Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

[mkgal1]

I have already gave you the counter connection between Jesus, a prince in scripture, and the Antichrist who will be instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel, coming in his own name.

Futhermore, 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Before a person is anointed king, is he not a prince?

Wait! I'm uncertain as to why you're sharing that verse from John 4. Are you attributing that verse to a coming antichrist?

 

[mkgal1]

Generally speaking the term antichrist is broadly misused.

Agreed. Especially when verses meant to be about Christ the Messiah are distorted to refer to exactly the opposite of Christ.

 

[nolidad]

Christ has made an end of sin at Calvary, based on the scripture below.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


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Then why do people still sin? You do not make sense!

Jesus made an end of offering for sins at Calvary. And He has ended the need for any atonement for sins at calvary, but He did not end sin! I don't know about you, but I can look out my window and it won't take me too long to find sin! Even in my own life- I have not reached that state of total sinlessness.

And while Hebrews you quote is definitely for the gentiles as well, remember the context. The writer of Hebrews is writing to Jewish folks who are struggling about receiving Christ! He is reminding them of the New Covenant god has made to Israel (not fully fulfilled yet) and that teh covenant was sealed not with the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus!

 

[mkgal1]

Then why do people still sin? You do not make sense!

Because that doesn't mean what you think it means. God isn't stopping people from sinning (we have free will). He removed the penalty....He atoned for our sins. IOW....He doesn't hold our sins against us.

All this is fulfilled:

Daniel 9:24
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.​

 

[jgr]

Then why do people still sin? You do not make sense!

Jesus made an end of offering for sins at Calvary. And He has ended the need for any atonement for sins at calvary, but He did not end sin! I don't know about you, but I can look out my window and it won't take me too long to find sin! Even in my own life- I have not reached that state of total sinlessness.

And while Hebrews you quote is definitely for the gentiles as well, remember the context. The writer of Hebrews is writing to Jewish folks who are struggling about receiving Christ! He is reminding them of the New Covenant god has made to Israel (not fully fulfilled yet) and that teh covenant was sealed not with the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus!

Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Sins, which are put away and taken away, are ended.

 

[mkgal1]

He is reminding them of the New Covenant god has made to Israel (not fully fulfilled yet) and that teh covenant was sealed not with the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus!

Fulfilled.

This is part of True Israel (the disciples as well):

Acts 2:22-24
People of Israel, listen! God publicly endorsed Jesus the Nazarene by doing powerful miracles, wonders, and signs through him, as you well know. 23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. 24But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches. ​

V. 33
Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

V. 39
This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”​

 

[BABerean2]

He is reminding them of the New Covenant god has made to Israel (not fully fulfilled yet) and that teh covenant was sealed not with the blood of bulls and goats, but the blood of Jesus!

Speaking of people not making sense...

When do you think Jesus is going to "fully fulfill" the New Covenant?

Have you cut John 19:30 out of your Bible?

David H.J. Gay on the fulfillment of the New Covenant:

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[SeventyOne]

Because that doesn't mean what you think it means. God isn't stopping people from sinning (we have free will). He removed the penalty....He atoned for our sins. IOW....He doesn't hold our sins against us.

All this is fulfilled:

Daniel 9:24
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.​

When was this part fulfilled and when do you understand the book of Revelation to have been written?

"to seal up vision and prophecy"

 

[Timtofly]

YOu asre projecting Davids prohibition to every single generation. You have no Scriptural warrantto do so.

Why would God think differently between now and then?

 

[iamlamad]

This is the thinking of the natural man, which is incapable of spiritual discernment.

1 Corinthians 2
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Who in the historical true Church prior to the 19th century ascribed the work of Christ in Daniel 9, to antichrist?

Names, dates, sources, quotes.

Red herring. Why does it matter what someone else believed or believes. We all have the SAME scriptures.

Case in point: what did the leadership of the church believe when Martin Luther nailed his thesis on the door? Did He just come up with "salvation is by faith?" No, Paul taught it. But for hundreds of years, it seems no one else wrote what Martin Luther wrote. Does that mean what he wrote was not truth? Do we define truth by what came before - or can we define truth by the word of God alone?

 

[iamlamad]

Speaking of people not making sense...

When do you think Jesus is going to "fully fulfill" the New Covenant?

Have you cut John 19:30 out of your Bible?

David H.J. Gay on the fulfillment of the New Covenant:
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1 Cor. 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

 

[iamlamad]

Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


Sins, which are put away and taken away, are ended.

There is ONE SIN Jesus could not die for. It is the sin people will be judged on.

 

[iamlamad]

Because that doesn't mean what you think it means. God isn't stopping people from sinning (we have free will). He removed the penalty....He atoned for our sins. IOW....He doesn't hold our sins against us.

All this is fulfilled:

Daniel 9:24
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.​

Many would disagree that every point in this verse has been completed.

 

[Douggg]

Wait! I'm uncertain as to why you're sharing that verse from John 4. Are you attributing that verse to a coming antichrist?

I am trying to point out the word Christ, the Jews equated with "the" messiah. "the" messiah in biblical background is the promised great King of Israel descended from David.

When Jesus was crucified, the religious leaders mocked him, saying,

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

jgr was challenge me about the antichrist being a prince as in the prince who shall come. To do that, it is necessary to note the comparison between Jesus and the antichrist in a way that would put the antichrist as the one who confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Jesus is considered a prince in the bible and also is the Christ, the messiah, which that function is to be the King of Israel, that God promised; that is to say coming in the name of the Lord.

The antichrist is a person the Jews will embrace as the messiah and will be anointed the King of Israel (anti) instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

So being the King of Israel, albeit not the person God intends to be the King of Israel, one of the requirements is to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years, by reading the law to the nation of Israel.

There is actually a term for that requirement. Hakhel - Wikipedia

The term Hakhel (Hebrew הקהל) refers to a biblical commandment of assembling all Jewish men, women and children, as well as "strangers" to assemble and hear the reading of the Torah by the king of Israel once every seven years.[1]

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One of the common mistake is to refer to the Antichrist person as the Antichrist in a blanket fashion. For example, people will say "the Antichrist" for times when the person is the beast and no longer the
Antichrist - King of Israel, coming in his own name. They should be saying the beast person. Or little horn person.

 

[BABerean2]

1 Cor. 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

He was raised from the dead...


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[Douggg]

"Cannot be mistaken" is not a "relative term".

The Jews (Judaism) do not agree with the unmistakability of Jesus being the messsiah (an anointed) cutoff in Daniel 9:26.

 

[Douggg]

Thanks. The link confirms everything I've been saying.

The word "antichrist" appears nowhere in his commentary.

Yes, I probably misunderstood your question. Nonetheless, the idea that the prince who shall come is Jesus either started with Matthew Henry, or was continued with Matthew Henry from others of his time, around 1700.

 

[BABerean2]

The Jews (Judaism) do not agree with the unmistakability of Jesus being the messsiah (an anointed) cutoff in Daniel 9:26.

You are ignoring those Jews who did understand Daniel chapter 9.


Luk 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
Luk 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Luk 2:27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
Luk 2:28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
Luk 2:29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
Luk 2:30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Luk 2:31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
Luk 2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
Luk 2:33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
Luk 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
Luk 2:35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.


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[Brian Mcnamee]

All attempts to separate the Church from faithful Israel fall apart on the Day of Pentecost when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.


Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, and he was a part of the "remnant" in verse five.


James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith" in James 1:1-3.

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Do you know in a debate if you do not counter the specific arguments forwarded you are assumed to agree with them. The winner is determined by who won the most points. Points are scored by arguments that are not countered and by who had the stronger argument where there is what is called clash. Clash is when both sides present their best arguments on the same point. In every exchange with you on this topic there is never any clash. This post is your response to my presentation that shows the kingdom does come to earth when the LORD comes with His saints. The before and after picture is established. I showed the context of Jer 31 is the day of Jacob's trouble and that God affirms that Israel will not cease to be a nation and that God will not cast off the seed of Israel for all they have done. The LORD notes 3 times David is raised up and they all line up with the literal scenario.
Re-read my post prior to this and perhaps try to answer it in a debate style or in reality you are smoked in every one of these exchanges as your style is to introduce a new front and ignore all other points previously made. In Acts 2 he context is the day of Pentecost had come and 5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. So when Paul addresses this crowd as men of Israel this is not talking about the church as 3000 were saved but more than 3000 heard the message.

 

[Douggg]

You are ignoring those Jews who did understand Daniel chapter 9.

The point I was making is that things some consider "unmistakenable" may not be unmistakenable to others.