Is it the vaccine? Will it be given alongside the vaccine?
This guy said people are already being seared with it, but doesn't make clear WHAT people are being seared with.
Nebuchadnezzar’s DreamIs it the vaccine? Will it be given alongside the vaccine?
This guy said people are already being seared with it, but doesn't make clear WHAT people are being seared with.
Beast from the EarthIs it the vaccine? Will it be given alongside the vaccine?
This guy said people are already being seared with it, but doesn't make clear WHAT people are being seared with.
I understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to start an argument with you, but constructively saying that you're painting everyone who has opinions on Biblical prophecy and eschatology with the same brush when you say what you said again in this thread. It's not really fair, though, and I've seen you say it often in different threads. So to me, maybe it's a better approach rather to contribute to the thread by making the effort to say what you think or believe, instead of being so dismissive without even contributing your own views. Put yourself in the shoes of the poster who reads your dismissive statement.
I think that at times people want to uphold the "historical Christian theology" with regard to certain things.The idea that the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials of Revelation have parallels instead of their events occurring in the exact order that John wrote them down isn't popular with men's doctrines that instead preach theories like Pretribulationalism, or Preterism. That is why those folks don't want to think of Revelation in the way that agrees with the rest of Bible scripture.
I've already raised the point that there's only 7 main Signs of the end leading up to Christ's return that Lord Jesus Himself gave us in His Olivet discoure, and those are the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials of His Revelation. Thus the Book of Revelation doesn't stand alone, yet those who use men's doctrines as an excuse disregard God's way of allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, which is why Christ's Olivet discourse is an early form of His Book of Revelation, with other pieces of the Revelation prophecy also given in other Scriptures too. Some of Satan's children so hate the Book of Revelation that they have tried to establish authorship for it by a pagan, simply because of its extensive use of symbology! So of course men's doctrines don't want to follow its connection with other Bible Scripture, which is actually where its symbolism originates (like from the OT prophets which through them God used much symbolism).
Likewise, with the idea of a false one coming at the end of this world to work great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive, the Book of Revelation wasn't the first place in God's Word where that was prophesied. Lord Jesus covered it in His Olivet discourse, and even quoted from the Book of Daniel about it. Apostle Paul covered it in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9 and 2 Corinthians 11. Apostle John lightly covered it in 1 John 2:18 about the singular "antichrist" concept. Prior to His crucifixion, Lord Jesus even forewarned of the coming of Satan in John 14:30, which is linked to the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture of Satan's casting out of Heaven down to earth for the end.
How long does it take for the Bible student to recall what they studied from Genesis all the way through to the end of Revelation? Oh, yeah, not that many have actually covered all of God's written Word like that, have they? Why should God allow those to understand then, since they don't discipline theirself in His Word to show themselves approved of Him?
I think that at times people want to uphold the "historical Christian theology" with regard to certain things.
When it comes to the son of perdition and the temple he seats himself up in, I don't think you and I are 100% on the same page. It's not that I think or believe I have it all worked out (I don't, and I know I don't), but there are two Greek words for temple in the New Testament: hieron, and naos.
There are two possible exceptions (which to me, do not seem to be exceptions):
(A) The temple John is told to measure in Revelation 11;
(B) The temple the son of perdition/man of sin seats himself up in.
The new Jerusalem is called the holy city in Revelation 21:2, 10 & 22:19. In Revelation 11:8, Jerusalem on earth is called "Sodom and Egypt". Paul says she is in bondage with her children.
To me, it's unlikely Revelation 11 will call Jerusalem on earth both "the holy city" and "Sodom and Egypt" in the same passage, and it's also unlikely that the Revelation will call both Jerusalem on earth and the heavenly city "the holy city".
The revealing of the man of sin/son of perdition is linked to an apostasy in 2 Thess. Judas Iscariot is the only other person called "the son of perdition" in the New Testament, and he was regarded by all as a follower of Christ, and one of the inner circle. Only Jesus knew Judas was going to betray Him.
I don't believe we should overlook the fact that the man of sin is also called "the son of perdition", and his appearance is linked to an apostasy. Nor do I think we should overlook the fact that after the verses describing the tearing of the veil, there are multiple references to the temple in Jerusalem in Acts and in the epistles, ALL using the word hieron only - but naos (holy tabernacle of God) is only used in reference to individual bodies of saints as the temple, to the church as the temple, and in all Revelations references to the temple in heaven - unless Revelation 11:1-2 and 2 Thess 2:4 are the only exceptions.
This is why I have not made up my mind either way about which "temple" the man of sin will seat himself up in. Because your position still makes more sense, and it is my "older" position which has not been discarded, and was only brought into question when I looked at the Greek words used for "temple" in the New Testament. So I'm in "I don't know" mode in-between two possibilities.I still read Bible commentaries. I just don't rely on them as the final source. God's written Word I rely on as the final source. If I don't understand something, I'll put it on a shelf until The LORD shows me.
I don't rely on differences in the Greek of the word temple to define what temple Apostle Paul was speaking of in 2 Thess.2:4. That Greek word is also used in many other NT Scriptures to point to the literal, physical temple in Jerusalem, as you pointed out. The context of Paul's Message in 2 Thess.2 is what determines what temple he was pointing to.
It turns out that he was pointing to the same subject of warning our Lord Jesus covered in His Olivet discourse about the coming pseudo-Christ involving the "abomination of desolation" event. And we know per the Book of Daniel in chapter 11 that "abomination of desolation" event requires a standing temple in Jerusalem, and involves a false one setting up an idol abomination in it.
In the Rev.11:1-2 example, John is told to take a 'reed' that is like a rod, to measure that temple. It's simple to know that a reed is a measuring rod, so why are both reed and rod used in the same phrase? I believe it is because that particular reed there is symbolic of a punishing rod, though being used to measure that particular temple in Jerusalem, which is pointing to a final temple built for the end, with the Gentiles treading the city for the same time frame the dragon is given to reign per Rev.13 (42 months). See the Ezekiel 40 through 43 about the idea of measuring with a reed, especially note the Ezekiel 43:10 verse. The idea of 'measuring' the temple there is involving the idea of measuring up in righteousness vs. wickedness. In the case of Rev.11, notice that happens in Jerusalem in a time when God's two witnesses will appear there at the end of this world and prophesy against the beast, and then killed by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. Once the flow of those events are put together, I don't think it difficult to understand what that's about and its connection with the coming Antichrist and his at Jerusalem for the end.
Jesus also called Judas "a devil" in John 6:70, which is a direct identifier that goes with that "son of perdition" symbolic name. It shouldn't be that difficult to figure out the connection of that title with the devil himself, since only the devil and his angels so far are the only ones already judged and sentenced to perish in the future lake of fire. No flesh man has been judged yet, not even Judas. That time for Christ's Judgment Seat when all born flesh will bow the knee to Him is not here yet. But for Satan and his, their judgement to perish happened long ago (Matthew 25:41; Isaiah 30:33). That is why one of Satan's titles is "Apollyon" in the Greek of Rev.9, which that is from the Greek word apollumi for 'perdition' (Strong's no.622).
I disagree. We can't make that requirement in the usage of the Greek like that. For that to be true, then there must be more Scripture witness clearly establishing that Paul was not speaking of a literal, physical temple in Jerusalem. And the problem wall one will always run up against in trying to prove that theory is what Jesus showed in His Olivet discourse about the coming pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem for the end and the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol in a temple there. Men's doctrines also try to establish that Paul was not speaking of a singular "man of sin" in that 2 Thess.2 chapter also, but that clearly runs up against the same wall, with denying the singular context of what false one is coming to do in Jerusalem at the end of this world per Lord Jesus, which is even repeated in Rev.13:11-14 to Apostle John by vision...
Notice that in all 3 Scripture examples of a false one coming for the end of this world, it involves the working of great signs, wonders, and miracles, pointing to a supernatural working to deceive. That is in the context of the false one Jesus warned of in His Olivet discourse, and by Paul in 2 Thess.2, and by John in Rev.13. All those examples are about the same pseudo-Christ coming at the end. That is how that "temple of God" in 2 Thess.2:4 is emphatically tied to the coming false one working signs and wonders in Jerusalem for the end.
Is it the vaccine? Will it be given alongside the vaccine?
This guy said people are already being seared with it, but doesn't make clear WHAT people are being seared with.
The first part of the 6th Seal is paralleled in the Matt.24:15-26 verses, and covers the actual time of the AOD and tribulation. The 6th Seal is in two parts. The first part is about the coming of the pseudo-Christ. The latter part is about Christ's 2nd coming.
This is why I have not made up my mind either way about which "temple" the man of sin will seat himself up in. Because your position still makes more sense, and it is my "older" position which has not been discarded, and was only brought into question when I looked at the Greek words used for "temple" in the New Testament. So I'm in "I don't know" mode in-between two possibilities.
I'm not seeing anything in the 6th seal paralleling anything in Matthew 24:15-26.
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This guy is bogus.
Revelation 13
16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand (what one does) or on their forehead (what one thinks), 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666
Revelation 13:3
New Living Translation
I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery—but the fatal wound was healed! The whole world marveled at this miracle and gave allegiance to the beast.
It's a deceptive religious system and many will be deceived into partaking in it.
It's about who one worships ... there will eventually be a forced worship system put in place ... lead by a man ... those who refuse this system will not be able to buy or sell. Who controls economics? Government ... there will be an alliance of this religious system and state. The state will impose economic restrictions on people who refuse the religious system Revelation 13:17
Those who partake in the deceptive worship system will receive "the mark of the beast".
Nobody has the mark right now.
no. It is not a physical mark anymore than beast with seven heads is physical. It’s a spiritual mark. It takes spiritual discernment to know how to count the number itself. How do we do that? Count that number and the answer can be found right in the Bible where many didn’t bother to read.
Is it the vaccine? Will it be given alongside the vaccine?
This guy said people are already being seared with it, but doesn't make clear WHAT people are being seared with.
When Pharoah's two magic men turned two sticks into snakes to replicate Aarons's staff turning into a snake - was it by technology ?Beast from the Earth
“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon (Rev. 13:11).”
The defining characteristics of the beast from the earth are:
Two horns like a lamb (Rev. 13:11).
Spake as a dragon (Rev. 13:11).
Exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him (Rev. 13:12).
Causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed (Rev. 13:12).
Doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men (Rev. 13:13).
Deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed (Rev. 13:14–15).
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16).
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (Rev. 13:17).
The number of the beast is six hundred threescore and six, and it is the number of a man (Rev. 13:18).
Here is how 666 = WWW.
χξς (Greek) = 666 (English) = ווו (Hebrew) = waw waw waw (Paleo Hebrew) = WWW (English).
Waw (letter) - Wikipedia
Arabic numerals - Wikipedia
Banknote - Wikipedia
One man is credited with inventing the World Wide Web (WWW): Tim Berners-Lee, a British computer scientist (which is why the Greek is translated to English). He seems innocent and useful (not to mention, sporadic), like a lamb.
Berners-Lee was raised as an Anglican, but he turned away from religion in his youth. After he became a parent, he became a Unitarian Universalist (UU). When asked whether he believes in God, he stated: “Not in the sense of most people, I'm atheist and Unitarian Universalist (Wikipedia).”
Berners-Lee worked as an independent contractor at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) from June to December 1980. CERN is a European research organization that operates the largest particle physics laboratory in the world.
In 1984, Berners-Lee returned to CERN as a fellow.
In 1989, CERN was the largest internet node in Europe, and Berners-Lee joined hypertext with the internet, creating the World Wide Web.
On 30 April 1993 CERN put the World Wide Web software in the public domain. CERN made the next release available with an open license, as a more sure way to maximize its dissemination. Through these actions, making the software required to run a web server freely available, along with a basic browser and a library of code, the web was allowed to flourish.
Twenty years of a free, open web
After being knighted by Queen Elizabeth II, and being backed by the largest particle physics laboratory in the world, Berners-Lee certainly exercises a lot of power. He now resides at MIT in Cambridge, MA.
Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Alphabet, and Microsoft are collectively worth more than the entire economy of the United Kingdom.
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Berners-Lee is not the antichrist, though. “And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (Rev. 17:11)”—that is the antichrist.
I won’t go into who, exactly, I think the antichrist will be because it remains to be seen. But he’ll be the eighth king, and will be of the seven. Since the beast “was, and is not (Rev. 17:8, 11),” an interim will exist between the Axis Powers and the eighth king, or antichrist.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2 Th 2:3–4).”
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How the World Wide Web was nearly called the The Information Mesh
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Would a robot kill a human being? Many people ask themselves this question. Sophia is one of the most famous AI worldwide. We have her as a guest and ask her the trolley problem. How will the AI answer this moral question?
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“Mark of the beast”—the English word “mark” was originally translated from the Greek “charagma,” which means “thing carved, sculpture, graven work.” The word “beast,” consistent with Dan. 7:23, means “kingdom.” The mark of the beast is a handheld, graven work of a kingdom.
Face ID on iPhone X (CNET News)
Mark = “thing carved, sculpture, or graven work.”
G5480 - charagma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV) Apple explains
iPhone factory - California USA (AUG 2019) Overwhelming’ interest makes Hitler’s ‘Mein Kampf’ popular again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...erest-makes-hitlers-mein-kampf-popular-again/
“It's almost certainly not because of anything German bookstores have been doing: In fact, most had virtually hidden the book from customers. Some had refrained from advertising it, while others ordered only a single copy. But online sales picked up, and in-store sales soon followed.”
The fire he makes come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men might be a nuclear weapon. The American Wright brothers flights in 1903 are recognized by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the standard-setting and record-keeping body for aeronautics, as “the first sustained and controlled heavier-than-air powered flight.” Or it might be fulfilled literally, as in Elijah’s fire.
One of the biggest Christian catchphrases is “one-world government.” How will the antichrist achieve a one-world government? Transportation and communication. People travelled on horseback before the early twentieth century. The telephone was patented in 1876. Have smartphones replaced God?
Have Smartphones Replaced God?
Too many people think the mark will be a microchip implant, but look at the translation of the word! Besides, assuming 7.5 billion people in the world, 0.0000013% of people have implanted RFID chips.
What percentage of people have an RFID chip implanted in them at this moment? - Quora
8 in 10 Americans depend on cellphones.
8 in 10 Americans depend on cellphones
44.87% of all people have smartphones today.
1 Billion More Phones Than People In The World! BankMyCell
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16).”
Two W3C Directors/Horns (Rev. 13:11)
1. Tim Berners-Lee (1989–present)
2. Ben Berners-Lee (future)?
World Wide Web Consortium - Wikipedia
Information Age
1989: World Wide Web (WWW)
1991: SIM card
1994: Amazon
1995: eBay
1996: Nokia 9000 Communicator (smartphone)
1997: Mobile commerce
1998: Google, PayPal
1999: BlackBerry, Napster
2001: Apple iPod
2003: MySpace
2004: Facebook
2005: YouTube
2006: Twitter, Apple MacBook
2007: Apple iPhone
2009: Bitcoin, Samsung Galaxy
2010: Apple iPad 2011: Apple Siri
2014: Amazon Alexa
2016: Google Assistant
2020: e-Yuan, Libra
Only 7 years between the invention of the World Wide Web and the first smartphone. You might notice a gap between the first beast and the second beast: 1946 to 1989. This is characterized by the Plastic Age of credit cards. Its advent began with the first credit card in 1946 and concluded with the FICO score in 1989.
Plastic Age
1946: Charg-It
1950: Diners’ Club
1958: Visa, American Express
1979: MasterCard
1985: Discover Card
1989: FICO score
Today, many websites still accept debit and credit cards, including PayPal and Apple Pay, Samsung Pay, and Google Pay. This year, however, will bring about the e-Yuan and Libra, digital currencies backed by central banks, or financial assets such as a basket of currencies and US Treasury securities, but exchanged via your phone. The digital Euro will follow, as will a Russian digital currency, a Japanese, an African, an Indian, an Iranian, an Iraqi, a Mexican, a South American, etc.
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus (Rev. 14:9–12).”
Many people will disagree with this interpretation because they will wonder if they’ve already received the mark. And if you are already using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies, or plan on using Venmo or Libra, you will claim that this is false because you would never receive the mark.
Take heart. “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16).” Meaning, “all." Literally, “all.” If you have a smartphone, join the rest of us. We will all have one, someday.
Here’s the catch: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (Rev. 13:17).”
My belief is that the mark is a smartphone. And the name of the beast, or the number of his name, is the World Wide Web.
That is my belief; I know there are others.
I also think there will be a third world war over traditional currencies vs. digital currencies (see the 6th trumpet: Rev. 9:13–21). Think about it: two hundred million armored troops, the likes of which have never been seen.
No, you're right. It could be literal fire from heaven. I guess we'll have to wait and see.When Pharoah's two magic men turned two sticks into snakes to replicate Aarons's staff turning into a snake - was it by technology ?
Then you are not spiritually seeing what event actually starts the time of "great tribulation" which Lord Jesus pointed to in those verses.
Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
KJV
That's what the 'untimely figs' idea is about; it's a metaphor for the time when that "dragon" and his angels are booted out of the heavenly dimension at the end of this world, and they have to come here, in our earthly dimension. That is why it will be a time on earth the likes of never seen before, nor ever will again. The "dragon", in person, is coming to 'our' world. And the majority are not prepared for it, and will wonder at who he is.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
If you are like an early fig, that grows in the winter and falls off in the spring, that means you are gathered early, to the "another Jesus". The true Jesus gathers His saints at the Summer harvest, not spring. Did you not know there are 2 Jesus' written of in God's Word? One is a fake, an imposter, and the Other One is our LORD and Savior.