Question for the Ladies, Men Can Answer as well if they want to

[Sammy-San]

Yet I am talking about conservative Christians who want to defend aspects that go deeper than just culture.



What do you mean differences in skeletons? Humans don't change that quickly.



Yes I've gone into detail that gender is not a black and white issue and subject to change, and that even cultural differences might in fact still have biological roots. Wouldn't also surprise me if different races on average perceive certain things about males and females differently.

Sex is more than reproduction. Artificial insemination isnt sexual because it doesnt involve whats off limits, and that wierd story where people mixed two eggs together isnt sexual either.

 

[MehGuy]

Sex is more than reproduction. Artificial insemination isnt sexual because it doesnt involve whats off limits, and that wierd story where people mixed two eggs together isnt sexual either.

In a biological sense artificial insemination is irrelevant. At least in any tangible way pertaining to this discussion. Not to say it won't have large effects down the road.

 

[Sammy-San]

Uh huh. Animals still have reproduction differences to deal with. I don't see why it wouldn't morph their mindsets to a certain extent.



I do not really care to discuss transgenderism. If this were another forum I'd be open but not so much here.

Gender differences in people arent just about reproduction. It has to do with a different brain

 

[MehGuy]

Gender differences in people arent just about reproduction. It has to do with a different brain

The realties of differences between male and female reproduction certainly had a drive for evolutionary changes in the brain.

 

[Sammy-San]

Uh huh. Animals still have reproduction differences to deal with. I don't see why it wouldn't morph their mindsets to a certain extent.



I do not really care to discuss transgenderism. If this were another forum I'd be open but not so much here.

Do you agree that even things like androgynous hair and appearance draw undue attention to gender in ways that go beyond inappropriate attention to gender. At that point the issue isnt the anatomy part of gender but the mixing of two things that were never meant to be mixed? Its like saying a family member is a friend friend-its confusion to mix up those two categories and very wierd. If someone said a romantic partner is a type of friend it sounds wierd because it sounds like they are talking about a friends with benefits type relationship. A romantic partner functions like a friendship technically speaking but it would be very desacradizing of the relationship to say they are special friends.

How would reproduction differences morph an animals mindset?

 

[MehGuy]

Do you agree that even things like androgynous hair and appearance draw undue attention to gender in ways that go beyond inappropriate attention to gender. At that point the issue isnt the anatomy part of gender but the mixing of two things that were never meant to be mixed? Its like saying a family member is a friend friend-its confusion to mix up those two categories and very wierd. If someone said a romantic partner is a type of friend it sounds wierd because it sounds like they are talking about a friends with benefits type relationship. A romantic partner functions like a friendship technically speaking but it would be very desacradizing of the relationship to say they are special friends.

How would reproduction differences morph an animals mindset?

Watch some nature documentaries. You see different behaviors between male and females within a species.

 

[Sammy-San]

The realties of differences between male and female reproduction certainly had a drive for evolutionary changes in the brain.

Evolution or not I can agree with you about reproduction differences influencing brain differences. That doesnt prove or disprove evolution.

 

[MehGuy]

Evolution or not I can agree with you about reproduction differences influencing brain differences. That doesnt prove or disprove evolution.

Hey, nice to find some middle ground. While it would help we can still have a productive discussion even if you do not believe in evolution. You do agree that for whatever reason God made women more childlike in appearance compared to men?

 

[Sammy-San]

Watch some nature documentaries. You see different behaviors between male and females within a species.

Regardless of it has to do with God, I believe that there are differences between male and female people that dont exist with male and female animals. For example saying a handsome woman sounds more normal than saying a pretty boy.

Regarding what I said about romance and friendship being different, there is a bizzareness of mixing two categories together.

Male and female have different meanings in animals and in people, similar to how the song let earth receive her king has a different meaning than her used regarding people.

I think romance and friendship being different hints that premarital sex is a sin. if the two categories were the same it would sound like romance equals friends with benefits, which by definition, especially easier to see this from a Christian perspective, is a person wanting to take advantage of a friend. From a Christian standpoint sexual sin is abuse, the bible uses the term abusers of themselves with mankind. Its not the same thing as unconsensual sexual sin but in terms of the category its in, its similar.

 

[Sammy-San]

Hey, nice to find some middle ground. While it would help we can still have a productive discussion even if you do not believe in evolution. You do agree that for whatever reason God made women more childlike in appearance compared to men?

I thought you didnt agree with me on that, but yes, I agree feminine faces have what you could look at as a childlike appearance.

 

[Sammy-San]

In a biological sense artificial insemination is irrelevant. At least in any tangible way pertaining to this discussion. Not to say it won't have large effects down the road.

Artificial insemination shows that sex isnt defined by reproduction. A plant seed isnt private.

 

[MehGuy]

Regardless of it has to do with God, I believe that there are differences between male and female people that dont exist with male and female animals. For example saying a handsome woman sounds more normal than saying a pretty boy.

Sure I don't think that is too controversial.

Regarding what I said about romance and friendship being different, there is a bizzareness of mixing two categories together.

Like I said before, it's perfectly natural to find it bizarre. Doesn't mean intersex people don't exist though. True for many things outside the norm. Some men are into 100 year old women. It's bizarre and unusual but doesn't mean there isn't a genetic competent to it.

I think romance and friendship being different hints that premarital sex is a sin. if the two categories were the same it would sound like romance equals friends with benefits, which by definition, especially easier to see this from a Christian perspective, is a person wanting to take advantage of a friend. From a Christian standpoint sexual sin is abuse, the bible uses the term abusers of themselves with mankind. Its not the same thing as unconsensual sexual sin but in terms of the category its in, its similar.

I don't know where this stuff came from. Never argued they were the same. Although romance doesn't just come into being once someone gets married by the state.

 

[Sammy-San]

Watch some nature documentaries. You see different behaviors between male and females within a species.

People dont really use terms like gay or lesbian for animals because animal males and females dont relate to one another the way human men and women do.

The term lesbian as opposed to gay hints the different nature of how females relate to each other than males, because of estrogen and appearance differences. I remember in church they said men dont really nurture.

 

[MehGuy]

I thought you didnt agree with me on that, but yes, I agree feminine faces have what you could look at as a childlike appearance.

What? I've been bringing up neoteny and women being more neotenous on average since like the first page.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure I don't think that is too controversial.



Like I said before, it's perfectly natural to find it bizarre. Doesn't mean intersex people don't exist though. True for many things outside the norm. Some men are into 100 year old women. It's bizarre and unusual but doesn't mean there isn't a genetic competent to it.



I don't know where this stuff came from. Never argued they were the same. Although romance doesn't just come into being once someone gets married by the state.

Romance has something to do with it. Even if the prophet Mohammad marrying Aisha wasnt consummated until after she was an adult, nobody thinks he was a perfect man because marrying a minor itself was just inappropriate.

Christians wouldnt object to same sex marriage if marriage wasnt a relationship that functioned like a friendship and had a connection to sexuality despite no intention of taking advantage of the other person in a normal relationship (not promoting homosexuality or arguing with people by saying its not normal-making a point about its possible people marry for the wrong reasons-thats the meaning of the word normal).

Why arent they the same? Do you think what I said proves fornication is a sin? Marriage and romance function like friendship and have a connection to sexuality by definition that is also not intentional, they dont have the intention of taking advantage of the other person, in a healthy normal relationship.

To what extent do you think physical attraction and puppy love causes relationships?

A sexless or genderless person is still male or female because God created people to have a steel or flower like symmetry.

 

[MehGuy]

Artificial insemination shows that sex isnt defined by reproduction. A plant seed isnt private.

How has artificial insemination have an effect on human evolution.. especially relating to gender differences?

 

[Sammy-San]

What? I've been bringing up neoteny and women being more neotenous on average since like the first page.

Neotonous or not, male and female faces are distinct. A "pretty boy" and a handsome woman have different steel or flower symmetries in their face.

 

[Sammy-San]

How has artificial insemination have an effect on human evolution.. especially relating to gender differences?

It shows sexual relationships, and by extension, gender, arent defined by reproduction-its defined by steel flower symmetry and whats off limits.

 

[MehGuy]

Neotonous or not, male and female faces are distinct. A "pretty boy" and a handsome woman have different steel or flower symmetries in their face.

Without neoteny I'm not sure how much they would be.

Steel and flower symmetries?

 

[MehGuy]

It shows sexual relationships, and by extension, gender, arent defined by reproduction-its defined by steel flower symmetry and whats off limits.

Are you trying to drive me insane? Or well.. further insane? Lol.