Am I The Only One

[Saint Steven]

Regardless of the situation, we must remember that is about the Good News Gospel of Christ Jesus our Salvation, who loved us enough to not say no to God and not die. Instead said, not my will but your will father, and forgive them for they not know what they do, and died for the whole world sins. Not just our own.

Right there at the end of your post. Jesus "died for the whole world sins. Not just our own." His death paid the price. Salvation for all, bought and paid for.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[RushMAN]

You have a right to your belief. So you believe this, so be it so, friend! You know no one should be holding a knife to you to get you to say otherwise! God bless, and have a nice night.

We have the right to believe the orthodox Christian faith or to believe wrongly, your right

 

[mlepfitjw]

Yes, either way the Lord Jesus Christ, and God are going to win. They are the ones we place our faith in, and on.

Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

To get on here and to pick on people and how they believe or try to win them over to how I believe is something that is at times useless, and sometimes it just causes people to disagree, and banter, which maybe people like to do that.

This is what is important at least in my opinion to remember. Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

@RushMAN There is something like 10,000,000,000 people in the world. Not everyone is going to believe the same things.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Right there at the end of your post. Jesus "died for the whole world sins. Not just our own." His death paid the price. Salvation for all, bought and paid for.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

I agree, but now I am tired, and going to go rest! Good night brother, and everyone looking here. Be blessed!

 

[Saint Steven]

If one hears the Gospel and does not believe they are willingly not wanting to go be with God and they want to go to Hell. There are many people that will tell you they want to go to Hell. The problem with universalism is it has a fairy tale view of the world and people, not a view of reality

No one wants to go to hell. But when they see what we are up to they certainly don't want to became Christians. More to the point. They will tell you they prefer hell. But again, no one wants to go to hell. Take them to the edge of a volcano and ask them again.

 

[RushMAN]

Right there at the end of your post. Jesus "died for the whole world sins. Not just our own." His death paid the price. Salvation for all, bought and paid for.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

That does not mean everyone will go to Heaven. Christ even says there are those who will not go and God list those who will never go in the Bible. The truth is not everybody will be saved at the end, only those that do the will of God.

Let me ask all you universalist. Why in the heck am I wasting time serve God, with the struggles, the persecutions, the disappointments when really I don't have to because I can live like the Devil, flip off Christians and God and have a much better life than I have now

 

[RushMAN]

No one wants to go to hell. But when they see what we are up to they certainly don't want to became Christians. More to the point. They will tell you they prefer hell. But again, no one wants to go to hell. Take them to the edge of a volcano and ask them again.

That I do not believe. I know people that absolutely want to go to Hell

 

[Saint Steven]

To get on here and to pick on people and how they believe or try to win them over to how I believe is something that is at times useless, and sometimes it just causes people to disagree, and banter, which maybe people like to do that.

Everyone is selling, and no one is buying. (very few anyway)
I wasn't a Universalist before I came here. Chalk one up.

And frankly, I'd rather be a Universalist and be wrong than a Damnationist and be right.
I refuse to slander my loving heavenly Father that way.

 

[Saint Steven]

Let me ask all you universalist. Why in the heck am I wasting time serve God, with the struggles, the persecutions, the disappointments when really I don't have to because I can live like the Devil, flip off Christians and God and have a much better life than I have now

That's a complete misunderstanding of Universalism.

 

[Saint Steven]

That I do not believe. I know people that absolutely want to go to Hell

A trip to the volcano is in order then. - lol

Saint Steven said: ↑
No one wants to go to hell. But when they see what we are up to they certainly don't want to became Christians. More to the point. They will tell you they prefer hell. But again, no one wants to go to hell. Take them to the edge of a volcano and ask them again.

 

[RushMAN]

That's a complete misunderstanding of Universalism.

So you all don't believe everyone goes to heaven then?

 

[Saint Steven]

So you all don't believe everyone goes to heaven then?

No. We believe everyone goes to "hell" first. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (like when you got saved) - lol

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

 

[Saint Steven]

That I do not believe. I know people that absolutely want to go to Hell

They don't want to be separated from their friends. I think that is all it means.

 

[RushMAN]

No. We believe everyone goes to "hell" first. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (like when you got saved) - lol

Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.

I think like Christian you find different heretical beliefs too. Still in essence it does not matter to you guys how one lives there life, there is no gain by living righteous in a universalist utopia worldview.

 

[Saint Steven]

I think like Christian you find different heretical beliefs too. Still in essence it does not matter to you guys how one lives there life, there is no gain by living righteous in a universalist utopia worldview.

That's another complete misunderstanding of Universalism. This is a good discussion.

 

[RushMAN]

That's another complete misunderstanding of Universalism. This is a good discussion.

It is directly from you. The problem is the heresy is always changing even by you now, I present something and you say that is not it. You want it all the ways possible and no way possible at the same time.

 

[Saint Steven]

It is directly from you.

Where did I say that it does not matter how one lives their life?

 

[RushMAN]

Where did I say that it does not matter how one lives their life?

You believe everyone goes to Heaven, correct?

 

[Saint Steven]

You believe everyone goes to Heaven, correct?

See post #292

I suggest you read the first chapter in this book (Catholic author) and come back with some REAL questions. Thanks.

Christ Triumphant, by Thomas Allin
Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin

 

[Saint Steven]

I disagree that it means dead people as is a modern take and means spiritually dead. The problem is the idea of universalism didn't come around till Scripture aloe became a thing. Universalism is not an real Christian position

@hedrick provided this helpful link earlier.

http://cdn.theologicalstudies.net/52/52.2/52.2.2.pdf