay them and file bankruptcy on e more time--that'll be how many times now---7? But you're right---all of this is a massive blow to his ego and just for that alone---the impeachment is worth it, no matter how it all turns out as the vote to impeach was agreed on before he left office---he will forever stand as the only President impeached twice. No way he can keep on boasting that he was the greatest President this country has ever seen. Everything he does he says is the greatest thing.

Actually Trump is personally on the hook for the 340 million dollars worth of Deutsche Bank loans coming due in a few years and the bank seems to want to cut ties with him, so I doubt they're going to want to help him refinance the loans.

Trump Will Have $900 Million Of Loans Coming Due In His Second Term If He’s Reelected
 
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But I thought that the mantra was that Trump only paid a couple hundred in taxes...

Can someone please start telling the truth!

How do you think Trump ends up paying less in federal income taxes than most middle class Americans?
 
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