want to talk about OSAS?

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Let us pray for that.

I agree. We should do that indeed.

 

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God did it.

Yes. I agree. We can do no good work on our own without God. Philippians 2:13 makes it clear that God does the good work through us. We are nothing. God is everything. God alone is good. Any or all good is God working through us (under our free will cooperation with the Lord). All boasting and praise for any good work should be given to God and not ourselves.

Works is merely the proof in the pudding that the Lord lives inside a believer.
Abiding in the Lord means one has eternal life. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

 

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You still have nothing from the Eternal Life passages where anyone of them lose their Eternal Life.

Please take no offense, but I don't think this is a proper reply to what I said with God's Word. I spent a good amount of time and effort in replying to your verses by providing you the context (with my own verses). Please show me how the verses I have provided for you are wrong or I am not interpreting them correctly. If not, then you are just shaking your head in disagreement with no real substance to back up your position in that it is true, dear sir.

Anyways, may God's peace and love be upon you even if we disagree.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I believe you. I think you can relax, God isn`t out to get you.

Scripture says God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalms 7:11). In Calvinism: Why is He angry? He can just flip the switch and make them one of the saved elect, and He does not have to be angry anymore.

Also, while God is long suffering toward us, and He is not willing that any should perish, He does want us all to repent. But in Calvinism: One must believe that believers are chosen by God are going to repent, and it is not really man's responsibility to repent. But Scripture says God commands all men everywhere to repent.

 

[1an]

Yes. I agree. We can do no good work on our own without God. Philippians 2:13 makes it clear that God does the good work through us. We are nothing. God is everything. God alone is good. Any or all good is God working through us (under our free will cooperation with the Lord). All boasting and praise for any good work should be given to God and not ourselves.

Works is merely the proof in the pudding that the Lord lives inside a believer.
Abiding in the Lord means one has eternal life. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

I sometimes wonder if the elect are the ones who do the work of God?
.

 

[RickReads]

Scripture says God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalms 7:11). In Calvinism: Why is He angry? He can just flip the switch and make them one of the saved elect, and He does not have to be angry anymore.

Also, while God is long suffering toward us, and He is not willing that any should perish, He does want us all to repent. But in Calvinism: One must believe that believers are chosen by God are going to repent, and it is not really man's responsibility to repent. But Scripture says God commands all men everywhere to repent.

Why do you keep talking to me about Calvin? I enjoyed some of your remarks about him at first but it doesn`t need to be the whole show. I admit to getting annoyed with some Calvins at times but I really don`t share your animosity towards them.

 

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Why do you keep talking to me about Calvin? I enjoyed some of your remarks about him at first but it doesn`t need to be the whole show. I admit to getting annoyed with some Calvins at times but I really don`t share your animosity towards them.

Because you talk about how we are elected to salvation like a Calvinist does.

In addition, in post #1018 you said,

“Do you get it? Jesus is the One who makes you faultless.
It`s not something you did yourself.” ~ Quote by: RickReads.​

This implies that God forces things upon you (Which is the hallmark of Calvinism). Sure, you may claim to not be Calvinist, but you believe in Preserverance of the Saints or OSAS (Which is basically God enforcing His will upon a person after they make a one time decision).

It`s the position of a lot of them I have met in the past and it is the position of BibleHighlighter. I think it will prove to be the position of some others on this thread as well. He`s got the one sin and out view and I will start calling out on that. What you are talking about is something different. But at this point I`m not sure about you either. LOL! But you have a good attitude about things and I would enjoy challenging some of your opinions about the gospel.

No. It's the position of the Bible.

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

Acts 5:1-11 says,
[1] ”But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, [2] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. [3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? [4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. [5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. [6] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. [7] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. [8] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. [9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. [10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. [11] And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

 

[Albion]

Because you talk about how we are elected to salvation like a Calvinist does.

He does have a point, though. This is supposed to be a thread about Eternal Security ("OSAS"), not Calvinism.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

He does have a point, though. This is supposed to be a thread about Eternal Security ("OSAS"), not Calvinism.

But they are related because Preserance of the Saints is one of the 5 points of Calvinism. In fact, this is where OSAS comes from. It comes from Calvinism.

 

[Albion]

But they are related because Preserance of the Saints is one of the 5 points of Calvinism.

So is Justification by Faith "related" to Calvinism, but most Protestants of whatever denomination or orientation agree to that principle.

And it is not required that you believe in Predestination in order to believe in Eternal Security.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Because you talk about how we are elected to salvation like a Calvinist does.

In addition, in post #1018 you said,

“Do you get it? Jesus is the One who makes you faultless.
It`s not something you did yourself.” ~ Quote by: RickReads.​

This implies that God forces things upon you (Which is the hallmark of Calvinism). Sure, you may claim to not be Calvinist, but you believe in Preserverance of the Saints or OSAS (Which is basically God enforcing His will upon a person after they make a one time decision).



No. It's the position of the Bible.

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

Acts 5:1-11 KJV
[1] ”But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, [2] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. [3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? [4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. [5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. [6] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. [7] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. [8] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. [9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. [10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. [11] And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

You are just as " indoctrinated" in your beliefs as the calvinist is in his beliefs. Both claim its the " bible" and have scripture to support their views. The difference is you are mudslinging them. Both Arminians and Calvinists who are born again are saved. Even though they see things differently.

The bottom line is Salvation is of the Lord, not man.

John 1:13 declares we are born again by God not by human decision or the will of man.

hope this helps !!!

 

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I sometimes wonder if the elect are the ones who do the work of God?
.

I believe the elect of God are simply those who are called. Anyways, your statement reminds me of this verse.

“Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;” (Colossians 3:12).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So is Justification by Faith related to Calvinism, but most Protestants of whatever denomination or orientation agree to that principle.

And it is not required that you believe in Predestination in order to believe in Eternal Security.

OSAS originates from Calvinism, and St. Augustine. Many today believe in a reverse form of Calvinism. They believe that after a believer makes a one time decision for Christ, they are forever changed to do God's will. Or so they say. For in some cases, some have turned back around and told me a believer can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I sometimes wonder if the elect are the ones who do the work of God?
.

While I could be wrong, I lean towards the view that the Elect of God is anyone who has been called to salvation. Those who have not been called or elected to salvation are those in Revelation 13:8, and Revelation 17:8 because their names were not written in the book of life since the foundation of the world on the account that they will worship the beast in the future.

 

[Albion]

OSAS originates from Calvinism, and St. Augustine.

Well, it cannot be both. So let's avoid debating something that doesn't need to be in here at all (Calvin), and just discuss the logic and Scriptural basis for OSAS.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

OSAS originates from Calvinism, and St. Augustine. Many today believe in a reverse form of Calvinism. They believe that after a believer makes a one time decision for Christ, they are forever changed to do God's will. Or so they say. For in some cases, some have turned back around and told me a believer can sin and still be saved by having a belief alone on Jesus.

Well I believe the security of the believe is taught by Jesus and the Apostles. We sure do not need the teachings of Augustine, Calvin or any other man to believe in the security of the believer in Christ.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are just as " indoctrinated" in your beliefs as the calvinist is in his beliefs. Both claim its the " bible" and have scripture to support their views. The difference is you are mudslinging them. Both Arminians and Calvinists who are born again are saved. Even though they see things differently.

What I have learned I have learned from the Lord. I did not learn what I did from some church, or Pastor, or particular denomination. Everything I learned I learned by reading the Scriptures, and comparing Scripture with Scripture and asking the Lord for the understanding.

The bottom line is Salvation is of the Lord, not man.

John 1:13 declares we are born again by God not by human decision or the will of man.

This would be isolating verses out of context to the rest of the Bible. We are told to repent by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Why would He tell people to repent if it was impossible for them to do so without a regeneration from God. Do you even know that the Scriptures say that we are to repent and we will be converted? (See: Acts of the Apostles 3:19).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, it cannot be both. So let's avoid debating something that doesn't need to be in here at all (Calvin), and just discuss the logic and Scriptural basis for OSAS.

You are free to believe OSAS is not related to Calvinism, but it is. I am also not in agreement with you that OSAS is logical and or based on Scripture.

 

[Albion]

You are free to believe OSAS is not related to Calvinism

Gee, thanks. So let's discuss OSAS without any side show.

I am also not in agreement with you that OSAS is logical and or based on Scripture.

Well then, let's see if logic and/or Scripture DO (or don't) support it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Gee, thanks. So let's discuss OSAS without the side show.

There is no side show. OSAS is a part of Calvinism (Whether you like that or not). What do you think Preserance of the Saints is?