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Question for the Ladies, Men Can Answer as well if they want to
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You do not see ambiguity with such people? From the documentaries I've seen many seem to lean one way or the other, yet some people's concept of gender is more vague and non-existent.
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Similar to how sex isnt just defined by reproduction, gender isnt either. Plant reproduction isnt sexual.
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I think neotenous and non-neotenous faces have more descriptive power than flower and steel symmetries.
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Even women with handsome features have a certain neotonous look that men dont have.
Do you think male or female animals have a sex with a more neotonous face, to the same degree that people do?
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People give their animals a gender and names to make them be like people, since they dont have the same level of neotony or non neotony that people have.
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That's what some people report about themselves. Given their intersex I'd take their words with some seriousness.
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Do you think it doesnt have descriptive power to say that people excusing bad things are totally contradicting themselves?
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They are male or female depending on if they have a masculine or feminine face, and feminine faces tend to be more neotonous.
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I know dogs are neotenous compared to wild wolves, extremely so with some breeds. A large reason we find them so cute and endearing. They're a great substitute if someone doesn't want or cannot have children. As far as female dogs and male dogs being neotenos and non-neotenous in relation to each other compared ot humans I do not know. I'm more apt to agree with you there, yet I do not see why this matters?
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This is not an ideal example but that people joke about women are gross too, hints that animals dont have the same level of neotony or non neotony or masculine or feminine looking facial features like people have. To an extent hormones influence different appearence, at least in women. Estrogen can cause feminine looking faces. Even women with high testosterone still look like women they dont have masculine faces. Even they still have a certain neotony that people who people joke are "pretty boys" dont have.
Gender is anatomy, appearence, hormones, brain, some personality differences. Since we are made in Gods image, maybe its like the Trinity. I think men and women are more alike than different but still have more differences than male or female animals.
male and female in animals doesnt exist to the level of face differences the way people have it, its a multifacted term like Jewish and black. Jewish is a race, ethnic group, culture, and religion. Some people think aboriginals are black some dont. African Americans have the African Episopocal church but arent usually called africans like african immigrants and their descendants are. They are the only ethnic group in America like that, I think.
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So we agree that animals dont really have a concept of being male or female to the degree only humans do.
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How would evolution explain this? I dont agree with evolution people who used plants as an example of macroevolution.
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I do not know enough about biological diversity to answer that. Even within humans, some races are more and less sexual dysmorphic than other races.
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Yeah, but I wouldn't expect them all to fall into one binary or the other either.
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in some cases it draws undue attention to gender and the behavior itself does because its strange, but I dont think men having long hair itself is not bibical because it draws undue attention to gender-it drawing undue attention to gender is just a byproduct of it being confusion and not godly.
It has a bizzareness of mixing two categories together
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