My daughter came out and told me she wants to be a boy ...

[Jetma1572]

Have you talked about why with her?

A friend of mine's sister actually decided she wanted to be a man after she had gotten married. One of the major events of their family background was coming out of a cult that preached nasty things about women. I wonder if that's an underlying cause for her.

The main thing to look out for is signs of suicide. There is a very high rate of suicide among people with this kind of confusion.

I heard about the suicide rate being high on this I'm trying to approach this very gracefully while telling her my and my husband values I'm not exactly sure where this came from she said she just wants us to have her dress up in dresses and we don't accept her which I have no idea where this came from because we never pushed dresses or even cared about that She knows I'm definitely not a dress person so I have no idea where this is coming from I'm hoping though that she has a change of mind and just goes back to being her but I'm not sure I can only pray and seek advice on what i can do to help and love her but also not support her decision because I really do believe I'd be conforming to the world and disobeying God if I did

 

[coffee4u]

I never thought of it like this and I agree that both are linking somehow too from what my understanding about what she told me about the eating disorder was because she thought she was ugly and overweight when she looked in the mirror she was in the hospital for this for several months last year and struggled quite a bit. I also agree with you with her mind wanting to fix and have control , she might be doing this because of the lack of control of how she personally feels about herself I'm definitely going to loo deeper into this and try to see why and also to be there for her in the sense of showing her Love and a lot of it . thanks so much for your reply and yes I think I might of added this to the wrong thread I'm new to this and wasn't sure if it was here I could write it or another thread I tried to in the mental health section but for some reason it wouldn't allow me to add a post

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[Sketcher]

I heard about the suicide rate being high on this I'm trying to approach this very gracefully while telling her my and my husband values I'm not exactly sure where this came from she said she just wants us to have her dress up in dresses and we don't accept her which I have no idea where this came from because we never pushed dresses or even cared about that She knows I'm definitely not a dress person so I have no idea where this is coming from I'm hoping though that she has a change of mind and just goes back to being her but I'm not sure I can only pray and seek advice on what i can do to help and love her but also not support her decision because I really do believe I'd be conforming to the world and disobeying God if I did

First of all, know your parental rights. If it's possible to keep her away from puberty blockers, hormonal treatments, surgeries, etc until she's a legal adult, I think that's one of the boundaries that you need to put in place.

Also, is there anything she believes women can't do? If so, I wonder if that's contributing.

I really don't have more suggestions than that, and you should not consider my advice anywhere close to all the advice you will need.

 

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[SeekingGloryOnThisJourney]

My Oldest daughter has struggled with an eating disorder for the last year and was recently diagnosed with autism this past summer . she regularly sees mental health in our town for the past year , she is 15 years old. About a week ago at one of her appointments she came out and told me she wants to be a boy and be called Elliott before this I wouldn't of even guessed she would want to be a boy she never dressed or desired to and she wasn't a dress kind of girl but she was just her normal self to me . I don't want to sound awful and say she is doing this for attention but i was told that this famous person came out in the news and calls herself Elliott too I'm not sure if it is connected somehow . I love my daughter no matter what I told her this I told her that I believe God made us in his image for a reason and purpose ultimately I told her its her choice but I don't like it or agree with it , I also told her she's always my little girl to my husband and I and we are not ready to call her what she desires to be called and part of that is because I feel like if I do even if I don't agree with it that ill be conforming to the pattern of the world view and as a Christian I just cant do that . to me its like id be deny God and going with it being ok in the worlds eyes and what I have a extremely hard time with is in the eyes of mental health and in the school systems and basically everywhere else its really accepted and a lot of people are making me feel really bad for not just accepting this is the way it is . I'm having such a hard time accepting this I love my daughter with all my heart and will continue to but in my home and I just can't be ready to accept she's a boy yet I'm not sure how to handle this my husband is feeling so lost too I have 2 other kids that are also confused about all this my 10 yr old and my 7 yr old my oldest keeps telling them to call her Elliott and she wont answer them if they don't she also wont answer us either its got to the point where she gets extremely upset if we accidently say she or call her by her birth name. she threatens to run away. a lot of people are telling us to love her though this and we are definitely going too just I don't know what else to do to make it feel like we all are not walking on egg shells and I'm not sure what direction to go. Am I doing the right thing to not follow the world and the views of the world or do I just accept calling her what she wants to be called and make her happy I feel like then Id be dishonoring God and not putting him first .

You’re daughter and I are both “zoomers”. (7-23 yo.)
My sister is believing that she is bi due to inappropriate content exposure.
Are you monitoring what she’s doing online? It’s extremely easy to fall into this specific thing because of what happens online.
Example: Instagram.
Whether it be her/“his” friends posting stories on LGBT rights, (my friends do this a LOT)
To saying how persecuted in the USA on their feed, to making fun of Christians saying why LGBT is “right”.
YouTube as well, it gets snuck in there.
This influenced me as well when I was younger- I thought I was bi due to exposure.
The internet can influence kids these days EXTREMELY easily, even if it looks/is innocent.
I do have a feeling Elliot Page has something to do with this as I’ve noticed a ton of posts about them.

 

[DiscipleHeLovesToo]

My Oldest daughter has struggled with an eating disorder for the last year and was recently diagnosed with autism this past summer . she regularly sees mental health in our town for the past year , she is 15 years old. About a week ago at one of her appointments she came out and told me she wants to be a boy and be called Elliott before this I wouldn't of even guessed she would want to be a boy she never dressed or desired to and she wasn't a dress kind of girl but she was just her normal self to me . I don't want to sound awful and say she is doing this for attention but i was told that this famous person came out in the news and calls herself Elliott too I'm not sure if it is connected somehow . I love my daughter no matter what I told her this I told her that I believe God made us in his image for a reason and purpose ultimately I told her its her choice but I don't like it or agree with it , I also told her she's always my little girl to my husband and I and we are not ready to call her what she desires to be called and part of that is because I feel like if I do even if I don't agree with it that ill be conforming to the pattern of the world view and as a Christian I just cant do that . to me its like id be deny God and going with it being ok in the worlds eyes and what I have a extremely hard time with is in the eyes of mental health and in the school systems and basically everywhere else its really accepted and a lot of people are making me feel really bad for not just accepting this is the way it is . I'm having such a hard time accepting this I love my daughter with all my heart and will continue to but in my home and I just can't be ready to accept she's a boy yet I'm not sure how to handle this my husband is feeling so lost too I have 2 other kids that are also confused about all this my 10 yr old and my 7 yr old my oldest keeps telling them to call her Elliott and she wont answer them if they don't she also wont answer us either its got to the point where she gets extremely upset if we accidently say she or call her by her birth name. she threatens to run away. a lot of people are telling us to love her though this and we are definitely going too just I don't know what else to do to make it feel like we all are not walking on egg shells and I'm not sure what direction to go. Am I doing the right thing to not follow the world and the views of the world or do I just accept calling her what she wants to be called and make her happy I feel like then Id be dishonoring God and not putting him first .

you could explain to her the cost - that she would never be able to fulfill God's purpose of two sexes - reproduction:

(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Gen 1:28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

and stress that she isn't God, and doesn't yet see His wisdom in creating her female:

(Pro 3:5) Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
(Pro 3:6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
(Pro 3:7) Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
(Pro 3:8) It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

be careful letting her pick her own name:

(Gen 17:3) And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
(Gen 17:4) As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
(Gen 17:5) Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

God has called her female, and through you and your husband, you've called her by her name; not Elliot

God will help you to resist this evil desire if you'll fight it with His Word, but you must be resolved to not allow any concession in the direction of changing the sex God created her to be - He never makes mistakes

 

[98cwitr]

My Oldest daughter has struggled with an eating disorder for the last year and was recently diagnosed with autism this past summer . she regularly sees mental health in our town for the past year , she is 15 years old. About a week ago at one of her appointments she came out and told me she wants to be a boy and be called Elliott before this I wouldn't of even guessed she would want to be a boy she never dressed or desired to and she wasn't a dress kind of girl but she was just her normal self to me . I don't want to sound awful and say she is doing this for attention but i was told that this famous person came out in the news and calls herself Elliott too I'm not sure if it is connected somehow . I love my daughter no matter what I told her this I told her that I believe God made us in his image for a reason and purpose ultimately I told her its her choice but I don't like it or agree with it , I also told her she's always my little girl to my husband and I and we are not ready to call her what she desires to be called and part of that is because I feel like if I do even if I don't agree with it that ill be conforming to the pattern of the world view and as a Christian I just cant do that . to me its like id be deny God and going with it being ok in the worlds eyes and what I have a extremely hard time with is in the eyes of mental health and in the school systems and basically everywhere else its really accepted and a lot of people are making me feel really bad for not just accepting this is the way it is . I'm having such a hard time accepting this I love my daughter with all my heart and will continue to but in my home and I just can't be ready to accept she's a boy yet I'm not sure how to handle this my husband is feeling so lost too I have 2 other kids that are also confused about all this my 10 yr old and my 7 yr old my oldest keeps telling them to call her Elliott and she wont answer them if they don't she also wont answer us either its got to the point where she gets extremely upset if we accidently say she or call her by her birth name. she threatens to run away. a lot of people are telling us to love her though this and we are definitely going too just I don't know what else to do to make it feel like we all are not walking on egg shells and I'm not sure what direction to go. Am I doing the right thing to not follow the world and the views of the world or do I just accept calling her what she wants to be called and make her happy I feel like then Id be dishonoring God and not putting him first .

As the father of a daughter, I personally would hold fast to the truth: Your daughter is 15 years old. She has mental issues, and another 10 years before her frontal cortex is fully matured. The truth is she's a girl. My assumption is that she is seeing all of these identity issues in the media. You may be right in that she is following the steps of "famous people" to "seek attention." Get to the bottom of that. I hope her relationship with her father is a solid and healthy one. Unhealthy ideas are attractive to unhealthy people.

I wouldn't accept it for a second. Tell her she is a girl, keep her away from people who would say otherwise. She's your daughter and deserves that you give her structure and the truth. Only tell her the truth and nothing but the truth. It would be quite unloving, IMO, to feed delusions. We don't tell schizophrenic patients that the voices in their heads are real and should be acknowledged as such. That would be the wrong thing to do, wouldn't it? So why even remotely entertain this?

That's my advice.

 

[parousia70]

I wouldn't accept it for a second. Tell her she is a girl, keep her away from people who would say otherwise.

Right, because nothing good could ever possibly come from validating, empathizing with, and working to gain a better understanding of her daughter's personal feelings and experience.

She definitely needs to make sure her daughter understands that expressing her personal feelings, fears, and hopes to her mother is never OK and will always be met with immediate rejection.

Only that will keep her daughter in her place.

 

[Strong in Him]

My Oldest daughter has struggled with an eating disorder for the last year and was recently diagnosed with autism this past summer . she regularly sees mental health in our town for the past year , she is 15 years old. About a week ago at one of her appointments she came out and told me she wants to be a boy and be called Elliott before this I wouldn't of even guessed she would want to be a boy she never dressed or desired to and she wasn't a dress kind of girl but she was just her normal self to me . I don't want to sound awful and say she is doing this for attention but i was told that this famous person came out in the news and calls herself Elliott too I'm not sure if it is connected somehow . I love my daughter no matter what I told her this I told her that I believe God made us in his image for a reason and purpose ultimately I told her its her choice but I don't like it or agree with it , I also told her she's always my little girl to my husband and I and we are not ready to call her what she desires to be called and part of that is because I feel like if I do even if I don't agree with it that ill be conforming to the pattern of the world view and as a Christian I just cant do that . to me its like id be deny God and going with it being ok in the worlds eyes and what I have a extremely hard time with is in the eyes of mental health and in the school systems and basically everywhere else its really accepted and a lot of people are making me feel really bad for not just accepting this is the way it is . I'm having such a hard time accepting this I love my daughter with all my heart and will continue to but in my home and I just can't be ready to accept she's a boy yet I'm not sure how to handle this my husband is feeling so lost too I have 2 other kids that are also confused about all this my 10 yr old and my 7 yr old my oldest keeps telling them to call her Elliott and she wont answer them if they don't she also wont answer us either its got to the point where she gets extremely upset if we accidently say she or call her by her birth name. she threatens to run away. a lot of people are telling us to love her though this and we are definitely going too just I don't know what else to do to make it feel like we all are not walking on egg shells and I'm not sure what direction to go. Am I doing the right thing to not follow the world and the views of the world or do I just accept calling her what she wants to be called and make her happy I feel like then Id be dishonoring God and not putting him first .

Do you think that this may be linked to her autism and her mental health problems?
Is there anyone you can talk to about that, or can you talk to your daughter herself and try to understand?

Without going into all the rights and wrongs of gender change; if being called "Elliot" pleases your daughter/calms her down/leads her to feel that she is being listened to and her choices are accepted, would it be so terrible? It doesn't change who she is in your eyes, and God knows all about her, who he made her to be and loves her.
It might be only a phase; she could come to feel, all by herself, that that is the wrong thing to do. Hopefully then she would have a stronger relationship with you because you listened to her wishes.

 

[bekkilyn]

It seems that the majority of females who want to transition to being boys or men do so because they wish to escape sexism and misogyny. Many of the ones that do start taking hormones or mutilate themselves come to regret it later when they become adults.

There is obviously some benefit or advantage in her mind that she would get from being a boy instead of a girl. Find out what that is and you may have a first step in solving the problem. It's also possible that someone at school or somewhere else in her life is abusing her or has harassed her, and if she's a boy then she could avoid that problem. There is something going on, especially if this is something that hasn't been happening over the course of years, and you'll need to find out and resolve the root cause. Just calling her Elliot would be a band-aid.

It's perfectly normal for adolescents to question their identities and try to figure out who they are as people. Doesn't mean that parents have to cave under every whim their children have while they are figuring it all out.

Seriously, what woman wouldn't want to be a man in what is often a man's world? The solution isn't to become men though, but to change the world to become better.

 

[angelsaroundme]

I would be careful of pushing her away. Children will sometimes double down on things in an act of rebellion. Instead, I'd try to learn as much about her as possible to uncover the roots of these feelings while also researching the subject extensively. It may be helpful to read about FTM (female-to-male) detransitioners who explain why they originally decided to transition and also what caused them to revert back. This way you can get some ideas about why your daughter may be thinking about it, the risks of going through it, and why it didn't solve the problems others expected it to.

 

[Jetma1572]

You’re daughter and I are both “zoomers”. (7-23 yo.)
My sister is believing that she is bi due to inappropriate content exposure.
Are you monitoring what she’s doing online? It’s extremely easy to fall into this specific thing because of what happens online.
Example: Instagram.
Whether it be her/“his” friends posting stories on LGBT rights, (my friends do this a LOT)
To saying how persecuted in the USA on their feed, to making fun of Christians saying why LGBT is “right”.
YouTube as well, it gets snuck in there.
This influenced me as well when I was younger- I thought I was bi due to exposure.
The internet can influence kids these days EXTREMELY easily, even if it looks/is innocent.
I do have a feeling Elliot Page has something to do with this as I’ve noticed a ton of posts about them.

We definitely monitor as much as we can like regular checks and know all her passwords but she does have Instagram and fb she used to have snapchat but we told her that's defiantly a no because of chats disappearing ect , but we might look into this device that monitors internet activity called circle I've just heard of this recently and was told its amazing so ill probably give it a try . I also agree this has something to do with Elliott page and I'm hoping this is a phase or something that ends soon thanks for replying

 

[Jetma1572]

you could explain to her the cost - that she would never be able to fulfill God's purpose of two sexes - reproduction:

(Gen 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
(Gen 1:28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

and stress that she isn't God, and doesn't yet see His wisdom in creating her female:

(Pro 3:5) Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
(Pro 3:6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
(Pro 3:7) Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
(Pro 3:8) It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

be careful letting her pick her own name:

(Gen 17:3) And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
(Gen 17:4) As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
(Gen 17:5) Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

God has called her female, and through you and your husband, you've called her by her name; not Elliot

God will help you to resist this evil desire if you'll fight it with His Word, but you must be resolved to not allow any concession in the direction of changing the sex God created her to be - He never makes mistakes

thank you for this I was trying to find scripture to figure out answers to some of her questions and I'm a newer Christian so sometimes it takes me a bit to find but thank you this is awesome ill definitely let her know this

 

[Jetma1572]

As the father of a daughter, I personally would hold fast to the truth: Your daughter is 15 years old. She has mental issues, and another 10 years before her frontal cortex is fully matured. The truth is she's a girl. My assumption is that she is seeing all of these identity issues in the media. You may be right in that she is following the steps of "famous people" to "seek attention." Get to the bottom of that. I hope her relationship with her father is a solid and healthy one. Unhealthy ideas are attractive to unhealthy people.

I wouldn't accept it for a second. Tell her she is a girl, keep her away from people who would say otherwise. She's your daughter and deserves that you give her structure and the truth. Only tell her the truth and nothing but the truth. It would be quite unloving, IMO, to feed delusions. We don't tell schizophrenic patients that the voices in their heads are real and should be acknowledged as such. That would be the wrong thing to do, wouldn't it? So why even remotely entertain this?

That's my advice.

thank you for your advice and I totally agree with us keep calling her a girl . we have been doing that especially my husband he is finding this extremely difficult because they had such a good relationship and now it feels like he lost his little girl , he wont call her Elliott or he he calls her by her really name and said he wont change that because that's who she is to him . she's not liking it at all she wont even talk with her dad and wont even answer him . With me I wont use Elliott wither but I'm more trying to go around it by saying " hey can you help me" or saying "hun" I wont say Elliott or he pronouns I find that really bothers me . I truly believe this is somewhat linked to attention as bad as it is to say but truthfully there was never any indicators to say that she wanted to be a boy . I'm definitely going to try and keep her away from people who do call her Elliott and accept this its difficult too because her school and mental health will call her this even when I told them I disagree with it but since this is her choice they said by law here they have to ( we are up in Canada) I told them tho that my husband and i are not calling her that and would like it if they referred her to her birth name to us when we talk about her schooling and other things . the good thing is Christmas break here is extended because of covid by 2 more weeks and they sent Chromebook home for students to do their work online and these are monitored so she wont be able to use youtube or fb or anything like that a lot of stuff is blocked . so her being home is good for us to try and spend time with her , go to our church and just tell her how much we love her and maybe her spending time with us and her brother and sister will just change things for the better I'm praying it will

 

[Jetma1572]

Do you think that this may be linked to her autism and her mental health problems?
Is there anyone you can talk to about that, or can you talk to your daughter herself and try to understand?

Without going into all the rights and wrongs of gender change; if being called "Elliot" pleases your daughter/calms her down/leads her to feel that she is being listened to and her choices are accepted, would it be so terrible? It doesn't change who she is in your eyes, and God knows all about her, who he made her to be and loves her.
It might be only a phase; she could come to feel, all by herself, that that is the wrong thing to do. Hopefully then she would have a stronger relationship with you because you listened to her wishes.

I definitely do think this is linked to her autism and mental health and that's why I really try and sit down with her and explain the best I can I wouldn't have such a hard time with it if she came to me and was like " mom I don't like my name can you call me a nickname or call me this " and id be like ok no problem because she would just want a different name like another girl name or her middle name , but if it is to intend a gender change or desiring to be someone God didn't make her to be then yes I absolutely have a hard time with it and this is why I'm having a hard time with it is because she says God is telling her that she's a boy and she believes she's a boy and her name is Elliott and if we tell her we just cant call her it and call her a boy she gets upset but we love her unconditionally and we tell her this and we tell her we believe that God give us a purpose , a will and made us for a reason she just doesn't see what we are trying to say . I just wont call or believe she's a boy to me because I feel like if I did that id be disobeying God and I refuse to conform to the pattern of this world and just accept worldly values , I don't accept worldly values and decisions that don't line up with Gods word but that doesn't mean I don't love the people that chose this I still will love people no matter what decision they make because that's what Jesus wants us to do

 

[Jetma1572]

It seems that the majority of females who want to transition to being boys or men do so because they wish to escape sexism and misogyny. Many of the ones that do start taking hormones or mutilate themselves come to regret it later when they become adults.

There is obviously some benefit or advantage in her mind that she would get from being a boy instead of a girl. Find out what that is and you may have a first step in solving the problem. It's also possible that someone at school or somewhere else in her life is abusing her or has harassed her, and if she's a boy then she could avoid that problem. There is something going on, especially if this is something that hasn't been happening over the course of years, and you'll need to find out and resolve the root cause. Just calling her Elliot would be a band-aid.

It's perfectly normal for adolescents to question their identities and try to figure out who they are as people. Doesn't mean that parents have to cave under every whim their children have while they are figuring it all out.

Seriously, what woman wouldn't want to be a man in what is often a man's world? The solution isn't to become men though, but to change the world to become better.

I was thinking this too about someone either abusing her or harrassed her because she went back to school in September here and I was getting a call form the school almost every day saying that she wasn't listening and walking the halls and taking off from the classroom she told me it was her anxiety and wanted to do school from home so we did that I asked her what's going on because she was always getting her work done before and this never bothered her being in school before. we live in a super small town so she used to hang out with her 2 best friends which are girls but one of them is all into this lgbqt and ever since the summer they haven't talked really at all there was a incident where my daughter had taking pills over at this friends house ( Tylenol) the parents never told me this had happened just dropped her off at my house I didn't even find out about this until her other friend had called me to ask if i could talk with her because she was worried about my daughter there was also a text on my daughters phone that said from this friend " do you want to forget it ever happened or just want to talk it out " and my daughter said forget it ever happened so I defiantly think this is linked and somehow a reason why this is all going on I confronted her on this and she swears nothing happened but she wont open up to me she's always been like this I either have to find something she wrote or have one of her friends tell me but she doesn't even hang out with them anymore at all and I've tried talking to her friends but they just say oh sometimes people just grow apart and get distant for a while so I cant get anywhere with this . I'm hoping tho with this Christmas break that my husband and I can involve her in just game nights and going to bible studies and spending time with her and hopefully just us spending time with her will break this desire to be a boy because I truly think this is somehow attention seeked from the lack of something because before there was never any indications where I thought she wanted this

 

[garee]

I was thinking this too about someone either abusing her or harrassed her because she went back to school in September here and I was getting a call form the school almost every day saying that she wasn't listening and walking the halls and taking off from the classroom she told me it was her anxiety and wanted to do school from home so we did that I asked her what's going on because she was always getting her work done before and this never bothered her being in school before. we live in a super small town so she used to hang out with her 2 best friends which are girls but one of them is all into this lgbqt and ever since the summer they haven't talked really at all there was a incident where my daughter had taking pills over at this friends house ( Tylenol) the parents never told me this had happened just dropped her off at my house I didn't even find out about this until her other friend had called me to ask if i could talk with her because she was worried about my daughter there was also a text on my daughters phone that said from this friend " do you want to forget it ever happened or just want to talk it out " and my daughter said forget it ever happened so I defiantly think this is linked and somehow a reason why this is all going on I confronted her on this and she swears nothing happened but she wont open up to me she's always been like this I either have to find something she wrote or have one of her friends tell me but she doesn't even hang out with them anymore at all and I've tried talking to her friends but they just say oh sometimes people just grow apart and get distant for a while so I cant get anywhere with this . I'm hoping tho with this Christmas break that my husband and I can involve her in just game nights and going to bible studies and spending time with her and hopefully just us spending time with her will break this desire to be a boy because I truly think this is somehow attention seeked from the lack of something because before there was never any indications where I thought she wanted this

Yes the accuser of the brethren (believers) accuses them to possibly include your daughter, day and night. Seducing the believers they need to seek the attention of another authority .

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

It's the kind of lies that can only come out with prayer and fasting . Which is seeking to be heard on high and moving to offer another the bread of life. Both the literal bread and shelter and the bread of the gospel the unseen spiritual substance working as one ..

Gnostics boast of their "applied knowledge" gained by their believing the lie. In all cases what God joins together (male and female) let no man declare it is all one. And the same it applies with the opposite . What God calls "one" let no man call "two" divided .

As sons of God which we are according to 1 John 3. We are not what we will be. Called the chaste virgin bride of Christ neither male nor female.

Satan would have mankind believe it all one new body now. Its what what Gnostics provide a false fast and is why the disciples could not cast out the spirit of lies.

I would offer keep sharing the true fast the whole chapter of Isaiah 58.

Then perhaps like Paul used as a surrogate womb in your sufferings of planting the gospel seed it might produce fruit in your daughter. No one has received the new body (Hebrew 11:38 )

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Sons of God . . the whole of mankind represents both male and female .what we are but not what we will be.

Parents in pain begin at birth, the first. . giving them a future hope for their children born from above. if Christ is formed in them he will finish the good work he began to the end . The hardest and first work is his love that woks in us is patient .He knows the end from the beginning.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

 

[Strong in Him]

I definitely do think this is linked to her autism and mental health and that's why I really try and sit down with her and explain the best I can I wouldn't have such a hard time with it if she came to me and was like " mom I don't like my name can you call me a nickname or call me this " and id be like ok no problem because she would just want a different name like another girl name or her middle name , but if it is to intend a gender change or desiring to be someone God didn't make her to be then yes I absolutely have a hard time with it and this is why I'm having a hard time with it is because she says God is telling her that she's a boy and she believes she's a boy and her name is Elliott and if we tell her we just cant call her it and call her a boy she gets upset but we love her unconditionally and we tell her this and we tell her we believe that God give us a purpose , a will and made us for a reason she just doesn't see what we are trying to say . I just wont call or believe she's a boy to me because I feel like if I did that id be disobeying God and I refuse to conform to the pattern of this world and just accept worldly values , I don't accept worldly values and decisions that don't line up with Gods word but that doesn't mean I don't love the people that chose this I still will love people no matter what decision they make because that's what Jesus wants us to do

I didn't say that you have to believe that she is a boy.
I just wondered - for the sake of keeping the lines of communication open - if you could bring yourself to call her Elliot. It seems that her dad won't, and she's not talking to him.

But I didn't mean to upset you, and if you feel that you are disobeying God by giving in to her, then clearly you mustn't.

 

[PloverWing]

With me I wont use Elliott wither but I'm more trying to go around it by saying " hey can you help me" or saying "hun" I wont say Elliott or he pronouns I find that really bothers me .

I like your approach better than your husband's approach. The most important thing here is for your child to be able to trust you and confide in you, in the assurance that your loving support will always be there. I'm glad that your child is able to see a therapist, and that there was enough trust to be able to tell you about the gender identity issues. I expect that it hurts your child's feelings for dad to continue to use the birth name even after being asked to use a different name. Your neutral approach is better for keeping the communication channels open.

 

[garee]

Seriously, what woman wouldn't want to be a man in what is often a man's world? The solution isn't to become men though, but to change the world to become better.

Yes better listeners of the eternal word .Today the word marriage has lost the foundation of the meaning used to represent the gospel to mankind . Man and woman one creation acting as two to form a peaceful government. Loving authority the greater, and willing submission as if it was weaker. Jesus said; the father and I are one .No father no son, vice versa. Jesus was sent to do the will of the father. He said "not as I will but as you the unseen father."

I agree, in one sense hid in a parable. . . children a gift of God are designed by the Creator to learn what they believe by good example . The word good is the invisible seal of God. (Let there be and it was good) or bad examples .Did god not seen really say "you shall surely die?" . . Look at me an live.... In that way a woman has the privilege's to teach her own sons how to hear the voice of a woman who seeks to please God. Using a loving husband as Christ the Son of God sent by the father as the Son of man to demonstrate the purchase a bride as a new creature neither male nor female Jew nor gentile.

Good examples give a vison of the bride beheld by her designer.

eauty is in the eyes of the beheld the masterpiece. She called Christian by the father responds as beloved of her maker ."I come to do your will". . . Husbands have the privilege to teach their daughters how to hear the voice of a loving authroity and help create a heathy balance .
I would suggest look for opportunity to share with her on how we can hear what the Spirit says to the churches. . . denominations . .sects called the bride. . He has not left us as orphans fatherless, and widows we as new believers (Christians ) we do have a husband . As sons of God (mankind) we are not what we will be in the end of the matter.

Pray that God teach the differences and purpose for them.
teat them as weaker vessels they are not weaker. But take the lower position of a loving authority two working as if one . The father and the Son . The Son of God not seen and the church, the husband and wife.

The new Sunday school . Made up of children who did obey the loving law to remember or act in accordance in the days of there youth

Ecclesiastes 12 King James Version (KJV) Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

Mary was 15 in her youth did the will of God a one time event that worked in her to both will and do the good pleasure . A virgin birth to represent all born again from above. being misunderstood by all but her husband Josef.

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.