To Cease or to Continue, that is the Question

[Jesus is YHWH]

Which one do you question? Are you claiming that none of them are biblical?
Since you are a Cessationist you will reject anything I provide. I need better wages than that for the effort.

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

Scripture for 1-5

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Are your posts a good example?

Mine have scripture not personal opinions and include EXEGESIS not eisegesis.

 

[Saint Steven]

Mine have scripture not personal opinions and include EXEGESIS not eisegesis.

I see none of that in this post. - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

Scripture for 1-5

Which ones are you unable to provide scripture for? #5 is easy. Can you do it?

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Which ones are you unable to provide scripture for? #5 is easy. Can you do it?

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

I asked you its your claims not mine. You provide scriptures for your " claims" the onus is on you to prove it, the burden of proof is your responsibility.

 

[Saint Steven]

I asked you its your claims not mine. You provide scriptures for your " claims" the onus is on you to prove it, the burden of proof is your responsibility.

So, you are not familiar with the outpouring at Pentecost? (#5)
Do you really need me to provide that scripture for you? (Hint: Acts chapter 2)
What about #4 ? (search terms: sing spirit) Can you find it?

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

So, you are not familiar with the outpouring at Pentecost? (#5)
Do you really need me to provide that scripture for you? (Hint: Acts chapter 2)
What about #4 ? (search terms: sing spirit) Can you find it?

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

I get it if you made it up thats ok since you do not have scriptures. Just say its your opinion but don't say the bible teaches what you said above.

 

[Guojing]

Of course I agree with what Paul stated in 1Cor1v22, But that doesn't help your argument one iota.

But as can be seen in your scripture, Paul is not just attacking Jews, but Gentiles also, both for their unbelief.
22For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Do you agree with the list of faithful Jews/Israelites in Hebrews11?

The point was that Jews required a sign to believe.

Once you truly understand that, is it that difficult to understand that signs and wonders were performed by Jesus, so that Israel could have the opportunity to accept Jesus as their promised Messiah?

This was even stated explicitly by John in John 20:30-31. The entire book of John is an account of 8 signs performed by Jesus, for the nation Israel.

John was not expecting Israel to accept Jesus by faith, and not sight, as it began for Israel in Exodus 4.

This was even stated by Jesus himself in John 10

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him

 

[JohnT]

SkyWriting said: ↑
I have been clear that God communicates and never with words.

What is it that is in the Bible? Of what are the Scriptures made?

WORDS
Case closed

 

[Aussie Pete]

its usually a 1 line statement void of any Scripture and just a persons opinion.

Ok, I do that at times. Mostly I give chapter and verse. Sometimes the answer seems so obvious that I can't be bothered.

 

[Saint Steven]

I get it if you made it up thats ok since you do not have scriptures. Just say its your opinion but don't say the bible teaches what you said above.

You're pretty funny.
Are you claiming that the five aren't biblical?

I gave you #5. You must have heard of the outpouring at Pentecost. Right?
And #4 is easy to find. (search terms: sing spirit) Can you find it?
Even #1 and #3 are in the same chapter as #4. Have you read that chapter?
That covers 1, 3-5.

I suppose #2 would pose some difficulty for you. (search term: groans)
Cessationists typically argue over that one. Lots of hairsplitting over words.
Anyone who has received the Baptism with the Holy Spirit would understand.
Those who haven't are ignorant of such things. That's fine, I understand.
Did you know that the Holy Spirit is a teacher? (John 14:26)
I hope this helps.

Five Different Kinds of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

 

[John Mullally]

Isaiah 53 is our sins that were healed. The healing is SIN not diseases right there in the text.

Matthew 8:14-17 that JohnT presented on a much earlier post proves that Isaiah 53 includes healing of diseases.

Hope that helps !!!

 

[Guojing]

Matthew 8:14-17 that JohnT presented on a much earlier post proves that Isaiah 53 includes healing of diseases.

Hope that helps !!!

Ever wonder why Paul didn't use that passage for Timothy's stomach problems, and instead advise him to drink wine, instead of water?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Ever wonder why Paul didn't use that passage for Timothy's stomach problems, and instead advise him to drink wine, instead of water?

and Trophimus I have left in Miletus sick (2 Timothy 4:20).

maybe his sins were not forgiven along with his diseases by those who claim Isaiah 53 is about diseases as well.

But we know he was a believer who's sins were forgiven as well as timothy and others who were not healed.

 

[John Mullally]

Ever wonder why Paul didn't use that passage for Timothy's stomach problems, and instead advise him to drink wine, instead of water?

Healing may not be immediate. The blessings in the Word of God don't work in an environment of Unbeleif. There are many examples of this in the Gospels - examine it for yourself.

 

[John Mullally]

and Trophimus I have left in Miletus sick (2 Timothy 4:20).

maybe his sins were not forgiven along with his diseases by those who claim Isaiah 53 is about diseases as well.

But we know he was a believer who's sins were forgiven as well as timothy and others who were not healed.

Healing may not be immediate - which is implied by James 5:14 which you yourself quoted! Please explain why Matthew 8:17 is included in its context (Matthew 8:14-16).

Hope that helps !!!

 

[Guojing]

Healing may not be immediate. The blessings in the Word of God don't work in an environment of Unbeleif. There are many examples of this in the Gospels - examine it for yourself.

Are you saying Timothy had unbelief, so Paul did not advise him to declare "By Jesus stripes I am healed"?

 

[Guojing]

Healing may not be immediate. Please explain why Matthew 8:17 is included in its context (Matthew 8:14-16).

Hope that helps !!!

How about this, Jesus healed all those Jews as a sign to testify to them that he is indeed their Promised Messiah? (John 20:30-31)?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Healing may not be immediate - which is implied by James 5:14 which you yourself quoted! Please explain why Matthew 8:17 is included in its context (Matthew 8:14-16).

Hope that helps !!!

and healing may be when we die and are with Christ. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

 

[John Mullally]

How about this, Jesus healed all those Jews as a sign to testify to them that he is indeed their Promised Messiah? (John 20:30-31)?

And this same Jesus said to his disciples:

John 14:12 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.